Author Topic: bf 109 in prime (Read 22453 times)

Mark Scarborough · « **on:** February 11, 2008, 10:10:06 PM »

well thought its about time for an update for those interested. I got the 109 in "humble coat" on sunday. looks pretty decent, a few areas needing attention but nothing major. Plan on letting it sit for a week or better before sanding begins in earnest. Jessica wants to get back to work on her Shark 402 that has been stalled with my airplane on the bench. I also attached a pict of the profile 109 I built last year but didnt finish as I decided to stay with monokote for the year. Those who know, know my history last year, so understand! It will be finished this spring for the upcoming season as well. Well back to cleaning the bench off, a 14 year old has NO patience... sheesh

The profile is based on the numbers and wing from the Brodak P-40, influence by Pat of course!

Randy Powell · « **Reply #1 on:** February 11, 2008, 10:29:24 PM »

Mark,

Where's Pullman?

Looks very good. In the scheme you have planed, it's going to be a killer.

David Miller · « **Reply #2 on:** February 11, 2008, 10:33:59 PM »

Looking good Mark, now get busy helping that young lady!!! Seriously its good to hear that she is so excited. Has she mowed enough lawns to pay club dues yet? Ha-Ha. I bet we would all like to see some lawn mowing weather so we could fly. LOL!

Mark Scarborough · « **Reply #3 on:** February 11, 2008, 10:52:43 PM »

Yes, weather, we have had plenty, consolation is that most of the snow has melted now, only abou 3 inchs left on the ground, except of course for the mounds of snow that were plowed off drives and such

Terry Bolin · « **Reply #4 on:** February 12, 2008, 07:33:02 AM »

Looks good. keep those pictures commin'
Are you gonna use a 40?

Mark Scarborough · « **Reply #5 on:** February 12, 2008, 08:38:00 AM »

Terry, the profile will either get an LA 46 or my Saito 40a, havent decided yet, its got 580 insq. They built up has 647 insq and will use a SSW Magnum 53. Thanks for the comments all.
Randy, Pullman is where the COUGS live, you know the cats that rip the dawgs up? Go COugs

wwwarbird · « **Reply #6 on:** February 12, 2008, 05:27:20 PM »

Lookin' good Mark! Please keep us posted on the 402 also, that one is coming up soon on my own "to-do" list.

wwwarbird · « **Reply #7 on:** March 27, 2008, 07:18:04 PM »

What's the latest Mark?

Mark Scarborough · « **Reply #8 on:** March 27, 2008, 11:11:18 PM »

Well,
as the contest season approaches, I have had to set it aside for the time being. I needed to get my classic ship done. I have planes to fly in PA and profile, but no classic since I stuffed my Oriental last year in catastrophic fashion. The 109 is outgassing in its hanger while I work on my new Oreintal. Its about ready to cover so I will soon be back on my 109. It was getting to a point where I wanted to "get it done" and there are so many small details I want to do, exhaust stacks, supercharger intake, gun ports and the like, I decided I really needed to take a break from it. Thanks for asking I will keep you posted when I get back on it. it is haunting me on the paint stand right next to the bench so I really need to get back to it soon. Hows your project coming along?

Richard Grogan · « **Reply #9 on:** March 27, 2008, 11:28:37 PM »

The 109 is looking pretty good there, Uncle Mark! BTW... Hows that Ringmaster comming along??

Will we see you next month in Houston with Pat?

wwwarbird · « **Reply #10 on:** March 28, 2008, 07:44:13 AM »

Kind of the same for me on the PBY Mark, this thing is just KILLING me. It's like I've been working on it forever and it just won't end. With that, I have actually got it almost ready for paint though. I've just got to silkspan the engine nacelles, add some trim tab hard points, sand all the fillets just a bit and that's about it. Painting will be a chore though too, it'll be a relatively simple scheme (blue/grey circa 1941), but it's just a BIG awkward plane to work on with a lot of "nooks and crannies".

Can't wait to see that 109!

Mark Scarborough · « **Reply #11 on:** March 28, 2008, 08:11:19 AM »

Richard,
well not likelyl to see me in Houston for the Ring Ding, Not in the cards money or time wise. I would love to but just not happening this time around. I will definetly be missing out on a good time.Maybe next year. Jessica is starting on her new Ringmaster +P this week probably, got the wings from Dee and the rest of the parts are on their way from Pat soon like maybe today.

Will Hinton · « **Reply #12 on:** March 28, 2008, 08:19:46 AM »

Hey Mark,
The break from the 109 is smart. When I get in a hurry to finish one I don't have that kind of wisdom - I jump right in when a break might be the answer to doing a better job in the long run. How long have I been doing this? How long has it taken for me to wake up? Toooooooooo long!!!!

Blessings,
Will
By the way, loooooooooooooooooking gooooooooooood!!!!!!!!

