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General control line discussion => Open Forum => Topic started by: RandySmith on September 24, 2007, 03:51:33 PM
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Hello All
The Holeshot Profile quick start plan many of you have read about in Model Aviation is now ready for shipping
Plans are 12.95 plus $5.95 S&H shipped rolled in a priority mail tube Domestic mail.
Please contact Randy Smith at Aero Products for info and details www.aeroproduct.net
678/407/9376 Randyaero@msn.com
Regards
Randy
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Hi Randy....
Are the cores available through you as well?
Thanks
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Hi Randy....
Are the cores available through you as well?
Thanks
Hi Rich
Yes the plane can be built foam or wood ribs wing. The foam cores are 34.95 with spars, plus S&h
I also have other parts such as bellcranks the 1 3\4 inch spinner and etc if needed
Regards
Randy
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Randy, can you give some more details, size, engine, etc...... Thanks Keith
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Randy, can you give some more details, size, engine, etc...... Thanks Keith
Hi Keith,
From what I remember, This was one of Robby's first planes. And I *think* it was powered with either an Enya 25SS or the Webra 28, or both! :D
Seems it was a stylized slow combat plane from someone that Bob and Robby reworked.
Maybe not quite Twister size?? The plane just before the RD-1
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Randy, can you give some more details, size, engine, etc...... Thanks Keith
HI Keith
I do not have aspect ratios, area , percentages or that type of detail
But the plane is as you see it it is for many motors such as
FP-25
Brodak 25
LA 25
Webra 28
OS 28
Magnum 28 32 36
FOX 35 or 25
The original was flown with a 25 and that used a 10 x 4 prop this is what Bob Designed it for.
An LA 25 would be good , but you can use any light 25 to 36 motor.
It uses my 1 3\4 in NN Aero spinner with 2 inch light wheels
The moments are 6 1\4 nose .. 14 1\4 tail
The span is 42.5 and the fuse is 32 1\2 inches long
This can be built with wood ribs or I have foam cores for it
I hope this answers some of your questions
Regards
Randy
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Thanks for the info Randy. I will have to put the order in soon.
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Hello All
The Holeshot Profile quick start plan many of you have read about in Model Aviation is now ready for shipping
Hi Randy!
Do you remember which MA that it was in? I've been digging around trying to find a shot of it to see what it looks like.
Thanks!
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Hi Randy!
Do you remember which MA that it was in? I've been digging around trying to find a shot of it to see what it looks like.
Thanks!
Hi Richard
Bob Talked about it in last months issue, if you want to see what it looks like just go up to the top of this thread and click on the picture I posted of the profile
Regards
Randy
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I remember reading about this plane. The plan was to take a beginner from nothing to a model in the air.
This looks like a great plane for a beginner. Simple and straight forward construction.
However, if a beginner, a real brand new to the sport beginner, is looking to get in the air a TF Tutor or SIG Primary Force or one of the many Brodak ARFs is the way to go. If the customer is looking at options I would wager they go with the off the shelf pre-built rig.
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I remember reading about this plane. The plan was to take a beginner from nothing to a model in the air.
This looks like a great plane for a beginner. Simple and straight forward construction.
However, if a beginner, a real brand new to the sport beginner, is looking to get in the air a TF Tutor or SIG Primary Force or one of the many Brodak ARFs is the way to go. If the customer is looking at options I would wager they go with the off the shelf pre-built rig.
I think you could be right in the present time, Doug.
Bob drew that up for Robby back in the late '80s or early '90s. Nothing much was available then, as you know. Aaron talked a bit with Robby about that plane and the RD-1 back in the day. IIRC, it was based on someone's slow combat plane...... ???
It is easier now to get a Primary Force or Flight Streak to tear up first, but the Hole Shot would be a great first building project for an up and coming stunt pilot. Easy build, very good performance, and it would really allow a pilot to work on trimming and all the other things that go into flying CLPA, don't you think?
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Is this a flapless design?
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Do you have any pics. of a finished model, looks good on plan, would like to see more. Thanks
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I think you could be right in the present time, Doug.
Bob drew that up for Robby back in the late '80s or early '90s. Nothing much was available then, as you know. Aaron talked a bit with Robby about that plane and the RD-1 back in the day. IIRC, it was based on someone's slow combat plane...... ???
It is easier now to get a Primary Force or Flight Streak to tear up first, but the Hole Shot would be a great first building project for an up and coming stunt pilot. Easy build, very good performance, and it would really allow a pilot to work on trimming and all the other things that go into flying CLPA, don't you think?
This is a great model for someone at the beginner level. No doubt about that.
But IIRC Bob's article was about getting someone into CL. So the reader gets the plan. Goes to hobby shop to get the wood. Hobby shop salesman, says, we have the wood you need. BUT if you want to get in the air quickly here is a nice RC park flyer to wet your appetite. It costs about $80 and you will be in the air in 3 hours tops. It comes with an instructional video as well.
That is what this is up against. That is where I was coming from when I made the comments about where to start.
It is my opinion that plan building is not the way to start.
A new guy could get a Tutor and be in the air in a couple of days of work. He is quickly being introduced to CL and the engines and lines and all of it. Sure he will crash it and if he is truly interested he will repair it and try again. If the flying takes hold the building will follow. Or maybe not. Maybe stick with ARFs but the choice is out there. I remember when I started, flying was all I ever wanted to do. The building and the want to build came later.
