Author Topic: Brodak Spitfire MK XIV (Read 5253 times)

Leester · « **on:** February 15, 2007, 01:34:02 PM »

Does anybody have any information when they plan to release this kit ? Thanks

Randy Powell · « **Reply #1 on:** February 15, 2007, 09:36:04 PM »

Probably when Pat finishes the plans. Should be a fun plane.

Leester · « **Reply #2 on:** February 16, 2007, 01:28:15 AM »

Pat has completed them, there on his list and I've got them from him.

Gordon Tarbell · « **Reply #3 on:** February 16, 2007, 06:21:28 AM »

Is it a full built up fuselage or profile? What are the specs? WS Lgth eng etc.?

Geoff Goodworth · « **Reply #4 on:** February 16, 2007, 08:01:53 PM »

Pat has done a plan for a profile Spitfire Mk XVI. There might only be one character different in the Roman numerals, but the two Spitfire Marks are quite different.

Pat's Mk XVI is a profile with the high back fuselage and clipped wings. 54" span, 40" length, 558 sq inches, intended, I think, for Profile 40 competition.

Cheers, Geoff

Mark Scarborough · « **Reply #5 on:** February 16, 2007, 09:24:44 PM »

He also has a built up version drawn as well at least last time we talked he said he did?

Randy Powell · « **Reply #6 on:** February 16, 2007, 10:06:10 PM »

I thought you were talking about the built up version. He's working on a version the same general size as his Mustang. Talked to him today and he is still mostly working on it though it's close. I forgot about the profile version. That's completed.

Leester · « **Reply #7 on:** February 17, 2007, 03:50:17 PM »

The Spitfire I'm refering to is BRO CLP-75 which is the MK XIV. The fusalage shown is the built up Profile.
54" WS
40" Length
558 sq in

Sam Laughery · « **Reply #8 on:** February 17, 2007, 07:34:45 PM »

Pat did draw up a built up version of the spitfire MK XVI. He recently modified it to have a bubble canopy. I cut a prototype kit a month or so ago for John and he gave it to a friend of his to build for him. As most of you know John builds or in a couple of cases he has someone else build a prototype of every kit he produces. During the build numerous pictures are taken for the instruction book. The entire process takes quite a while. There will be an article in the next CLW that outlines the process called 'FROM THE DRAWING BOARD TO YOUR WORKBENCH'. I think that will give you a pretty good idea why it takes as long as it does to get a kit to market. There are actually 3 warbirds currently on the 'drawing board'. The Spitfire, Corsair, and Bearcat. At this time there are no estimates on when these kits will be available. All were designed by Pat and all 3 are going to be great kits. I'll post updates on this board as they become available.here are some specs

Spitfire Wingspan 54" Wing Area 558 sq in length 40"

Corsair Wingspan 55" Wing area 561 sq in Length 37"

Yes the Corsair will have the classic Corsair wing

The Original Mustang, Yak and All American will all be available in the next 2-3 months(estimate).

Sam

Leester · « **Reply #9 on:** February 17, 2007, 08:21:53 PM »

OK thanks Sam. One more Question: Is it the MK XVI or MK XIV ? My plans show MK XIV. Thanks

Sam Laughery · « **Reply #10 on:** February 17, 2007, 09:15:21 PM »

The one I have is the MK XVI and it's the built up body. We've gone through a couple of iterations. I'll check on some of the previous ones on Monday.

Sam

Richard Grogan · « **Reply #11 on:** February 17, 2007, 09:22:43 PM »

Quote from: Sam Laughery on February 17, 2007, 07:34:45 PM

Pat did draw up a built up version of the spitfire MK XVI. He recently modified it to have a bubble canopy. I cut a prototype kit a month or so ago for John and he gave it to a friend of his to build for him. As most of you know John builds or in a couple of cases he has someone else build a prototype of every kit he produces. During the build numerous pictures are taken for the instruction book. The entire process takes quite a while. There will be an article in the next CLW that outlines the process called 'FROM THE DRAWING BOARD TO YOUR WORKBENCH'. I think that will give you a pretty good idea why it takes as long as it does to get a kit to market. There are actually 3 warbirds currently on the 'drawing board'. The Spitfire, Corsair, and Bearcat. At this time there are no estimates on when these kits will be available. All were designed by Pat and all 3 are going to be great kits. I'll post updates on this board as they become available.here are some specs

Spitfire Wingspan 54" Wing Area 558 sq in length 40"

Corsair Wingspan 55" Wing area 561 sq in Length 37"

Yes the Corsair will have the classic Corsair wing

The Original Mustang, Yak and All American will all be available in the next 2-3 months(estimate).

