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Offline Oregon_Flyer

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How to Paint show & tell by the experts
« on: May 15, 2006, 08:32:56 PM »
Robert,

I have been reading the posts located in the building tips section and came away with the feeling that I'm not the only one that would appreciate a detailed start to finish step by step lesson on painting.  I recognize the monumental effort it would take, however I am certain that the members reviewing this type of post would far and away beat all other posts.  I have emailed you, Bill Little, Randy Powell and others in an attempt to get a good feel for turning out a plane I can be proud to claim.  I have had some success but I am hoping that a collaboration of seasoned been there done that builders such as yourself and Randy Powell [yep you too Mr. Little] would provide a reference post that we could refer to for years to come.  Is it ready for paint yet?  Choosing a primer.  When to sand and which grits.  Picking colors that work together.  When to mask and the tapes to use.  Getting that tape off and when.  Off-gassing, what it is and the proper cure estimates.  I am sure I have committed over kill but just wanted to request some areas I feel we all could use advice on, or at the very least some reference about.  Oh yes, maybe task someone to do a post on spray guns and perhaps rank them?

Marv

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Re: How to Paint show & tell by the experts
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2006, 09:16:55 PM »
When I am ready to paint the USA-1X I will post a step by step paint series. It will be in about 2 weeks.
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Re: How to Paint show & tell by the experts
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2006, 10:27:26 PM »
Sparky,

 if you send me the pictures(in a #'d order) I can/will make a movie slideshow for you to post here on your forum..  same as with the others
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Re: How to Paint show & tell by the experts
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2006, 10:30:20 PM »
Will do  y1
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Re: How to Paint show & tell by the experts
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2006, 07:53:30 AM »
Robert, Walter

I'm grinning from ear to ear as I read your responses because this is the real meat and potatoes of our forum.  I can understand the why you will do it, kinda.  But that will never take away the wonder of the willingness to help strangers albeit members of this forum. 
I need a way to speed up the days til this endeavor is posted.
Walter, Admiral, Thank You

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Re: How to Paint show & tell by the experts
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2006, 09:00:49 AM »
Couple good articles on the Tulsa Gluedobbers site..

http://www.tulsacl.com/WorkShop.html

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Re: How to Paint show & tell by the experts
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2006, 09:19:14 AM »
Some really good stuff there!
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Re: How to Paint show & tell by the experts
« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2006, 02:20:07 PM »
Robert, Walter

I'm grinning from ear to ear as I read your responses because this is the real meat and potatoes of our forum.  I can understand the why you will do it, kinda.  But that will never take away the wonder of the willingness to help strangers albeit members of this forum. 
I need a way to speed up the days till this endeavor is posted.
Walter, Admiral, Thank You

Marv

The reason I do it is the same reason I played Santa Clause one year (albeit a skinny one.) Someone did it for me. Had there been the Internet when I was a kid Imagen how much better I would be now.
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Re: How to Paint show & tell by the experts
« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2006, 02:31:10 PM »
Marv,

I plan to write something for Stunt News when I have a consistent finish methodology. My problem is, I always want to try out new stuff. New materials, paints, fillers, taping methods and colors. What ever. I'll find a stepwise procedure that works fine, but want to try something different. Maybe lighter or that has fewer steps. Sometimes it works great, sometimes it's a disaster.

The new plane is a good case in point. It's the first plane I've built in 4 or 5 years that is a lacquer based paint from wood to clearcoat. Haven't done that in a long time but I really wanted something that was utterly compatible and as far as process, it went great. Each system has it's own quirks and tricks. I plan to write something about using alternative methods to finish including various auto paints and even, yes, composite dope finishes using auto paint additives and tricks.

As far as color choices, it tends to be a matter of taste, I guess. I've seen a lot of planes that I really, really liked, but would never have chosen the colors used. If you get to the NW Regionals, take a look at Scott Urabe planes. The guy is a master painter. He choses some really wild colors schemes that I doubt I would have ever chosen. But they work. His Ninja is white, blue, lime green and orange with some odd trim colors. Sounds horrible, but the thing is drop dead gorgeous. Wish I could get him to write something about his finishing methods. Some of his water effects and accenting tricks are truly marvelous. High Art.

One comment on paint guns. As a professional painter I talked to recently pointed out, a better gun is a better gun.  Buying guns at Harbor Freight is fine and those guns can be made to work fine. Not great, but fine. I'm sure others will argue, but it will always be a case of making them work. Buying a high quality gun always makes the job easier and more precise.  My son made the same point recently. He was playing my guitar (an old - very old - Washburn). He likes the sound, but says there are some things he just can play on it that he plays easily on his very expensive Taylor. It's a case of higher quality is easier. I use a cheap Harbor Freight gun (1.8 needle) to shoot primer/fillercoat. Works OK. Takes a lot of work to get the paint atomized properly so it isn't shooting raindrops and often takes a lot of screwing around with pressure, mixture settings and such, often while shooting. A constant adjustment. I use a high end Binks gun to shoot color. Never a problem. Mix the paint as directed for viscosity, set the gun and shoot. Never had a lick of problem with it (until this recent plane, but that's another story).  Set it and shoot. It's just easier to use and the outcomes are spectacularly more consistent.

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Re: How to Paint show & tell by the experts
« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2006, 09:01:15 PM »
Randy,

Thanks Big Guy [even if you are a tad skinny  8)]  I guess I really did not explain the paint color issue very well.  Please bear in mind I'm a newbie to dope paints.  What I have learned so far is that some colors do not cover over other colors well and perhaps the painter needs to be aware of this dilemma and also what the pros do to overcome it.  I am so glad that this area of model building is going to receive some detailed coverage.  You can be assured that I thought long and hard about it but have read so many posts with so many providing input that I just wanted to put it out there and perhaps have a clear concise step by step reference starting with, yep it's ready for "silk" and primer so what do I buy?  and maybe back up a step and explain about the fill and prep that is an absolute must if you want it to look decent, (Marv decent, not Randy or Robert decent)  the reason I say this is I am not sure us novice painters have the experience to produce that quality on the first outing.  Having said that, if we had the nitty gritty step by step and the reasoning behind it, I think there would be a whole lot more interest in BOM than we have presently. 

Marv

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Re: How to Paint show & tell by the experts
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2006, 09:07:24 PM »
Robert,

I hear you loud and clear.  Sure hope I can follow along some with regard to setting a good example.  We have all had to rub elbows with other crowds and from where I stand, none even approach the caliber of people that make up this sport.  Me, I'll take the skinny Santa Clause any day  j1
Just a word of encouragement - Hurry UP and make this happen for us.  Besides, I have a Urtnowski cardinal evolution that I want to paint right now  ;D


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Re: How to Paint show & tell by the experts
« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2006, 12:05:22 PM »
A few tips on how to set up the compressor and spray gun would be useful.     
« Last Edit: May 20, 2006, 10:39:39 AM by Gary Widmer »

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Re: How to Paint show & tell by the experts
« Reply #12 on: May 19, 2006, 01:22:51 PM »
For one plane, I'm not sure which one yet, I will be trying out the Rattle Can Auto paint method that Brad Walker talked about before he wrote that Auto Finish arcicle in Flying Models.  For another plane, I plan to use the Adamusko method, that he expoused when he was the Finishing article writer in Stunt News.  If you don't think Joe can paint check out his yellow Spitfire!  y1  <=

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