Mark, leave it in primer and do not sand it. You will only find things that are wrong. Let my experience (ha) guide you. Seems as soon as you sand off the primer/filler, all kinds of dings and things pop up. LL~WELL I think the primer is finally gassed off LOL HB~>
Actually it looks great. Would love to see it live.
Really Mark, I know patience makes for master peices, but really three years? And I thought I was slow. But, I am getting old. LL~ LL~ LL~Doc,, thanks SO SO much for the emotional support, your a real pal,,,,,,,, :'(
Just get into the zone, Mark. That would be the sanding zone.yess,,,
not to many 109s,,, earlier on in the thread I posted a pic of the paint scheme I am using,, with a few tweaks.Am I missing something? I cannot find a picture of a paint scheme.
I certainly wont be ignoring anything, but its one of those,, do I go backwards, or just live with it. Weight looks really decent,, so I dont want to compromise that,, and just between you and me,, the camo paint job will likely mask some of the things that are bothering me. I also think that if it isnt as nice as the avenger,, I will be a bit more brave with it LOL, in other words, maybe I can get below my 8 foot manuever ceiling LOL,,Paint it International Orange and yellow. Then every time you're in the downward leg of a square maneuver you can think about how much better it'd look in tiny little bits. That'll help you get closer to the ground.
Ok just for Wayne,, cause I know he doesnt beleive me,,
here is proof,, the picture was taken today,,
Ok working on this again realyly shows me how far my building has come, there are some real ,, shall we say issues that I would have never covered today, but experience teaches,, so, maybe the next one will be better,
my goal is to finish and fly the thing with minimal fuss from this point,, and just live with some of the things,,
as Randy likes to say, a paint job is never finished, only abandoned,,
at least I am pretty sure it will be a reasonable weight,, and look good in pictures,, LOL
Mark,
Listen closely! Hit it with another coat of primer, sand well, paint and fly! 6 months from now you will not notice any little flaws and you will have the plane trimmed pretty good. A point to remember is that they are not all going to be 20 pointers.
BIG Bear
RNMM/AMM
yeah but,, but,,, sigh, I know,, LOL
and I need to fly closer to the ground, maybe a less perfect paint job,, sigh
Hey when I flew Steve's Kiss twister, I didnt bounce my bottoms nearly as much, do you think that could be cause it was HIS airplane,instead of the Avenger? lolAs I am sure you have been told, flying a gorgeous model like your avenger is NOT the way to learn bottoms and such. ;D
Mark,
6 months from now you will not notice any little flaws and you will have the plane trimmed pretty good.
BIG Bear
RNMM/AMM
Well the parts for the exhaust stack got here last night, they turned out better than expected by far! Thanks Pat!!! H^^Not too bad there Mark!! It makes me almost want to build another Spitfire so this central-cal bloke can get'cha with....Nice job so far!
Here is a picture of them, they are cut from 1/16" ply, there are three parts that make up the center core with another part that closes off the stack opening. Then there is a spacer outside that, then the "shields" that go outside that. also attached a snap of what the actual stack looks like. It looks like with minimal sanding to round the exterior, these will make a very presentable stack simulation,, I am jazzed up now!!!
It does make a difference when flying a gorgeous plane that has hours in the construction and finish. Flew what I thought was one of the best patterns I had ever flown with the Primary Force one year. In fact a well known person that has judged at contests thought I had a great pattern. Said they had never seen me fly that well. I felt great myself after I had finished the clover and was waiting for fuel to run out. Then I seen my score sheet. That is when I said it aint worth the effort as the next round I did not hit any bottoms or inter sections. In fact I was all over the place. In fact the person that thought I had such a first round asked me what was wrong. I told her I was just having fun and did not care about winning anymore. Second round score was over a 100 points better than first.
Now Mark since I hijacked your thread, I am waiting on pictures of where the plane is at in construction. H^^
Mark,
Where are you putting the battery in the full fuselage version?
Paul
pictures to follow,, if you want to see what I did to hack this into an electric please let me know,, its ,, well, its not for the faint of heart LOL
Well Mark, let's check it out. Can't look any worse than boring a model full of lightening holes! ;Dfunny you should mention that,, the first step
He's baaaackk!
An electrified 109. Maybe a little speaker and you can use recorded engine noises.
Hey when I flew Steve's Kiss twister, I didnt bounce my bottoms nearly as much, do you think that could be cause it was HIS airplane,instead of the Avenger? lol
Apparently, flying the "KISS!" got Tim's bottoms down. At least one of them, once upon a time. VD~
I am still hoping that he learned to set the engine with the tacho every flight, because it matters. I'm not sure why different engines or setups are like that, but some need it, and some don't. I suspect it has something to do with marginal vs. abundance of "power". :-\ Steve
I learned it matters with the engine on the KISS, and the Tower 40 that I'm running now (on two different planes, by an odd circumstance).
I also learned that to trim an airplane so I like it I need to convince Steve Helmick that it belongs to him long enough for him to trim it, then take it back. I just haven't figured out how to do that yet.
