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Offline Dennis Toth

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Best solder for tanks?
« on: January 23, 2018, 05:06:16 PM »
Been working through some tank problems and built a couple new ones. I was wondering what type of solder people are using 60/40 or StayBrite? I have always used the 60/40 but seems the StayBrite is considerably stronger than the 60/40. If you use StayBrite what soldering agent did you use acid/rosen? If acid how did you clean/neutralize it? I did one tank with StayBrite/acid and in 10 minutes it was rusting, lots of WD40 stabilized the outside but I didn't trust the inside so I tossed the tank. What do you use?

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Re: Best solder for tanks?
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2018, 05:24:17 PM »
I use rosin core 2% silver solder from Radio Shack. It flows well and is strong. No problems with corrosion. I do flush the tanks with alcohol to clean out the rosin. It makes nice bright joints. It is only .022 diameter. It is called Silver-Bearing Solder. Number 64-013E

I use it for almost everything. When wrapping landing gear with copper wire to join two pieces, it makes nice strong joints. I have never had a failure.
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Re: Best solder for tanks?
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2018, 05:39:36 PM »
Been working through some tank problems and built a couple new ones. I was wondering what type of solder people are using 60/40 or StayBrite? I have always used the 60/40 but seems the StayBrite is considerably stronger than the 60/40. If you use StayBrite what soldering agent did you use acid/rosen? If acid how did you clean/neutralize it? I did one tank with StayBrite/acid and in 10 minutes it was rusting, lots of WD40 stabilized the outside but I didn't trust the inside so I tossed the tank. What do you use?

    60/40 or 63/37 (eutectic) rosin core is fine. The very slight extra strength of Sta-Brite is not necessary - I have had plenty of tanks put together with 60/40 that inflated themselves in a crash from hydraulic shock, but the solder joints stayed together. As you found, never, under any circumstances, use the Sta-Brite flux - it can never be neutralized and will rust steel or iron for *years* afterwards.   If you absolutely must, like on bare steel, use non-corroding plumbers flux paste.

      The trick to soldering successfully is to use clean tinned material and apply sufficient heat. I use the K&S pre-tinned sheets - what most people would refer to as "tin" as in "tin can", which for all of anyone here's life, has been steel with tin plating. Don't use brass except in an emergency, particularly brass shim stock, which tends to split since it was hard-rolled.

    When soldering, the solder has to be hot enough to *flow like water*, and it will have a slightly bluish tint. If it is clumping up, it's not hot enough. If it's beading up, it's hot enough and the metal is hot, perhaps so hot it oxidized. Both side of the joint have to be hot enough to melt the solder on their own., you cannot melt the solder on the iron and "carry it" to the joint and drop it on there.

    If you are using 60/40, as the solder cools, there is a "plastic" stage where it gets thicker before it solidifies. If you move or disrupt the joint when it is in this state, it will harden with grain and be dull, and very weak. This can't happen with 63/37, it goes straight from liquid to solid, so in that sense it is a bit more forgiving. A properly-made solder joint will be very shiny with a slight "halo" of rosin around the edges. Clean off all rosin afterwards with lacquer thinner. Any dark "dots" of "rosin" remaining in the joint itself will eventually wash themselves out and cause a leak, every joint should be completely shiny silver from end to end.

     DO NOT use a torch to solder tanks, unless you really know what you are doing and know how to go gently enough to not oxidize the metal or boil off the tin by overheating it.

     Brett

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Re: Best solder for tanks?
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2018, 05:42:12 PM »
I use rosin core 2% silver solder from Radio Shack. It flows well and is strong. No problems with corrosion. I do flush the tanks with alcohol to clean out the rosin. It makes nice bright joints. It is only .022 diameter. It is called Silver-Bearing Solder. Number 64-013E

I use it for almost everything. When wrapping landing gear with copper wire to join two pieces, it makes nice strong joints. I have never had a failure.

    This will work fine and it about as strong as Sta-Brite without the corrosion problem.  But I wouldn't attempt to make any sort of structural joints on music wire using it, particularly, it absolutely is not strong enough for horn uprights on music wire or A2 drill rod unless you do something to take the load off the solder, like the "key" method that Keith Trostle uses.

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Re: Best solder for tanks?
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2018, 06:01:15 PM »
Taken to Boiling / Fushing the tanks in boiling water with a spoonfull of Baking Soda , then apllying CRC / WD 40 Internally ,
or shake out with some old castor fuel - To coat in oil , if its not going to be used in the next five minuets .

The Heat from boiling , if fully drained , on a three tube tank , seems to getem dry inside . No Milkyness in flushing fluid afterward .

Ive always used the 50/50 plumbers solder for tanks . The old pommy diesel vibration theory was it was more flexable ,  :-\ .

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