Randy Powell · « **Reply #13 on:** March 28, 2008, 08:30:30 AM »

Mark,

Looking at the calander, I suspect that the 109 will not be ready for Portland. Particularly with the paint scheme you are planning. But that's fine. Better for it to be right than right now. Much like my classic plane. It might be ready for Portland (with the simple scheme I'm planning) but I doubt it. And I won't rush it to get it done. Glad you aren't either.

My PA plane, that has been sitting in frame for something like 3 months while I messed with classic stuff, is just screaming at me to get on with it. The balsa is actually starting to darken a bit. Sheesh!

But I pulled it down and I think it might actually be a bit lighter

Or not. But I hope to get some paint on it soon. At least the roof of the shop isn't leaking any more.

Leo Mehl · « **Reply #14 on:** March 28, 2008, 10:27:12 AM »

Mark, The leadouts are coming out the wong side?

Mark Scarborough · « **Reply #15 on:** March 21, 2011, 11:22:36 AM »

Quote from: Ty Marcucci on February 12, 2008, 06:26:45 AM

Mark, leave it in primer and do not sand it. You will only find things that are wrong. Let my experience (ha) guide you. Seems as soon as you sand off the primer/filler, all kinds of dings and things pop up.

Actually it looks great. Would love to see it live.

WELL I think the primer is finally gassed off LOL

After many things, I am back on this project finally. Ty, as you commented, I started sanding and low and behold, the joy I have,, I found a lot of things I didn't recall being an issue. But then I have built several planes since then and this beast was one of my first builds. So long story short, I got a bunch of sanding work done and making progress again finally.
I have figured out how I am replicating the exhaust stacks, ( ply parts cut by laser) pictures to follow.
It sure feels good to get back on this project again finally! There are a couple things that need work, the main one being the puncture in the covering that occured at some time,, possibly when a sleepover of teenage girls occured,, LOL
No matter,, Progress is underway!
Wayne,, keep prodding me,, I need to have it done before May!

Bill Little · « **Reply #16 on:** March 21, 2011, 11:56:09 AM »

Hi Mark,

Any progress on the spinner? That is a very prominent part of the "look".

Big Bear

Mark Scarborough · « **Reply #17 on:** March 21, 2011, 11:58:32 AM »

Bill,
G-man is machining one for me. He had one done some time ago and it got lost in the mail.
Last I spoke to him, he is pretty close to having another one done, hopefully the post office will cooperate this time, or I may be forced to turn one and make a mold so I can fab them myself. I agree the spinner is a critical part of the look!
I may take the one G-man makes and pull a mold off it just because

wwwarbird · « **Reply #18 on:** March 21, 2011, 12:46:35 PM »

WHOAH! I about fell out of my chair when I noticed this post back up at the top here Mark! Are you back to work on it now?

Mark Scarborough · « **Reply #19 on:** March 21, 2011, 12:50:46 PM »

Well according to the sanding dust on the floor when I woke up this morning, and the used paper,, and the bare wood spots on the plane sitting on my bench, yeah I am back on it again,,
dont act so surprised,, its only been three years, I mean really,,

wwwarbird · « **Reply #20 on:** March 21, 2011, 01:00:09 PM »

Very cool and glad to hear it Mark, this will be a good one.

Pat Johnston · « **Reply #21 on:** March 22, 2011, 06:43:24 AM »

A couple days ago I ripped out the exhaust stacks for Mark on the laser. They are in the mail and he should get them pretty soon, so then you all can see them. Mark is very good with ACAD and also knows how to set up things for the laser. Not all should try this at home. Mark's 109 will be fun. I will be interested to see his posting on the exhaust stacks.
Pat Johnston
Skunk Works

john e. holliday · « **Reply #22 on:** March 22, 2011, 09:06:21 AM »

Really Mark, I know patience makes for master peices, but really three years? And I thought I was slow. But, I am getting old.

Mark Scarborough · « **Reply #23 on:** March 22, 2011, 09:52:56 AM »

Quote from: john e. holliday on March 22, 2011, 09:06:21 AM

Really Mark, I know patience makes for master peices, but really three years? And I thought I was slow. But, I am getting old.

Doc,, thanks SO SO much for the emotional support, your a real pal,,,,,,,,

LOL, actually this one got put aside because I was going through a bout of demolition, every contest it seemed was costing me an airplane ( something about being to aggresive and flying beyond my experience?) Now that I have gotten through that, I have the confidence to finish this beast. Of course there were a few other issues that came along too. But hey, you can join right in with Wayne since he likes to harrass me about this plane not being done yet,,,,,
I think it will be worth the wait though,, Its looking like it may just turn out to be pretty nice,, with any luck.
Even though I can see how far my building has come,, wow, I keep saying to myself,," did I really cover over THAT!" sigh
Pat helped me brainstorm a way to create the stacks, I was looking for alternatives to carving them from basswood or something. I think we hit on a pretty good solution, I cant wait to see the cut parts and play with them a bit. AS soon as I have them, I will show what we came up with.