I was going to start a new plane today, but Mike called and needed me to 'launch' his new eProfile for a few flights. No purchase price was mentioned, thankfully. H^^ Steve
"I just need a darn airplane I can fly locally,, off grass, so I can actually practice,, the 109 will hopefully fill that bill,,,"Steve, Sienna is not a fan of dog biscuits,, the Barristas at the coffee shops know her, they always give her a coffee lid with a healthy dollop of whip cream,,,,,
Wouldn't one of those P-40 proviles (sic) work for that, especially if you convert it to a P-40E? P-40E, get it?
Sienna (sp?) looks well in that one picture. I'd like to get my ankles nipped again this season. I made good friends with a Jack Russell last year at Fall Fallies. A weiner dog should be easier! I'll put in an extra box of dog biscuits. LL~ Steve
Mark,thank you,, its been a work in progress
Your 109 is shapping up good. Really good!
OK, Epoxy hides grain forever without silk or glass cloth?no it does not, it provides a base which will not shrink into the grain onto which you can prime or otherwise fill the grain. and the blower inlet scoop has a layer of .5 ounce cloth on it since its balsa. The ply for the stacks has only epoxy,
Ya gotta love those Warbird detail extras. Tedious but fun and you can't beat the looks.well if you note, there are a LOT of details I am not including, this is a precision aerobatics model which is trying to look like a bf 109 so details are not the focus. I am providing enough details to "sell " the design and no more. The air cooler scoops on the bottom of the wings, not included, the wheel tubs on top of the wings, not provided, ( they would corropt the airflow and function of the wing compromising the performance goal) the gun troughs in the top of the nose not provided( they would weaken a critical load carrying portion of the nose) The gun breech blisters not included ( weight) its a balancing act, all of it is but the GOAL is for this airframe to perform first, and look cool second
Did you mention the span of this model?yes I did
Can't wait to see your 109 detailed and finished.thanks again, and yes I did, if you look earlier in this thread,, like 10 or 15 posts up, I included links for the other threads which make up this build. They will have additional information about the models initial concept and construction.
Got a scheme picked out?
Charles
Its going to be pretty sweet to finally blast some color on it,,
Knowing all the history with semi scale airplanes and appearance points,, it makes one hesitant,,,,
Thanks for the comments guys,,
Tim, mostly the deal is, back some years ago, Ron Burn did a Wildcat that would have won a scale contest, and recieved virtually no appearance points cause it was not shiney,, ( basically)
I think you should door the gear doors. But that's just me. ;DI am going to,, its just a matter of making my window to use the shop to paint it, and my time off most effectivly, I dont have time to get them done and paint with the rest of the plane,, They are small enough I can paint them after the fact.
well,, off we go,, the shop is empty,, the sanding has been declared final,, the colors are mixed,, the paint stand created,, the spray guns located,, all that remains is lunch,, and then painting.... after first coats, then I will cut the masks for insignia,, pictures to follow,,o2oP o2oP o2oP ;D
well,, off we go,, the shop is empty,, the sanding has been declared final,, the colors are mixed,, the paint stand created,, the spray guns located,, all that remains is lunch,, and then painting.... after first coats, then I will cut the masks for insignia,, pictures to follow,,
WOW-VERY COOL! y1 y1 y1and you thought it would never get done ha!! guess I showed you huh,,,
That's why I've kept on ya about it Mark, I knew that you'd do an awesome job on it. It's got a real nice "scale" look with just enough small details added.well Wayne, for you I will take a picture of it with a stream of oil on the belly,, but with my recent dietary constraints, all I have is virgin olive oil,, hope thats ok ;)
The only thing it's going to be missing is oil running down the belly! VD~
Yes I agree Mark, to do it "right" there is usually a bunch of time in planning a paint scheme. The '109 still seems like it went pretty quickly, using the masks as you describe definitely helps speed up the overall process. Your dry times must be pretty quick too. Even using dope I always wait at least 24 hours after spraying before getting anywhere near the model with masking products. It's probably time for me to start considering using masks and spraying instead of my usual vinyl graphics and insignias. Doing so would save a hint of weight too.The material I use,, automotive basecoat, dries for masking in about 30 to 45 minutes,, of course as the coats build up, dry times do increase.
by the way,,( or is that by the weigh,, )
I weighed it with all the flaps, cowlings, gear and all,, sitting on its wheels with everything minus drivetrain,, its 41.2 ounces,, so it should fly at about 63 or 64 ounces,, this would equate to a glow airplane that weighs about 55 ounces ( minus fuel of course)
Yes I agree Mark, to do it "right" there is usually a bunch of time in planning a paint scheme. The '109 still seems like it went pretty quickly, using the masks as you describe definitely helps speed up the overall process. Your dry times must be pretty quick too. Even using dope I always wait at least 24 hours after spraying before getting anywhere near the model with masking products. It's probably time for me to start considering using masks and spraying instead of my usual vinyl graphics and insignias. Doing so would save a hint of weight too.
Great finish! I hope mine comes out that good.
Wayne,, enjoy the hobby at the level of expense and effort which brings the maximum pleasure for the minimum pain needed to get there,, financially or effort,, its all about enjoying,, if vinyl enables you to enjoy the hobby better,, because you can build more or whatever,, then go that way,, sometimes this painting thing is a chore LOL,, but I like it,