Author Topic: Bene's new Shark... (Read 9302 times)

MarcusCordeiro · « **on:** February 03, 2014, 03:39:43 PM »

Bene does not post here, but I'm sure he doesn't mind me showing you this....

Marcus

peabody · « **Reply #1 on:** February 03, 2014, 06:22:56 PM »

Cool...is it from a kit? Built from plans? ARF?

MarcusCordeiro · « **Reply #2 on:** February 03, 2014, 06:41:13 PM »

As far as I know, it came unassembled, so it meets the requirements for the BOM...

Marcus

RC Storick · « **Reply #3 on:** February 03, 2014, 07:17:07 PM »

Quote from: MarcusCordeiro on February 03, 2014, 06:41:13 PM

As far as I know, it came assembled, so it meets the requirements for the BOM...

Marcus

I am pretty sure that it doesn't meet BOM UN assembled means UN finished raw materials. This has been tried and tested before. Until I am shown a raw kit UN assembled UN covered UN finished No parts of any kind glued together less plywood its just another ARF. And I like Bene.

jose modesto · « **Reply #4 on:** February 03, 2014, 08:29:13 PM »

First beautiful model.Robert I beg to differ on the point that all models or parts must be raw balsa no such rule exist.
I'm only discussing this one point of there being a rule that states raw balsa kits only.
The AMA has no such ruling.
I can't say if Bene's model is BOM compliant as no one knows the condition of the parts wen they were shipped to him.
Lets wait on the info before declaring the model Non Compliant.

Jose Modesto

RC Storick · « **Reply #5 on:** February 03, 2014, 09:05:50 PM »

It is a cool model. Jose please show me a BOM compliant shark your right no rule exists but there should be. However I believe it does say uncovered and unfinished. We need a clear cut rule so people stop trying to use shades of grey.

Brett Buck · « **Reply #6 on:** February 03, 2014, 09:34:58 PM »

Quote from: Robert Storick on February 03, 2014, 09:05:50 PM

It is a cool model. Jose please show me a BOM compliant shark your right no rule exists but there should be. However I believe it does say uncovered and unfinished. We need a clear cut rule so people stop trying to use shades of grey.

A rule definitely does exist. It's that you are supposed to "completely construct" your model. This one is certainly not constructed by the modeler.

Brett

Trostle · « **Reply #7 on:** February 03, 2014, 10:09:44 PM »

Quote from: Robert Storick on February 03, 2014, 07:17:07 PM

I am pretty sure that it doesn't meet BOM UN assembled means UN finished raw materials. This has been tried and tested before. Until I am shown a raw kit UN assembled UN covered UN finished No parts of any kind glued together less plywood its just another ARF. And I like Bene.

I am confused. (Maybe not an unusual thing) But, what is the issue here. Bene competes in FAI competition. There is NO BOM requirement. So what is the criticism for?

Yes, Bene has competed here in the States including the Nats and our VSC. I am reasonably sure that he built the models he used in any of our AMA contests that have been compliant with our BOM rules.

Keith

proparc · « **Reply #8 on:** February 03, 2014, 10:12:16 PM »

Quote from: Trostle on February 03, 2014, 10:09:44 PM

I am confused. (Maybe not an unusual thing) But, what is the issue here. Bene competes in FAI competition. There is NO BOM requirement. So what is the criticism for?

Yes, Bene has competed here in the States including the Nats and our VSC. I am reasonably sure that he built the models he used in any of our AMA contests that have been compliant with our BOM rules.

Keith

That is my take on this exactly!!

RC Storick · « **Reply #9 on:** February 03, 2014, 10:13:52 PM »

Quote from: MarcusCordeiro on February 03, 2014, 06:41:13 PM

As far as I know, it came unassembled, so it meets the requirements for the BOM...

Marcus

He stated it was BOM compliant and I tend to differ in opinion.

MarcusCordeiro · « **Reply #10 on:** February 04, 2014, 02:42:23 AM »

Peoplr

I never saw the ship before it being painted, and Bene said he ordered the ship a certain way so he could fly it at the NATS and meet the BOM rules...
I'll ask him.

