Author Topic: Brian Gardner LA .25 ABC Sets (Read 35364 times)

Brian Gardner · « **Reply #50 on:** June 25, 2016, 05:16:12 PM »

Production has to fit in around other work with the machinist. I can never be sure on delivery times. Often it is 6 months especially for large quantity runs like this one.

Quote from: Motorman on June 24, 2016, 09:52:11 AM

Any word on production, will we see them in time to fly this season?

Thanks,
MM

Randy Cuberly · « **Reply #51 on:** June 25, 2016, 06:02:18 PM »

Confirming for two sets. Do you want a deposit, Brian?

Randy Cuberly

Brian Gardner · « **Reply #52 on:** June 25, 2016, 08:54:37 PM »

You're on the list for 2 sets Randy.

I'd rather not take money yet due to the time delays we always have on my sets. I keep records of it all but I don't expect people to be out of pocket for 6 months etc.

Quote from: Randy Cuberly on June 25, 2016, 06:02:18 PM

Confirming for two sets. Do you want a deposit, Brian?

Randy Cuberly

Sean McEntee · « **Reply #53 on:** June 26, 2016, 07:55:52 AM »

Random question: can this guy make LA25 crankshafts...more specifically, reverse-turning ones?

Fredvon4 · « **Reply #54 on:** June 26, 2016, 11:47:56 AM »

Not being a smart guy brother Sean.. hit the e-mail link for Brian in Australia and ask him

I have many e-mails back and forth ref the Fox MK IV VI sets, and he is real good at communicating by e-mail

In my research on Brian here, I did not see any mention of doing crank shafts.... but sounds like (to me) he has the resources to do it

PS you still owe me a APO address...grin

Brian Gardner · « **Reply #55 on:** June 26, 2016, 06:15:45 PM »

Hey Sean. Can do cranks - if you want 15 of them.

Quote from: Sean McEntee on June 26, 2016, 07:55:52 AM

Random question: can this guy make LA25 crankshafts...more specifically, reverse-turning ones?

Sean McEntee · « **Reply #56 on:** June 27, 2016, 02:17:36 PM »

Interesting. In several conversations with dad, we talked about doing twins--one that comes to mind being Jack Sheeks's Mosquito--and power them with 2xOS25s, but with counter-rotating props. The big challenge is finding a left-handed crank.

How much for 15 of them, out of curiosity?

Brian Gardner · « **Reply #57 on:** June 27, 2016, 05:29:51 PM »

PM sent

Quote from: Sean McEntee on June 27, 2016, 02:17:36 PM

Interesting. In several conversations with dad, we talked about doing twins--one that comes to mind being Jack Sheeks's Mosquito--and power them with 2xOS25s, but with counter-rotating props. The big challenge is finding a left-handed crank.

How much for 15 of them, out of curiosity?

Brian Gardner · « **Reply #58 on:** July 19, 2016, 02:06:50 AM »

These should be ready in the next month. I'll be contacting everyone on the list for payment after you guys are finished with the nats.

Brian Gardner · « **Reply #59 on:** August 04, 2016, 10:44:41 PM »

OK fellas. These will be ready in a couple of weeks so I need to start chasing payment. I'll be sending PM's to everybody on the list in coming days.

Brian

Al Ferraro · « **Reply #60 on:** August 05, 2016, 07:10:17 AM »

Thanks Brian, Payment sent.
Al

Brian Gardner · « **Reply #61 on:** August 12, 2016, 07:44:02 AM »

I'd like to put out a heartfelt thankyou to all that have paid for their LA25 ABC sets a few weeks in advance.

As some of you know I live on a disability pension these days and do this to keep me occupied and feeling useful. Each production run I do does create a financial strain until paid for.

So thankyou fellas for your support and cooperation.

dave siegler · « **Reply #62 on:** August 12, 2016, 09:48:30 AM »

Brian,

Didn't see your instant message right away, just sent payment.

Fredvon4 · « **Reply #63 on:** August 26, 2016, 10:53:00 AM »

Brian shipped my 36x ABC set to me on 21 July and it took 25 days to get to me 15 Aug...so I think about 3 to 4 weeks may be typical

What I did notice was their international shipping /customs form is a bit more of a PITA to fill out by hand and the cost to Texas was $23 AUD...about 1/4 of the price Brian charged me for the set

I can't imagine Brian is hardly breaking even on these sets, and I am super impressed with the quality

I stuffed my 36x set into a NIB needle bearing version and used the never run factory version in a well worn one I got off e-bay

On the bench I have two nice running old Fox engines

All my current LA 25s are low run time so be a while before I ever use the BG LA 25 ABC set ---but looking forward to adding it to my engine specific repair parts stash

Brian Gardner · « **Reply #64 on:** September 01, 2016, 07:13:08 AM »

My humble apologies guys, these are ready to ship out but my dystonia has been totally screwing my productivity these last 2 weeks. I don't work on this stuff when I'm not lucid to prevent mistakes. Please be assured I will be shipping them all out asap.