Sam

Hi Sam,
Any idea of the Bearcat's specs? Will it be a full fuse or a profile?

This inquiring mind needs to know!

Richard

Sam Laughery · « **Reply #12 on:** February 18, 2007, 12:05:51 PM »

Hi Richard,

Sorry I don't have the Bearcat specs here at home. I'll check on it tomorrow and get back to you.

Sam

Sam Laughery · « **Reply #13 on:** February 19, 2007, 11:24:37 AM »

The Bearcat specs are as follows:

Wingspan 55"

Length 37"

Wing Area 562 Sq In

What do you think? Should it be profile or full bodied??

Leester · « **Reply #14 on:** February 19, 2007, 01:16:59 PM »

It would be nice if Brodak had a few full bodied War Birds.

Randy Powell · « **Reply #15 on:** February 19, 2007, 01:28:38 PM »

RSM sells the fuse fuse P-40 that Pat designed. I've flown his prototype and it's a killer flier. I think Eric also sells Pat's P-51 full fuse bird. Another very good flying plane.

Leester · « **Reply #16 on:** February 19, 2007, 01:36:20 PM »

RSM also has the Tony,Crusader,Stuka,Hurricane and Hawker Hunter. Brodak ZIP.

Randy Powell · « **Reply #17 on:** February 19, 2007, 01:39:49 PM »

Leester,

I was just thinking about Pat's designs. He's done a bunch of CAD stuff and designs for Brodak, but as you say, they are mostly profiles. As it turns out, Pat has usually done a full fuse versions first, then modified it and drawn it as a profile for Brodak. RSM has Pat's P-40, Mustang and will possibly do his Bearcat. Just more grist for the stunt flying mill.

Leester · « **Reply #18 on:** February 19, 2007, 01:55:05 PM »

Randy: The more the merrier. I know it's not Pats but I forgot the Mosquito RSM has also.

Richard Grogan · « **Reply #19 on:** February 19, 2007, 05:13:09 PM »

Quote from: Sam Laughery on February 19, 2007, 11:24:37 AM

The Bearcat specs are as follows:

Wingspan 55"

Length 37"

Wing Area 562 Sq In

What do you think? Should it be profile or full bodied??

Sam,
I'd buy a full fuse Bearcat in a heartbeat!

Randy Powell · « **Reply #20 on:** February 19, 2007, 05:46:39 PM »

Richard,

Pat's designed about 3 sizes of Bearcat. I have plans for the Big Bear (60 sized), but I don't think I have the smaller one. You could ask Pat.

Bill Little · « **Reply #21 on:** February 20, 2007, 02:08:54 AM »

Hi Sam,

A full fuselage bearcat gets my vote. The Profile Warbirds are nice, but a full fuselage woulf be great.

Bill <><

Rudy Taube · « **Reply #22 on:** February 25, 2007, 02:23:52 PM »

Quote from: Bill Little on February 20, 2007, 02:08:54 AM

Hi Sam,

A full fuselage bearcat gets my vote. The Profile Warbirds are nice, but a full fuselage would be great.

Bill <><

I agree with Bill. A full fuselage bearcat of this size would be very popular. It would make a perfect home for the many .40 to .51 engines (and AXI 2826/10 motors ;-) out there.

BTW: Where can I order Pat Johnson's plans? Does he have a web site? .... TIA

Bill Little · « **Reply #23 on:** February 25, 2007, 02:50:23 PM »

I just got Pat's plan for a full fuselage F-4-F Wildcat in the ST G51 range. About 630 sq.in. I do believe. It looks really good and I want to shove everything out of the way and build it! But I can't, just yet............

Bill <><

Steve Helmick · « **Reply #24 on:** February 25, 2007, 06:32:23 PM »

Here's Pat's Plans List and contact info. I 'spect there'd be at least 4-6 new plans since last August. FWIW, I'm pretty sure you could just ask Pat to print his plan to the wing area you want. You'd have to fuss with the balsa sizes a little, but you could get what you really want. The list explains what's what pretty well, but I wish we could have pictures of the models. I've seen some, but not all. Maybe Randy P. could provide some? The Epiphany, Mustangs, Bearcats, P-40's, GB Nobler and QED are what I've seen of Pat's. The .40 sized P-40 is awesome...great corners. He really raved on it with a .46LA, OBTW. Also, Jimmy Johnson (no T) gave me an old Pat Johnston "Stunt Trainer", a profile for .25's. PAMPA has the plans for that one, and you won't find them in Pat's list, below.