Marcus

Avaiojet · « **Reply #11 on:** February 04, 2014, 07:00:26 AM »

The wing is nice.

Dave_Trible · « **Reply #12 on:** February 04, 2014, 07:35:54 AM »

Quote from: Robert Storick on February 03, 2014, 10:13:52 PM

He stated it was BOM compliant and I tend to differ in opinion.

Robert I vote for a Tee shirt like that !

Dave

Bradley Walker · « **Reply #13 on:** February 04, 2014, 08:13:37 AM »

All I know is that elliptical wing is freaking awesome.

You guys all need to go to law school and then run for office. You all sound like lawyers or politicians.

"It depends on what you definition of IS... is..."

Avaiojet · « **Reply #14 on:** February 04, 2014, 08:46:28 AM »

Quote from: Bradley Walker on February 04, 2014, 08:13:37 AM

All I know is that elliptical wing is freaking awesome.

You guys all need to go to law school and then run for office. You all sound like lawyers or politicians.

"It depends on what you definition of IS... is..."

Bradley,

Isn't it outstanding. Glad I Posted the photo of the elliptical wing I designed long before this Thread.

Besides, I don't beliebe it's truly elliptical, it appears as though the tips have been cut off and squared a bit. Not sure if that removes the design brom being truly elliptical or not?

Still outstanding!!

Bradley Walker · « **Reply #15 on:** February 04, 2014, 08:53:01 AM »

Agreed!!!

Derek Barry · « **Reply #16 on:** February 04, 2014, 09:22:00 AM »

I flew a fully elliptical Charisma (Tom Dixon design) at the 1994 Nats. You can see it at the end of the nats video that Paul posted.

Derek.

john e. holliday · « **Reply #17 on:** February 04, 2014, 09:24:49 AM »

Marcus, tell Bene the old DOC says that is one great looking plane. Watch for him on the world circuit when he starts getting serious. Now for my rant, so he now has a Shark that he has assembled and finished. He will also be competing with it. We all know he is a competent builder, so why the fuss of using a Shark kit no matter the variation of the kit? Maybe he can make up the Appearance points over most of the guys that fly here in the states. How simple it would be if appearance points were just dropped out of sight. Look at the competition around the world at the gorgeous planes that are being used.

Steve Fitton · « **Reply #18 on:** February 04, 2014, 09:44:23 AM »

I hope StuntHangar can sell stickers and tee shirts of that antishark picture! Its awesome!!!

Doug Moon · « **Reply #19 on:** February 04, 2014, 09:54:16 AM »

Quote from: john e. holliday on February 04, 2014, 09:24:49 AM

...How simple it would be if appearance points were just dropped out of sight. Look at the competition around the world at the gorgeous planes that are being used.

Well, it wouldn't change one thing is appearance points were dropped. Because entering 322 has zip, zero, nada, nothing to do with appearance points. You have to build the model to enter the event that leads to crowing the national champion of the USA. Appearance points are part of the scoring of your model you built.

On another note that wing is AWESOME!

Steve Helmick · « **Reply #20 on:** February 04, 2014, 05:28:48 PM »

Here are two BOM compliant Sharks.

I just had to do it. Tough stuff!

Steve

proparc · « **Reply #21 on:** February 04, 2014, 05:40:53 PM »

This ship is so drop dead friggin awesome looking, I don't give a rats a%^ who made it.

Chris McMillin · « **Reply #22 on:** February 04, 2014, 10:00:01 PM »

Quote from: Bradley Walker on February 04, 2014, 08:13:37 AM

All I know is that elliptical wing is freaking awesome.

You guys all need to go to law school and then run for office. You all sound like lawyers or politicians.

"It depends on what you definition of IS... is..."

I wondered what happened to you, Brad!
Chris...

Avaiojet · « **Reply #23 on:** February 05, 2014, 07:33:59 AM »

Quote from: Derek Barry on February 04, 2014, 09:22:00 AM

I flew a fully elliptical Charisma (Tom Dixon design) at the 1994 Nats. You can see it at the end of the nats video that Paul posted.

Derek.

Derek,

Where is that video, I would like to see it.

Any comments on how the model performed?

Charles

Trostle · « **Reply #24 on:** February 05, 2014, 10:07:37 AM »

Deleted. Nothing to do with Bene's Shark.