Al Ferraro · « **Reply #65 on:** September 14, 2016, 11:27:01 AM »

I just received my order from Brain and these babies are nice. I cant wait to set up the engine, hoping to have it running by this weekend.
Thanks Brian, hope you are feeling better soon.
Al

Gerald Arana · « **Reply #66 on:** September 14, 2016, 02:34:22 PM »

Hi Brian,

My two sets came yesterday. Just opened them today, beautiful.

Now I just have to decide whether to put them in "new" engines or used ones!
Also got to get my plane done...............

Cheers, Jerry

Brian Gardner · « **Reply #67 on:** September 14, 2016, 06:33:10 PM »

Good to hear guys. Unfortunately I only got half of them posted before I ended up in hospital again. I'm home and my wife will take me to the post office today to get the rest sent.

Edit, All remaining sets that are paid for were posted by my wife today. I will send out tracking numbers shortly.

Al Ferraro · « **Reply #68 on:** October 02, 2016, 07:33:28 PM »

Today we put two Gardner ABC LA .25 into Battle and they ran Great! The engines had very little break-in, started right up and ran hard for over five minutes with no problems. The compression is excellent even after the combat match was over. The only problem I ran into was when I went to install the new piston and liner. I could not get the rod on the crank pin so I filed a small 45 degree angle on the bottom end of the crank pin when it was at TDC so I could slip the rod on the crank pin when the piston is at TDC.
Thanks Brian for taking on this project, the quality and fit of these parts are amazing!
Al

Brian Gardner · « **Reply #69 on:** October 02, 2016, 07:57:19 PM »

That's great Al. I'm really pleased they are going well for you.

Quote from: Al Ferraro on October 02, 2016, 07:33:28 PM

Today we put two Gardner ABC LA .25 into Battle and they ran Great! The engines had very little break-in, started right up and ran hard for over five minutes with no problems. The compression is excellent even after the combat match was over. The only problem I ran into was when I went to install the new piston and liner. I could not get the rod on the crank pin so I filed a small 45 degree angle on the bottom end of the crank pin when it was at TDC so I could slip the rod on the crank pin when the piston is at TDC.
Thanks Brian for taking on this project, the quality and fit of these parts are amazing!
Al

dave siegler · « **Reply #70 on:** October 02, 2016, 08:46:06 PM »

Mine have been stuck in custom for about 3 weeks now. How long did it take for all of you to get yours?

Brian Gardner · « **Reply #71 on:** October 03, 2016, 04:08:59 AM »

I just checked the tracking number Dave and it would appear to be in customs still. Wierd.

Quote from: dave siegler on October 02, 2016, 08:46:06 PM

Mine have been stuck in custom for about 3 weeks now. How long did it take for all of you to get yours?

Scott Richlen · « **Reply #72 on:** October 03, 2016, 06:30:30 AM »

I was watching the tracking number on mine and it got to New York and then just sat there for a while. But it arrived at my house last week. So, I guess you have to have patience. I suppose they are trying to figure out what it is and whether its worth stealing.

Fredvon4 · « **Reply #73 on:** October 03, 2016, 08:17:03 AM »

Mine to central Texas arrive just at 2 weeks after Brian gave me tracking number
Other sets I got took 3 weeks

BTW very nice parts
I got a spare rod and wrist pin from Omni on e-bay and put it all away for the day when one of my LS 25s needs a refresh of I acquire a worn out used engine

Gerald Arana · « **Reply #74 on:** October 03, 2016, 09:55:50 AM »

Quote from: dave siegler on October 02, 2016, 08:46:06 PM

Mine have been stuck in custom for about 3 weeks now. How long did it take for all of you to get yours?

Mine came a lot faster than I expected! And it runs great!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jerry

Fredvon4 · « **Reply #75 on:** October 03, 2016, 12:56:48 PM »

MM, YOU sir are NOT right!

Of course the .25 LA liner can be a fair guitar slide, but it will sound MUCH better with 10% nitro and a APC 9x4 prop sticking on the front of a BLUE case in front of a 25 OZ Pat Johnston Ring master

Jest sayin

Thanks Brain...great but of kit!

Al Ferraro · « **Reply #76 on:** August 13, 2018, 06:59:16 PM »

I put in the ABC unit and it seems I need 3 of the thinner Brian Gardener shims to make that number (but I only have one).