Shultzie · « **Reply #24 on:** March 22, 2011, 10:10:37 AM »

WOW MARK!
AS USUAL....Your Beautiful CLPA ART at its finest and THANKS FOR SHARING THOSE PHOTOS!
UHH! I COULDN'T HELP BUT NOTICE THE THAT OPEN DOOR IN THE PHOTO!
IS THAT YOUR "PULLMAN SPRAY BOOTH?"

The sad look on your little Doggie's wide eyed face...
"says--HEY DADDY..THIS ROOM STINKS LIKE POOPIE PAINT SPRAY!" AND CLOSE THAT DAMNED DOOR.

Mark Scarborough · « **Reply #25 on:** March 22, 2011, 10:38:26 AM »

Shutzie,,
only you! lol,, the puppies look actually says,, " are you playing with those stupid airplanes instead of me AGAIN!"
as for the open door, actually those pictures were taken in the spring, so it was merely fresh air for the house. While I do build in the house, I dont paint,, I am afraid Linda may have words about that. Well I dont count silkspan and dope as painting,,
I hope to have this one ready for the regionals, along with the Electrajet profile ,, time will tell, its been a long winter with little building time, but now I am feeling the MOJO workin again so just maybe,,

Randy Powell · « **Reply #26 on:** March 22, 2011, 03:23:17 PM »

Just get into the zone, Mark. That would be the sanding zone.

Bill Little · « **Reply #27 on:** March 22, 2011, 03:47:53 PM »

Hi Mark,

Looking forward to new progress shots.

I remember back around 1972 when a buddy of mine built a Bf !09. He was a huge Luftwaffe fan, everything was German it seems. And he built a pretty nice model all the time. He took a large plastic spinner, cut off the nose and epoxied a spent .22 cal. casing in the hole from the back side to simulate the cannon. Looked awesome, really.

Big Bear

Mark Scarborough · « **Reply #28 on:** March 22, 2011, 04:40:26 PM »

Quote from: Randy Powell on March 22, 2011, 03:23:17 PM

Just get into the zone, Mark. That would be the sanding zone.

yess,,,
the ZZZennnnn of sanding,,
It feels pretty good to get back to work on this one. I have been reading all my 109 literature for inspiration,, and its working!

Paul Walker · « **Reply #29 on:** March 23, 2011, 02:08:18 PM »

Mark,
Where are you putting the battery in the full fuselage version?

Paul

PerttiMe · « **Reply #30 on:** March 23, 2011, 02:13:49 PM »

You are not going to paint it in German colors, like everybody else, are you?

http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?regsearch=MT-507&distinct_entry=true
http://jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=225131&nseq=7

http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?regsearch=120D&distinct_entry=true

http://www.google.fi/search?q=avia+s-99&hl=fi&prmd=ivns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=wlaKTbPMGdDssgbU5NmkDA&ved=0CD4QsAQ&biw=1070&bih=607

Mark Scarborough · « **Reply #31 on:** March 23, 2011, 02:42:02 PM »

Paul,
well ya see, its like this,,,, the battery for this one goes in the glow ignitor,, now the next one,, thats a different story. Had I built this two years ago instead of three, it would have been for epower,, but plans are already onboard for a cleaner version, ( assuming this one flies well enough which of course it should LOL)
PertiMe,,
its going to be camo, german, Not sure how many other 109 stunters there are,, lots of P-47, P-40, SPitfire, Mustangs and Bearcats,, not to many 109s,,, earlier on in the thread I posted a pic of the paint scheme I am using,, with a few tweaks.

PerttiMe · « **Reply #32 on:** March 23, 2011, 02:55:38 PM »

Quote from: Mark Scarborough on March 23, 2011, 02:42:02 PM

not to many 109s,,, earlier on in the thread I posted a pic of the paint scheme I am using,, with a few tweaks.

Am I missing something? I cannot find a picture of a paint scheme.

... maybe I meant Bf 109 models in general, C/L and other.

Mark Scarborough · « **Reply #33 on:** March 23, 2011, 03:28:06 PM »

Whoops, it was in the other thread I guess

try this

Mark Scarborough · « **Reply #34 on:** March 23, 2011, 03:29:19 PM »

I am taking some liberties with the paint scheme,, going to use the splinter pattern camo,, I cannot find reference to this camo scheme, so its going to get the red/yellow splash but on a splinter scheme

Paul Walker · « **Reply #35 on:** March 23, 2011, 03:47:08 PM »

UHH! I COULDN'T HELP BUT NOTICE THE THAT OPEN DOOR IN THE PHOTO!
IS THAT YOUR "PULLMAN SPRAY BOOTH?"

