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Offline Clint Ormosen

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My somewhat changed opinion on ARF's
« on: July 14, 2008, 12:04:38 AM »
When ARF's/ARC's first started showing up, I absolutely hated them. After a few years, I broke down and bought an ARF Streak just to see what all the fuss was about. Gotta admit, it was a fun sport plane. But that's all it was, a sport plane. Just recently, a long time friend of mine, Rob, expressed a little interest in the hobby. So, I took him out flying, taking the ARF Streak with us. With a little help at first, he managed to fly out the tank several times and now is already looping and doing eights. He has more or less taken ownership of the plane, which is fine.
 But there is more to the story. Durring our first outing, we were spotted by another young R/C modeler. He stopped to watch and ask questions and such. He stayed for better than an hour until we finished. I didn't have anything for him to fly. (if he had crashed the Streak, then Rob would have been "planeless".) Anyway, he said it looked really cool and wanted to give it a whirl sometime.
 Next day I stopped by the LHS to pickup something and BS a little. In walks the kid, his name is Harley, and asks to order one Flite Streak and an engine. I told the shop owner which engine to get him (OS LA25) and he plunked down the cash for both items and then we talked for a while. Keep in mind that at this point, Harley had not even held a handle yet. But since the Streak came with everything needed to finish it (including a gas tank) for 55 bucks, he figured it was worth a try.
Turns out he, like Rob, are naturals. Harley is already flying by himself. Rob is learning stunts and has already started building a new plane. I feel like a proud papa!
 So, in cases like these, the ARF has turned out to be a useful tool to get a couple more pilots in the air. I still couldn't bring myself to compete with one. But, it turns out the ARF isn't all bad. Dammit!
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Re: My somewhat changed opinion on ARF's
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2008, 06:32:43 AM »
Yup, it is what people have been saying all along.

Kind of like training wheels.

Way to go proud papa.


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Re: My somewhat changed opinion on ARF's
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2008, 07:00:42 AM »
Clint, takes a man to step up and admit something like you did. Myself and others have been saying all along that ARF's are a good thing but some still view them like you did at first. Eventually I hope more will understand that they do have a usefull place in our hobby.

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Re: My somewhat changed opinion on ARF's
« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2008, 07:05:12 AM »
They have a great use in the hobby but have no use at at the NATS. JR/SR/OPEN
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Re: My somewhat changed opinion on ARF's
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2008, 07:09:14 AM »
Hey Clint,

Ain't it great to be wrong sometimes??   :o

As one who had not flown CL for 40+ years, the ARF's got me going again with little pain and lots of gain.

Also, I am using them to teach myself how to use silkspan and dope all over again.

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Re: My somewhat changed opinion on ARF's
« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2008, 08:38:36 AM »
They have a great use in the hobby but have no use at at the NATS. JR/SR/OPEN

I predict, someday that too will change or it will die. Not starting an arguement just a prediction..

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Re: My somewhat changed opinion on ARF's
« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2008, 10:17:13 AM »
They have a great use in the hobby but have no use at at the NATS. JR/SR/OPEN

I would agree that to you it is a true statement. To others I would "respectfully" disagree. But time will tell.

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Re: My somewhat changed opinion on ARF's
« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2008, 10:38:55 AM »
Ok there, Bob and Alan. Don't turn my positive post into an "ARF's at the NATS" debate. I was just posting about something good about the hobby.

And Sparky, I know that this is your forum, but that goes for you too. ;)
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Re: My somewhat changed opinion on ARF's
« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2008, 10:43:58 AM »
Hey Clint,

Ain't it great to be wrong sometimes??   :o


Cheers,
Jim

I'm not sure Jim. It's never happened before! ;D
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Re: My somewhat changed opinion on ARF's
« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2008, 11:39:36 AM »
Ok there, Bob and Alan. Don't turn my positive post into an "ARF's at the NATS" debate. I was just posting about something good about the hobby.

And Sparky, I know that this is your forum, but that goes for you too. ;)

I'm really not trying to start anything.. I completely agree with Sparky "Today".. I'm just predicting it WILL change.


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Re: My somewhat changed opinion on ARF's
« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2008, 12:28:39 PM »
I'm with Clint. I've always thought that ARFs were a great idea. It gets people back into (or just into) the hobby relatively painlessly. A great introduction to flying without having to build something.

I also agree that they will ultimately take over and you will see less and less pilot built aircraft. Takes a lot of work and time to learn to build well and truth is, most folks don't want to learn the skills or take the time or just don't like building. I suspect that there will always be some pilot built planes since there will always be some that want to learn to do it themselves, but it will eventually be much less then it is.

I went out to our local RC field yesterday (something I do every once in awhile). I found it interesting, as I usually do. There were about 15 guys out there shooting the breeze and some actually flying. Not a pilot built plane in the bunch, every one was an ARF. I found it instructive when a guy had to land a plane in the grass on the belly because the gear wouldn't come down. When he got the plane back to his car, he put it away saying he would have to take it to the hobby shop so the "plane guy there" could figure out what's wrong. I was amazed that the guy wouldn't even take a look at it. It was pretty clear that he had zero idea of how it worked. I've seen this a lot at this field. There are a couple of guys that have some knowlege of planes, but the vast majority of guys in that club really have no idea. Just listening to them and the mis-information that floats around is amazing. But hey, they seem to enjoy themselves and that's what counts, I guess.
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Re: My somewhat changed opinion on ARF's
« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2008, 12:48:10 PM »
They have a great use in the hobby but have no use at at the NATS. JR/SR/OPEN

Huh,,,,???

I couldnt help but notice this post.  In the rules thread you said we should quit messing around and go with FAI rules. 

They have no BOM so ARF RTF or whatever can enter.

I cant follow where you stand.

BTW, excellent job at the Nats with the Cont XL.  Very nicely done!

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Re: My somewhat changed opinion on ARF's
« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2008, 04:37:28 AM »
ARF's are flying at the NATS.  Just look at Beginner and Intermediate.  DOC Holliday
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Re: My somewhat changed opinion on ARF's
« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2008, 11:38:52 AM »
Has anyone said that ARF's  are a good competition plane and the more they are used in competition the more the Manufactures will improve these planes or has most everyone decidided they are junk. I have seen some that were basicly junk an they also flew very well but the nose fell off. I think the designers should put a little more thought into each ARF that is designed and we would have a better product. I like the ARF flight streak but again the one that is built from a kit is better for a number of reasons. In some ways our controline traditon gets in the way of thinking modern. Just my opinion.

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Re: My somewhat changed opinion on ARF's
« Reply #14 on: July 15, 2008, 03:44:57 PM »
They have a great use in the hobby but have no use at at the NATS. JR/SR/OPEN

I am flying a ARC Strega in advanced stunt at the NATS this week. It is doing just fine.


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