Derek Barry · « **Reply #25 on:** February 05, 2014, 10:24:34 AM »

Quote from: Avaiojet on February 05, 2014, 07:33:59 AM

Derek,

Where is that video, I would like to see it.

Any comments on how the model performed?

Charles

I was a teenager when I flew this plane but I seem to remember it being pretty good. I won Advanced at the Nats with it that year.

Derek

Avaiojet · « **Reply #26 on:** February 05, 2014, 10:49:10 AM »

Quote from: Derek Barry on February 05, 2014, 10:24:34 AM

I was a teenager when I flew this plane but I seem to remember it being pretty good. I won Advanced at the Nats with it that year.

Derek

Derek,

You started early, congratulations on that and thanks for posting the video.

Charles

Doug Moon · « **Reply #27 on:** February 05, 2014, 10:50:55 AM »

Quote from: Derek Barry on February 05, 2014, 10:24:34 AM

I was a teenager when I flew this plane but I seem to remember it being pretty good. I won Advanced at the Nats with it that year.

Derek

I took 5th place in beginner that year! It's great to watch old videos! The clothes kill me!! HHAHAAA

Derek Barry · « **Reply #28 on:** February 05, 2014, 12:01:41 PM »

Quote from: Doug Moon on February 05, 2014, 10:50:55 AM

I took 5th place in beginner that year! It's great to watch old videos! The clothes kill me!! HHAHAAA

I cant even look back at the pictures of me in the 80s. Way too much neon and acid wash for my brain to take.

And Charles I have been flying competitively since I was 9. Its been a fun ride so far.

Derek

Paul Taylor · « **Reply #29 on:** February 05, 2014, 06:25:43 PM »

I cant believe they got that plane back together in the hotel room.

Derek Barry · « **Reply #30 on:** February 06, 2014, 06:26:17 AM »

Quote from: Paul Taylor on February 05, 2014, 06:25:43 PM

I cant believe they got that plane back together in the hotel room.

That was just one of many Windy emergency rebuilds at the nats over the years. Including one of mine.

Derek

Mike Griffin · « **Reply #31 on:** February 06, 2014, 06:58:55 AM »

A few years back, I offered Jean Pailet's Skylark as a kit and it had a beautiful elliptical wing. The kit did not sell well and I never understood why.

Mike

John Stiles · « **Reply #32 on:** February 06, 2014, 07:20:46 AM »

Quote from: Steve Helmick on February 04, 2014, 05:28:48 PM

Here are two BOM compliant Sharks.

I just had to do it. Tough stuff! Steve

Glad this didn't turn into another BOM thread!

Avaiojet · « **Reply #33 on:** February 06, 2014, 07:22:33 AM »

Quote from: Mike Griffin on February 06, 2014, 06:58:55 AM

A few years back, I offered Jean Pailet's Skylark as a kit and it had a beautiful elliptical wing. The kit did not sell well and I never understood why.

Mike

Mike,

Still got the kit?

Charles

Dave_Trible · « **Reply #34 on:** February 06, 2014, 07:39:03 AM »

Quote from: Mike Griffin on February 06, 2014, 06:58:55 AM

A few years back, I offered Jean Pailet's Skylark as a kit and it had a beautiful elliptical wing. The kit did not sell well and I never understood why.

Mike

Mike I found that style doesn't matter much. A design has to win about 5 Nats and a Worlds before you'll sell more than about 5 kits.

Bill Little · « **Reply #35 on:** February 06, 2014, 07:49:01 AM »

Hi Derek,

I think I remember you from the 1993 NATS at Lawerenceville.Vincennes? Where you there? Aaron and I met Bob and Robby Hunt there. Had a good time in the parking lot with Steve Buso putting together a fictitious "Paper Towel Commercial" while wiping down our models.

BIG Bear

Douglas Ames · « **Reply #36 on:** February 06, 2014, 08:31:24 AM »

Dang guys! It's a beautiful model! Take the BOM stuff elsewhere.

No where did Marcus (re: Bene) say he was going to compete in AMA events with this model.

The Brazilian national colors on the tail are killer.

