Brodak Accentor

[Jim Roselle]

I re-kitted my Twister a while back and plan on replacing it with a Brodak Accentor, my first full fuselage ship. Is the Accentor eligible for OTS or anything I will disqualify myself for if change the canopy and turtledeck?

Thank you,

Jim

[Mark Scarborough]

IF you change anything cosmetic, or visible, it will no longer qualify for OTS or Classic,
it needs to externally appear to be the same as the original

[Steve Helmick]

The Accentor is a stretched/modernized Bob Palmer "Pow Wow", from what I've read. So, that being the case, it's only eligible for PA, not Classic, and certainly not OTS, Super 70 or N-30. Bash it as you wish.

I would probably suggest an Oriental, since it would be legit for both Classic and PA, or the Profile Oriental, which would also be eligible for Profile, perhaps an Original Nobler, or a Smoothie, either of which would be useful for OTS, Classic, N-30, and PA. However, trying to fly the OTS pattern and the Modern pattern is a fine way to plant a balsa tree.    Steve   

[Jim Roselle]

I would probably suggest an Oriental, since it would be legit for both Classic and PA, or the Profile Oriental, which would also be eligible for Profile, perhaps an Original Nobler, or a Smoothie, either of which would be useful for OTS, Classic, N-30, and PA.

I chose the Accentor because it's on sale for $64.99

[Robert Zambelli]

IF you change anything cosmetic, or visible, it will no longer qualify for OTS or Classic,
it needs to externally appear to be the same as the original

Sorry, Mark - not true.
I can quote quite a few examples if anyone is interested.

Bob Z.

[Ward Van Duzer]

I only have experience with one Accentor. It was one of John's earliest attempts at a control line kit and I found it was quite porky! While I was working in the business I had access to many C/L kits. May I suggest (if possible) you weigh each kit you are thinking about. For any given size (.35 - .40) you will be surprised at the weight variations. Yup, you want the light one.

Just a thought!

W.

[Gerald Arana]

Sorry, Mark - not true.
I can quote quite a few examples if anyone is interested.

Bob Z.

Hi Bob Z.,

Start quoting, we're all interested! 

Jerry

[Leester]

Hey Jim, Go for the Accentor at that price it's a steal but just remember that is a Die cut kit not laser. There is nothing wrong with Brodaks Die cut kits but there might be some crushed edges, but you can always fix or cut new pieces if needed and still be money ahead. I have another one and I'm planning on wing gear if I ever get around to it..lol

[Robert Zambelli]

Hi Bob Z.,

Start quoting, we're all interested! 

Jerry

OK, Jerry - here are a few:

My Icarus Jr - no canopy on the plans but I put one on. That's a cosmetic change. Also, I put on a fixed gear because a drop-off was shown on the plans. It's never been protested and has finished first a number of times.

A fellow flew a Nobler with wheel pants in classic at Huntersville. That's a pretty dramatic cosmetic change.

My Viking has an I-beam wing and 2 inches more span. Also, I shortened the nose by one inch to avoid adding tailweight. Many first place trophies, never protested, not even at VSC.

A fellow flew a Sterling Mustang at the Circle Burners event. Dihedral wing and wing-mounted gear. First place, zero protests.

A Nobler showed up at Brodaks with a beautifully done Argus type cowl. Cosmetic change, zero protests. I do not know how it placed.

A barnstormer flew in OTS at Circle Burners. It had solid flaps instead of built-up. Also had a bubble canopy instead of the original sewn version. Cosmetic changes, no protests. It won first in Advance OTS.

The original Stunt Rocket has a drop-off gear. Mine is fixed.

Probably a lot more but I can't think of any at the moment.

Bob Z.

[Motorman]

Will a Brodak 40 pull an Accentor?


MM

[Steve Helmick]

The OTS rules deal with the drop-off LG issue, so that's not a problem IF the fixed gear and wheels are located in the original place. The internal structure can be changed, but not the aerodynamics.