Steve

PAT’S PLANS LIST
Updated 8-4-06

1. Bearcat II- 710 inch, 60 engine. Larger version, similar to Al Rabe’s 46 sized stunter. Published in MA, March, 2000 by Pat Johnston, with latest updates and better wing. World class flier. 2-Sheets.
2. Epiphany- 707 inch, 60 engine. Beautiful, classic look with an elliptical wing. 2-Sheets.
3. Impact- 688 inch, tuned pipe setup by Paul Walker. ACAD version with a built up wing shown. 1-Sheet.
4. Flite Streek- 400 inch, 35 engine. George Aldrich design on ACAD. 1- sheet.
5. Hellcat- 700 inch, 60 engine. Similar to Bearcat above, by PSJ. 2-Sheets.
6. ME109- 560 inch, 40 engine. Actually Bf-109f-4b. Evolved from P40K kit by RSM. 1-Sheet.
7. P40K- 560 inch, 40 engine. Super flier. Kitted by RSM. PSJ design. 2-Sheets.
8. Sentimental Journey- 680 inch, 60 engine, by PSJ. The look of the Gee Bee 30’s air racers. 1-Sheet.
9. Sentimental Journey 500- 500 inch, 25-35 engine by PSJ. Profile. Perfect with an OS25FP. Single sheet.
10. Shark 402- 402 inches, 35 engine by PSJ. Profile killer flier. Perfect with OS25FP. Single sheet
11. The Chief- 595 inch, 35 engine. Bob Palmer’s old timer. Single sheet.
12. Cobra- 584 inch, 35 engine. Steve Wooley’s classic I-Beamer. 2-Sheets.
13. Nakke- 598 inch 35 engine. Removable wing details shown, Juhani Kari’s classic. Single sheet.
14. Clown- 200 inch, 15 engine. Copy of the PDQ kit. North West Circuit racing event. Single sheet
15. Shark 45- 690 inch, 45-60 engine. Lew McFarland’s classic. 2-Sheets.
16. Gee Bee R-2- 580 inch by PSJ, 45-51 engines, profile stunter. Published in MA, May 1996 2-Sheets.
17. P40K- 700 inch, 51-60 engine by PSJ. Pro stunt super competition, published in MA, Sept, 1999. 2-Sheets.
18. QED- 500 inch, 35-40 engine by PSJ, Profile Scale stunter. Great 30’s look from the Gee Bee era. Published in MA, 1997. Single sheet.
19. Quickie 500 race plane for R/C by PSJ. Great design developed over 15 years. Northwest winner. Single sheet.
20. Avanti 60- 665 inch, By Bob Barron, and presented by Tom Dixon. Bob’s last iteration. 1-Sheet.
21. Nobler parts sheet. The ones not shown on the plans. Ribs, and formers. 1-Sheet.
22. Stiletto XL- 660 inch, 45-60 engines. Les McDonald design. 1-Sheet.
23. Spitfire- 740 inch, 60 engine by Windy Urtnowski. Published in MA. 2-Sheets.
24. Seafire- 740 inch, 60 engine, by Windy Urtnowski. 2-Sheets.
25. Strega- 740 inch, 60 engine by Windy Urtnowski. 2-Sheets.
26. Tsunami- 740 inch, 60 engine by Windy Urtnowski. 2-Sheets.
27. Cardinal 40- 582 inch 40-45 engine, profile by Windy Urtnowski. Kitted by Brodak. 2-Sheets.
28. Zero- 713 inch 60 engine Semi scale. Good looking stunter by Pat Johnston. 2-Sheets.
29. Nobler- 540 inch ’57 green box version by George Aldrich Single sheet.
30. 1/2A combat- Hot 1/2A engines, 175 squares by Pat Johnston. 1-Sheet.
31. Chizler- 540 inch stunter based on the Nobler wing by Dick Mathis. Single sheet.
32. Thunderbird- 560 inch stunter by Bob Palmer- early and ‘59 version. 2-Sheets.
33. Smoothie- 540 inch stunter by Bob Palmer- Old Time legal. 2-Sheets.
34. Ringmaster Imperial- 600 inch classic kitted by Sterling. Single sheet
35. P40B profile- 560 inch by Pat Johnston. 2-Sheets.
36. Olympic VI- 560 inch by Bob Gialdini (Classic) 2-Sheets.
37. Charisma III- 620 incher, by PSJ, improved version of Tom Dixon’s Charisma II Single sheet.
38. Jamison Special- 507 inch Old Timer by Bud Jamison. Single sheet.
39. Valkyrie- 550 inch by Harold Price (Classic) Uses Crusader wing and tail. 2-Sheets.
40. Skylark- From Sterling kit by Ed Southwick. 35 or 46 sized versions, Classic. 2-Sheets.
41. P40K Mk II- 700 inch for Saito 4 stroke by Pat Johnston: more scale like than previous P40K. Removable wing. 2-Sheets.
42. Bygone Times- 700 inch 30’s looking stunter, radial engine, for Roy Trantham. 2-Sheets.
43. Wildcat- 700 inch WWII fighter. For Bill Hummel, great looking plane. 2-Sheets.
44. Ringmaster- For 25/35. Original “S1” version from Sterling, Shows all ribs. Single sheet.
45. Challenger HLG- By Roy Higgs of Canada, with notes from PSJ. 1-Sheet.
46. Ruffy- 540 inch classic by Lew McFarland, updated construction. 2-Sheets.
47. Dragon- 460 inch old timer by J.C. Yates. Single sheet.
48. Avanti 53- 610 inch version for 45-53’s based on the Bob Baron Avanti. Designed by PSJ. 1-Sheet.
49. Oriental- 537 inch by Dee Rice with Dee’s input and notes with modern trim accessories. Single sheet.
50. Magician- 480 inch by Jim Silhavy as kitted by Midwest with updates by PSJ. Single sheet.
51. Magician –407 inch original by Jim Silhavy (1950’s) before the kit Magician. Single sheet.
52. Cosmic Wind- from Goldberg. All new ACAD plans. Single sheet.
53. P40K-40 Mk II- 560 inch 40 sized version with removable wing. More scale-like than previous version. Deeper fuselage, dihedral. By PSJ. 2-Sheets.
54. P51D Mustang- 626 inch 46-53 size. Very scale-like with dihedral. Totally modern aerodynamics by PSJ. Really good looking. Top performance in a smaller package for the LA46 to the Magnum 53. 2-Sheets.
1. QED620- 631 inch for 46’s thru 53’s by PSJ. Close scale to the Gee Bee QED transcontinental race plane built in 1934. 2-sheets.
2. Shadow Cat- 724 inch for Saito 72 by PSJ. Bearcat II numbers. Real good looker based roughly on Russian aerobatic machines. 2-Sheets.
3. Mustang Profile- 565 inch for 35-46 engines. Built-up profile fuselage, dihedral; based on a smaller version of #54 Mustang in profile platform. 2-Sheets.
4. Spitfire Mk XVI Profile- 558 inch for 35-46 engines. Built-up profile fuselage, dihedral; similar to the Mustang Profile (#57). 2-Sheets.
5. Bearcat Profile- 562 inch for 35-46 engines. Built-up profile fuselage, dihedral; similar to Mustang Profile (#57). 2-Sheets.
6. Ringmaster Lite- Regular S-1 Sterling Ringmaster with all the tricks to build it under 25 ounces. 1-Sheet.
7. Corsair- 565 inch for 35-46 engines. Built-up profile fuselage, inverted gull wing; similar to Mustang Profile (#57). 2-Sheets.
8. Hughes H-1 racer- 608 squares for 46-53 power. Designed for Ian Creighton (England). Cool looking Howard Hughes race plane for the 30’s air racing era. Profile. 2-sheets.
9. Shark 35- 561 inch for 35-46 engines by Lew McFarland. Smaller version of famous Shark 45 with slightly better aerodynamics. 2-Sheets.
10. Bearcat classic by Al Rabe- 604 inches 2-sheets.
11. P47D- 684 inch for 70 4-stroke power. Designed for Thomas Case of Brazil. Low wing with dihedral, very scale-like.