Thanks,
Motorman

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What head shims do you need, I might have something that will work.
Al

Al Ferraro · « **Reply #77 on:** August 19, 2018, 10:24:39 AM »

Quote from: Motorman on August 16, 2018, 08:39:52 PM

So, how much break in or flying time did you put in before you were happy with a consistent stunt run?
Motorman

Between Jim Vigani and I are using four LA25 with the Gardner kit in speed limit combat. The first one I put together I ran it 4 times on the ground wet 2 cycle on the bladder 2 oz at a time. The other engines I just ran them once on the ground and put it into battle on the same day. I use one head shim that Brain supplied on the stock head because I was twisting the plug elements with out it. I never had a problem with over heating and seizing up like the stock OS piston and liner did, plus I can hot restart it because the Gardner kit holds it compression. Last week Jim and I flew combat at Hershey Pa., it was hot and real humid out. The guys with the stock LA's were getting hot and going over lean it the air and had to set their needle real rich on the ground to get them to fly. I set my needle rich side on peek RPM and let it go. I am really happy with Brian's P&L kits, it turned a piece of S--t into a great engine. I had a friend who is a world competitor and engine expert look at the Gardner P&L kits and said they are team race quality. I would not lap in the engine, just run it with Powermaster GMA 10-22 fuel till its happy.
Al

Brian Gardner · « **Reply #78 on:** August 20, 2018, 12:57:39 AM »

The dimensions are as per stock and it is intended that you use the original OS shim. The supplied shim is provision for softening it a bit. Fits and tapers are matched to materials. It should be tight at tdc.

Al Ferraro · « **Reply #79 on:** October 17, 2023, 07:49:51 PM »

Hi Brian, there are a few guys asking me for your LA.25 piston and liners. They see how great my engines perform and would like to upgrade. Right now, I have 7 engines using them, 6 in speed limit combat and 1 in my Nobler. What numbers you need to do another run?
Thanks Al

Brian Gardner · « **Reply #80 on:** October 17, 2023, 09:59:29 PM »

Minimum of 20 sets - more would be better. I don't remember - did I include rods last time? Need to check if the drawings are still on file - been a long time.

Brian

Quote from: Al Ferraro on October 17, 2023, 07:49:51 PM

Hi Brian, there are a few guys asking me for your LA.25 piston and liners. They see how great my engines perform and would like to upgrade. Right now, I have 7 engines using them, 6 in speed limit combat and 1 in my Nobler. What numbers you need to do another run?
Thanks Al

Jay · « **Reply #81 on:** October 18, 2023, 08:12:54 AM »

RC Japan sells piston and liners for the LA 25 and 46. I know it's not ABC but I just ordered a set for my 25.
Total came to less than $30 including shipping
Just a FYI

Jay

Brian Gardner · « **Reply #82 on:** October 28, 2023, 11:12:05 PM »

Numbers are building for this, so I'll probably do them early next year.

I'm thinking about porting - I can do similar to what I did for the HP40. 2 slot style boost ports and a window in the piston to feed them. That way you can have the boost port functional in a LA. It won't be a big performance increase as the ports are only as "deep" as the liner thickness. Port timing would be as per original. So stunt suitability won't be altered either.

DO YOU GUYs WANT RODS?

Would that be legal for your speed limit combat?

Brian

Tom Luciano · « **Reply #83 on:** October 29, 2023, 11:41:44 AM »

Im in for 4 sets

Al Ferraro · « **Reply #84 on:** December 06, 2023, 08:24:25 AM »

Quote from: Brian Gardner on October 28, 2023, 11:12:05 PM

Numbers are building for this, so I'll probably do them early next year.

I'm thinking about porting - I can do similar to what I did for the HP40. 2 slot style boost ports and a window in the piston to feed them. That way you can have the boost port functional in a LA. It won't be a big performance increase as the ports are only as "deep" as the liner thickness. Port timing would be as per original. So stunt suitability won't be altered either.

DO YOU GUYs WANT RODS?

Would that be legal for your speed limit combat?

Brian

The boost port would be nice to try, but I would not take the chance of making a whole run of liners and then we might have engine run problems.
Put me down for 4 sets.
Al

Brian Gardner · « **Reply #85 on:** December 06, 2023, 06:52:23 PM »

That brings the tally to 16 so far.

Dave Rigotti · « **Reply #86 on:** December 06, 2023, 08:25:23 PM »

Asking for a friend. What's the count for the Fox 35 run as of now?

Quote from: Brian Gardner on December 06, 2023, 06:52:23 PM

That brings the tally to 16 so far.

Al Ferraro · « **Reply #87 on:** September 25, 2024, 09:52:26 PM »

Quote from: Brian Gardner on October 28, 2023, 11:12:05 PM

Numbers are building for this, so I'll probably do them early next year.