The Classic rules do not empower the CD/ED to DQ a model due to modifications, so in theory, you can do about anything you want. There may be some complaints from other Classic competitors IF the modifications are done to significantly improve performance. Folks put on flap warts and such, or convert to a bubble canopy, no problem. Reducing wing offset  is maybe borderline. Lengthening  the aft fuselage and enlarging the horizontal tail may result in you being locked into the Sani-Can. Changing wing or tail construction (from I-Beam to D-box or sheeted foam) apparently is (and was) common enough that it's not a big deal. Same for wing/fuselage mounted LG and wheel trousers, no problem. 

When in doubt, read the rules.  Steve

[john e. holliday]

Will a Brodak 40 pull an Accentor?


MM

Is that only engine you have?  I still have my Accentor that I built the kit around a Ro-Jett 40.  A lot more engine than a Brodak 40.  I used all kit wood and tried for a nice finish.  It is bigger than the Pow Wow it was patterned after.  I had the Pow Wow and was my first entry at my first VSC.    The Accentor does not qualify for any event other than Precision Aerobatics or sport flying.  Mine is pushing 60 ounces and I fly it on .018 X 65 cable.  Even at that weight I'm happy with it as the Ro-Jett has plenty of muscle with the Thunder Tigre 10.5 X 4.5 prop.  It flies well also with an 11 X 5 Power Prop or Master Air Screw 11 X 5 wood.    If you get the kit build it light, even if you have to replace some of the wood.   Pictures are over on Stuka Stunt some where thanks to Randy Gifford. 

Now if the Brodak 40 is what you have I would say go with the Oriental full fuselage kit.  Again build light and straight.  I still have the ARF version which flew great until it started coming apart.   Now this is for Classic events.

[Robert Zambelli]

Will a Brodak 40 pull an Accentor?


MM

MM - the Accentor will fly perfectly with the Brodak 40.

Bob Z.

[Jim Roselle]

I'll be powering mine with a LA .46

[Phil Spillman]

If your LA .46 runs as well as mine does you will be a most happy flyer! I put one of thesee gems in an authentic Veco Smoothie with skinny wing and pointy leading edges and it flies like a dream! I also have one in my Humongous and it too flies quite nicely! My engines(LA .46's) purr on 5%, 7.5% and 10%! they are dependable and repeatable all day long!

My most recent trip to the field, yesterday, I cranked up the Humongous and didn't touch the needle from last year just walked out to the center and flew a really fun OTS pattern! I was so pleased I considered using it in PA at next week's Jim Coll Memorial Contest but alas I didn't have enough duration to complete the PA pattern. It did perform all maneuvers well up to the start of the Clover. Pulled it around to land safely.

Phil Spillman

[Motorman]

 Good price for the kit. I've never seen die crushed balsa in any of the Bodak kits I've built. The Accentor has old school fuselage construction but I really like the look of it.  I'm looking at the 40 size engine so I can stay with smaller lines. I have a Tanager that flys surprisingly good.


MM

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[Randy Cuberly]

Good price for the kit. I've never seen die crushed balsa in any of the Bodak kits I've built. The Accentor has old school fuselage construction but I really like the look of it.  I'm looking at the 40 size engine so I can stay with smaller lines. I have a Tanager that flys surprisingly good.


MM

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Line size is not classified according to engine size anymore.   It's classified according to airplane weight.  I've had several 60 powered airplanes that use .015 lines.  Just build light!

Randy Cuberly

[Mick B]

I own an accentor with Irvine 36 on 60ft line and files great I also have tanager with mvvs 49 on 70ft lines.this is way too much power and I had bellcrank pull through ribs after a season, that was many years ago and I'm just returning to cl but both models are still as good as when I built them. Both tex covered as well.

[Mike Griffin]

This post about the Accentor was originally posted in 2016.  That same kit that was on sale for $64.00 is now $232.00. 

Mike