All these plans are drawn on ACAD. Most all have the full set of ribs drawn out so the builder can individually cut the ribs accurately. Plans are $10 for double sheets. Only $8 for the single sheet plans. I pay postage.

My address is:
Pat Johnston
4675 N. Oxbow Pl.
Boise, ID 83713
pjohnston@idahopower.com

Steve Helmick · « **Reply #25 on:** February 25, 2007, 07:14:37 PM »

TY...nope. Whole different .25 profile! More or less...see ya soon in Tucson.

Steve

Bill Little · « **Reply #26 on:** February 25, 2007, 07:25:47 PM »

Pat will "change sizes" for you. That is a very good service for something that isn't readily availble, size wise. The plans I have are about 95% of the F-4-F Wildcat he designed for Bill Hummel. I plan on using my new T&L ST G51 in it.

After seeing the couple that Ron Burn did, I just love that little Stubby Fuselage Bird!

Bill <><

Rudy Taube · « **Reply #27 on:** February 25, 2007, 09:09:23 PM »

Hi Steve,

Thanks for the list of Pat's plans. Sparky's forum is amazing. Another nice person sent me Pat's plan list in a PM a short time after my request. .... You are correct, there have been a few more planes added. The last update was on 1-30-07.

As said here before: "so many planes, so little time"

Again, thank you for your help