Mike Griffin · « **Reply #37 on:** February 06, 2014, 08:39:22 AM »

Dave you pretty much hit the nail on the head. The Stingray kit I am working on now will probably be the last kit I will produce. I have had very little interest in it and it was a Nats winner in 1964.

Dave_Trible · « **Reply #38 on:** February 06, 2014, 08:58:43 AM »

Mike it's a tough go. In the 50-70s there was a network or pipeline of hobby distributors and thousands of hobby shops across the country. You can make a living just making enough to fill the pipeline. That promoted continually developing new kits to stuff that pipeline. That whole network is gone which did away with the pipe to fill and the casual shopper finding your stuff in every town in America. The serious nucleus is still here as always but it was the casual or one-time buyer that supported the industry. If there is any way to change that it has to be finding ways to pull in brand new people to the hobby. That has always been the fuel to keep it going. Very simple beginner stuff sold cheaply in as many outlets as possible is the only chance for much new growth.

Dave

john e. holliday · « **Reply #39 on:** February 06, 2014, 09:13:19 AM »

Quote from: Derek Barry on February 06, 2014, 06:26:17 AM

That was just one of many Windy emergency rebuilds at the nats over the years. Including one of mine.

Derek

Derek, that surly wasn't your Limitation? Someone had the plans and article on the bay just recently. Seeing you and I think your brother getting ready for a flight. You sure growed up.

Doug Moon · « **Reply #40 on:** February 06, 2014, 09:25:33 AM »

Quote from: Derek Barry on February 05, 2014, 12:01:41 PM

I cant even look back at the pictures of me in the 80s. Way too much neon and acid wash for my brain to take.

Derek

Acid Wash! AAAHAHAAHAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAA I had tons of that crap!

Somewhere there is pic of me with my profile from the 94 nats wearing orange and blue Umbro Soccer shorts. YUCK!!!

Steve Fitton · « **Reply #41 on:** February 07, 2014, 11:01:03 AM »

Quote from: Trostle on February 05, 2014, 10:07:37 AM

Deleted. Nothing to do with Bene's Shark.

Who is the chick?

Trostle · « **Reply #42 on:** February 07, 2014, 01:53:34 PM »

Quote from: Steve Fitton on February 07, 2014, 11:01:03 AM

Who is the chick?

That photo is now deleted.

KT

Bob Kruger · « **Reply #43 on:** February 07, 2014, 06:42:35 PM »

Quote from: Bradley Walker on February 04, 2014, 08:13:37 AM

All I know is that elliptical wing is freaking awesome.

You guys all need to go to law school and then run for office. You all sound like lawyers or politicians.

"It depends on what you definition of IS... is..."

Last heard from the same person who stated "I never had sex with that woman..."

Feet of clay.

MarcusCordeiro · « **Reply #44 on:** March 24, 2014, 07:24:16 PM »

Sorry for bringing this topic back....
just doing a buddy a favor...

Marcus

Mike Keville · « **Reply #45 on:** March 24, 2014, 08:23:04 PM »

As noted above, Bene flies F2B, which has no BOM requirement. When it comes to building, you are referred to his award-winning take-apart Ares which won the 'Spirit of 64' plaque at a VSC a couple of years ago. This guy can build!!!

Brett Buck · « **Reply #46 on:** March 24, 2014, 09:27:09 PM »

Quote from: Paul Taylor on February 05, 2014, 06:25:43 PM

I cant believe they got that plane back together in the hotel room.

You should have smelled the epoxy and BO in that room, I could only go in there for a minute or so. it was also about a million degrees.

Brett

Lauri Malila · « **Reply #47 on:** March 25, 2014, 05:06:50 AM »

PJ Rowland · « **Reply #48 on:** March 27, 2014, 06:16:24 PM »

Lauri - yes but your a building freak... I get complaints about you from the Swiss watch makers saying your stuff is TO GOOD!

Avaiojet · « **Reply #49 on:** March 27, 2014, 06:25:26 PM »

Quote from: Lauri Malila on March 25, 2014, 05:06:50 AM

Haha! I got a new one too. It's going to be even nicer than Bene's;)

L

Lauri,

You do real nice work. Really nice!

Charles