I just feel the ARFs are there and they sure could be used in this manner to get people interested.
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The Primary force is an ARF already. I haven't heard much about it but I kept seeing it in the catalogues.
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H Dug,
I agreed with you. A true "beginner" would probably go with one of the ARFs I mentioned. I was referring more to the time you refer to *after* they have done some flying (maybe crashing! LOL!!) and have decided that they would like to build a plane and get *more serious*.
And it IS a good point about the Hobby Shop salesman and the ARF park flier. A real situation that can take away from getting new C/L pilots.
It does seem that most guys entering the hobby (whether C/L or R/C) are much older than guys like me who started as teenagers (even preteen) and had to build their planes regardless of whether it was c/l or r/c. The lure of getting into the air quickly is definitely there, and understood.
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I guess Hunt's other point was to have a construction article. It wouldn't be much of an article if he said: Go buy a Primary Force and glue it together..... S?P
Obviously, the ARF's have it when it comes to trainer planes to smash into poles errr the ground! VD~
Steve
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I guess Hunt's other point was to have a construction article. It wouldn't be much of an article if he said: Go buy a Primary Force and glue it together..... S?P
Obviously, the ARF's have it when it comes to trainer planes to smash into poles errr the ground! VD~
Steve
HI Steve
You are correct, this is intended to be a construction article, many will pick up very good building hints and techniques from this article, and will end up with a great flying profile model too!
Regards
Randy
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I see nothing wrong with picking up a Primary Force or Flight Streak or whatever to learn to fly on and smash and rebuild, ad nausium until you can fly mostly without crashing. But as a first building project, this looks like a very good one. Easy to build and a credible performer. Can't get much better than that.
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I guess Hunt's other point was to have a construction article. It wouldn't be much of an article if he said: Go buy a Primary Force and glue it together..... S?P
Obviously, the ARF's have it when it comes to trainer planes to smash into poles errr the ground!
Steve
HAHAHHAHAAHAHAAHAHAA Watch it!! I will talk to the poles in your area, it is amazing how quickly they can jump out and get ya!! LL~ LL~ LL~
Heck Maybe I will build this one along with the article. I will use my FP 25 and it will kill!!
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Hey Doug - Post? We don't need no stinkin post! I hear the ARFs are also good for chasing BIRDS around your circle. >:D
S?P
Next time the starlings, barnswallows, bat's, etc invade your circle, whip out an ARF and put on nice sharp propellor.... bwa hahhahhahhaaahhahhaa.. come here little birdy...Bwaahahhaahha.. VD~ VD~ VD~ VD~
EricV
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Eric,
To heck that! Next time the birds come around I need to just whip out the 12 gauge and show them a thing or tow. Also we need to get load of diesel fuel on the trees near by the field and fire up their homes and rid them once and for all!!!!!!! VD~ VD~ VD~ VD~ VD~
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Eric,
To heck that! Next time the birds come around I need to just whip out the 12 gauge and show them a thing or tow. Also we need to get load of diesel fuel on the trees near by the field and fire up their homes and rid them once and for all!!!!!!! VD~ VD~ VD~ VD~ VD~
Its a good thing we don't have any environmentalist wackos in CL Stunt boards. Your solution to the bird's nests sounds more like the opening credits scene in Apocalypse Now! VD~
Its too bad I gave away my FP-25 and LA-25s, maybe I'd play along with the article too. Then again, I already have a heap of profiles sitting around, and no poles to crash into! y1
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I repeat, is this flapless design? I cannot tell from the pic.
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I repeat, is this flapless design? I cannot tell from the pic.
Hey Randy, Can you post a scan of the wing shape?
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Hi all:
Yes, this is a very basic, flapless, constant chord model that was originally designed to teach new fliers to get through the pattern for the first time. It is not in any way an advanced design model. Essentially it is a very modified Dick Mathis Mongoose, which was a slow combat design from the 1970s.
My thoughts in presenting it in my new Model Aviation Stunt column were to introduce potential stunt fliers to both rudimentary building and flying skills at the same time. I know that there are many very good ARF and even some RTF models out there, and if a newbie wants to learn via that route, that's fine. I will always be an advocate of teaching building and flying skills at the same time. To me at least half of this hobby/sport is about building.
Bob Hunt
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Bob,
I am sure my comments came across wrong. But I didnt mean for it to seem that way.
I would like to commend you on taking on the project of working an article like this into the column. It is more than I am doing right? I like the MA layout as well. I think that is a good modeling magazine.
Can Gotcha 440 cores be substitute for the wing on the plan? The gotcha core has a straight LE and swept forward TE. They are dirt cheap at the LHS here. I got enough scrap laying around to build it for essentially nothing.
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I repeat, is this flapless design? I cannot tell from the pic.
Hi
Yes this is a flapless design that has squared tips, I do not have a picture of it, but it is a basis square wing and you can see the fuse shape
Randy
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Hi all:
Yes, this is a very basic, flapless, constant chord model that was originally designed to teach new fliers to get through the pattern for the first time. It is not in any way an advanced design model. Essentially it is a very modified Dick Mathis Mongoose, which was a slow combat design from the 1970s.
Bob Hunt
Thanks Bob. I am familiar with the Mongoose wing, it was my first scratch build in the 70s. I bet its a great flyer.