Hey Buster, enough of the Pullman jokes. Soon you might be making Deer Park jokes! And that would not be cool!

Hey, he can open the door now. It's almost not freezing every night, and the daytime highs are in the 40's. Down right tropical !

Paul

Pat Johnston · « **Reply #36 on:** March 23, 2011, 05:04:17 PM »

Paul,
I have a Brother-in-law in Deer Park. I might catch you there sometime.
Pat Johnston
Skunk Works

Mark Scarborough · « **Reply #37 on:** March 24, 2011, 01:04:09 PM »

Well the parts for the exhaust stack got here last night, they turned out better than expected by far! Thanks Pat!!!

Here is a picture of them, they are cut from 1/16" ply, there are three parts that make up the center core with another part that closes off the stack opening. Then there is a spacer outside that, then the "shields" that go outside that. also attached a snap of what the actual stack looks like. It looks like with minimal sanding to round the exterior, these will make a very presentable stack simulation,, I am jazzed up now!!!

Bill Little · « **Reply #38 on:** March 24, 2011, 01:14:16 PM »

Those are way cool! They should look great on the Bf 109!

Big Bear

wwwarbird · « **Reply #39 on:** March 24, 2011, 08:42:27 PM »

Purty fancy! They look a lot different than the ones that came in my Goldberg P-40.

PerttiMe · « **Reply #40 on:** March 25, 2011, 01:27:55 AM »

I hadn't realised there was a carrier version of the Bf 109. Or a carrier version built without carrier gear

I was wondering about the exhaust stacks because the Bf 109 that I last saw up close had pretty rounded ones. But the one I saw was G series and the T-2 was an earlier model with more square exhausts.

Mark Scarborough · « **Reply #41 on:** March 25, 2011, 09:40:57 AM »

Actually there was a carrier version of the 109, there was a V tail version, and there was a twin fuse version similar toe the F-81 ( mustang)
The G model did have rounder stacks with less shielding than the E model. The E model had very squarish stacks. Of course this is a stunt model that I want to look like a 109, not a 109 that I want to look like a stunter so some compromise is being made to ensure the best compromise of looks without hopefully sacrificing flying performance.

Pat Johnston · « **Reply #42 on:** March 25, 2011, 03:00:15 PM »

Mark,
Are you thinking about using 1/32" plywood for the top and bottom covers? If you made them a little shallower than the stacks, the stacks would stand out a little more and also provide a little buffer for the covers.
Pat

Mark Scarborough · « **Reply #43 on:** March 25, 2011, 03:03:04 PM »

Pat,
I will most likely just use the 1/16 covers, but I have been thinking about trimming them back a bit to let the stacks stand proud just a touch. Its really hard to tell from the pictures exactly what is going on with the cover shields,, so I guess I will just use my artistical license and do what I want,,,,,
In the pictures that show it, the bottom stack appears to be much shorter and tapers away to virtually nothing towards the back,, or so it appears to me

Bill Little · « **Reply #44 on:** March 27, 2011, 01:01:03 AM »

OK, Guys! Now, what's the chance for getting some of these stacks for a P-51??

(not everyone is building a BF-109.

)

(I'm jealous, Mark.

)

Bill

Steve Helmick · « **Reply #45 on:** July 09, 2011, 09:47:42 PM »

Just came across this old thread and thought I'd give it a bump. Can I fly your bf 109 at Fall Fallies, Mark?

Steve

john e. holliday · « **Reply #46 on:** July 10, 2011, 07:14:23 AM »

And I thought I was slow.

How about some updates with pictures.

Mark Scarborough · « **Reply #47 on:** July 10, 2011, 10:33:21 AM »

ok guys,
Doc, slow implies that work is going on, but at a slow pace,, so far work is stalled. my REAL work, the one that pays the bills is keeping me pretty busy for a bit longer. the current project is almost finished so that will cut me back to two projects at work.
Steve,, hey arent you keeping up, Randy is using my horizantal in the shoestring LOL,,

actually, I need to finish the new profile since the Gee Bee went to the great landfill in the sky,, it only needs hinges and gear installed, then back to the 109,, maybe a couple weeks, I really want to get the thing done, I am tired of it sitting there not getting worked on. Sheesh, and to think I used to wonder why the heck it took some people so long to finish a model LOL<,

and Steve,, just for the record,, whats the last thing YOU built,, let alone finished,,

Pat Johnston · « **Reply #48 on:** July 11, 2011, 12:34:28 PM »

Yeah! What Mark said!!!
Pat

Russell Shaffer · « **Reply #49 on:** July 11, 2011, 01:15:33 PM »

Now that Steve has RETIRED I'm sure we will all be amazed at his building output.