DO YOU GUYs WANT RODS?
Brian

Hi Brian, can you get these in production?
Al

kenneth cook · « **Reply #88 on:** September 26, 2024, 09:18:09 AM »

Al, is this a request for more of the LA .25 piston liners?

Dan McEntee · « **Reply #89 on:** September 26, 2024, 09:24:29 AM »

Quote from: kenneth cook on September 26, 2024, 09:18:09 AM

Al, is this a request for more of the LA .25 piston liners?

Yes, Brian just finished a run finished and has been shipping a the latest run of Fox .35 piston/liner sets with rods, and heads and stuffer back plates available also. OS .35-S P&L sets were just before that Fox sets. Contact Brian directly to see where he is at on his list of production. keep in mind that he does these for all kinds of engines and for several other disciplines, and that keeps him busy. You have to watch for postings here and in the different sections, and on FB if you can to keep up. They are well worth the wait.

Type at you later

Brian Gardner · « **Reply #90 on:** September 26, 2024, 06:42:10 PM »

Hi Al,

We only ever got to 16 orders on the waiting list.

Honestly I've not been able to keep up with all the requested production runs for the various engines

I guess I could go ahead and do a run of 20 sets. Surely the additional 4 will go easily enough.

I'll try to schedule them in somewhere. (I have ST51 and LA46 to get through next). My physical condition is deteriorating which is requiring more downtime. So apologies in advance that you will be waiting longer for these.

Brian

Quote from: Al Ferraro on September 25, 2024, 09:52:26 PM

Hi Brian, can you get these in production?
Al

Brian Gardner · « **Reply #91 on:** September 26, 2024, 06:49:20 PM »

Also, just scrolling back through the thread - you guys didn't confirm if you wanted Rods.

I prefer to supply with rods so I am sure of the fits with the piston/pin/and rod. I also fit the pins with the pistons heated to 60 C for better fits when running/hot which again makes it preferable to supply the rod as part of the kit.

Brian

Quote from: Al Ferraro on September 25, 2024, 09:52:26 PM

Hi Brian, can you get these in production?
Al

B Johanson · « **Reply #92 on:** September 26, 2024, 06:57:32 PM »

Hello Brian,
I would like 2 LA25 P/L sets.
Thanks,
Bill

Scott Richlen · « **Reply #93 on:** September 26, 2024, 07:29:48 PM »

Brian:

Did you supply them with rods last time? I ordered a set and have them stashed away here (someplace) so thought it would be easier to ask you than to look for them...

Brian Gardner · « **Reply #94 on:** September 26, 2024, 09:56:30 PM »

I don't remember.

Quote from: Scott Richlen on September 26, 2024, 07:29:48 PM

Brian:

Did you supply them with rods last time? I ordered a set and have them stashed away here (someplace) so thought it would be easier to ask you than to look for them...

Al Ferraro · « **Reply #95 on:** September 27, 2024, 05:42:11 PM »

Quote from: kenneth cook on September 26, 2024, 09:18:09 AM

Al, is this a request for more of the LA .25 piston liners?

Yes

Al Ferraro · « **Reply #96 on:** September 27, 2024, 05:47:28 PM »

Quote from: Brian Gardner on September 26, 2024, 09:56:30 PM

I don't remember.

You did not make new Rods. The stock rod and pin are holding up ok on my combat engines that have a lot of run time on them.
Al
PS: Boost me up to 6 sets, so make the 20 sets. I will cover up to 8 sets if you don't have enough takers.

Brian Gardner · « **Reply #97 on:** September 27, 2024, 06:29:17 PM »

Copy that - I won't worry about rods - but I will do pins to ensure correct fits in the pistons.

Brian

Quote from: Al Ferraro on September 27, 2024, 05:47:28 PM

You did not make new Rods. The stock rod and pin are holding up ok on my combat engines that have a lot of run time on them.
Al
PS: Boost me up to 6 sets, so make the 20 sets. I will cover up to 8 sets if you don't have enough takers.

Motorman · « **Reply #98 on:** September 27, 2024, 06:32:09 PM »

Something that wears out faster than the rod is the nylon pads on the wrist pin and if they go it's not good for the sleeve. The ABC lives so much longer between re-builds it would be nice to have an extra set of pads to put in after x amount of run time.

MM

Brian Gardner · « **Reply #99 on:** September 27, 2024, 06:38:35 PM »

OK - that's not a problem to include an pair of extra pads with each set.

Or would you guys prefer me to circlip them?

Quote from: Motorman on September 27, 2024, 06:32:09 PM

Something that wears out faster than the rod is the nylon pads on the wrist pin and if they go it's not good for the sleeve. The ABC lives so much longer between re-builds it would be nice to have an extra set of pads to put in after x amount of run time.

MM