Beginner Stunt Rules

[Harold Brewer]

Where can one find the rules for Beginner Stunt?  I have searched this forum with no luck.

Best regards,

Brew

[Trostle]

Where can one find the rules for Beginner Stunt?  I have searched this forum with no luck.

Best regards,

Brew

Go to the AMA web site, then Events, then Rules/Regulations, then Control Line Precision Aerobatics.  The Skill Classes are defined starting on page 55.

https://www.modelaircraft.org/sites/default/files/CL%20Precision%20Aerobatics%202019-2020.pdf

Keith

[Paul Smith]

I would suggest the AMA Rule Book.  But I haven't rung out that theory.  Or maybe PAMPA if not AMA.  It just like regular stunt with a few less stunts.

Just as a matter of opinion, it's only simplified about 10%, hardly enough to admit anybody who's that close to going full pattern.

[Tom Vieira]

beginner pattern

take off

6 level laps

wingover

two laps

three inside loops, exit normal or inverted  (i prefer inverted, you'll do this anyhow moving in to intermediate)

two laps either inverted or normal

three outside loops, enter from inverted or high, exit in normal flight (i enter inverted...  i seem to crash every time doing an outside loop entering high)

two laps

two square inside loops

two laps

two horizontal eights

two laps

two overhead eights, enter from wingover, exit to finish the wingover

putt around in level flight and land smoooooooooooth

[John Rist]

https://www.modelaircraft.org/sites/default/files/CL%20Precision%20Aerobatics%202019-2020.pdf

All as said above.  Sample score sheet on last page, page 60.

[Naomi Macklem]

I have the Beginner Stunt pattern and score sheet as flow at the Brodak Fly-In.  This is the one I am trying to learn!

[TDM]

No grappling
No elbows
No steeping on opponents tows
No blows below the waist.

[Joe Ed Pederson]

Just as a matter of opinion, it's only simplified about 10%, hardly enough to admit anybody who's that close to going full pattern.

It may sound simple, but I still haven't strung together three consecutive outside loops without breaking the fuselage in half at the bottom of the third outside loop.  Good thing I'm not easily discouraged.  

Glass half full: I am getting repair times down and letting go of making beautiful repairs.  Usually back in the air in three days.   Fuel proof repairs are my only goal in repair work now. 

Joe Ed Pederson
Cuba, MO

[Tom Vieira]

fly high!

[Tim Wescott]

I would suggest the AMA Rule Book.  But I haven't rung out that theory.  Or maybe PAMPA if not AMA.  It just like regular stunt with a few less stunts.

Just as a matter of opinion, it's only simplified about 10%, hardly enough to admit anybody who's that close to going full pattern.

It is in the AMA rules for Control Line Precision Airobatics.

The pattern is designed to eliminate inverted flight, and to give the contestant more time to start their engine.  These are both good things for the rank beginner.

Just a tip: if you learn to fly inverted between the inside and outside loops, it will impress the judges.


Motorman

And get you ready for the full pattern.

It may sound simple, but I still haven't strung together three consecutive outside loops without breaking the fuselage in half at the bottom of the third outside loop.  Good thing I'm not easily discouraged.

Start high, and go ahead and let your loops walk upward until you're better.  You need to give it shallower elevator at the top and deeper at the bottom -- you're doing this instinctively for the insides, but you're probably getting those instinctive wires crossed on the outsides.  It helped me a lot to think of my control inputs as "toward the wheels" and "toward the canopy" instead of "up" and "down" -- that way when you want to get away from the ground and the wheels are away from the ground, you go toward the wheels -- not "down, no up, no -- oh crap, need to rebuild".

[Tom Vieira]

another key i have found is to always make your flight corrections heading UP in the air, and not down.  if you're getting too close to the ground by the third loop, open up the climbing side of your loops a little bit.  don't try to shrink the diving side.  it doesn't work (at least for me!)

[Joe Ed Pederson]

Tim and T.J.

Thanks for the tips. 

T.J.   You're right.  I need to widen the loop on the way up if I'm getting too low.  The trick will be relaxing the down elevator just enough that I don't fly out of the loop and into a quasi wingover.  Of course, a quasi wingover would be better than a broken fuselage.

Tim: Thanks for the word on shallower elevator at the top and deeper elevator on the bottom.  You're right.  It doesn't seem I'm doing that on inside loops.  It just seems like steady elevator all the way around when doing inside loops.

Another thing I've thought of.   When I was 16 years old and taking flying lessons in a Taylorcraft BC-12D.  During the first several lessons it seemed like things were happening really fast from takeoff through flying the pattern and landing.    It seemed I could hardly keep up with everything I had to monitor and do.   After a few hours of training it seemed to take forever to fly the pattern.    Things really slowed down when I knew what I was doing.  There was another experience common to the first few hours of flight training that may or may not apply: it only takes 30 minutes to get mentally exhausted during the first few hours of flight training.

Right now things seem to be happening really quickly once I start the first outside loop.  I imagine things will seem to happen more slowly once I've practiced more and the pucker factor subsides a little.

Then it will be on to the square loop.

Joe Ed Pederson
Cuba, MO

[Tim Wescott]

Right now things seem to be happening really quickly once I start the first outside loop.  I imagine things will seem to happen more slowly once I've practiced more and the pucker factor subsides a little.

Yes, they will.  When I got serious about stunt, for the first year I was always behind the plane, and crashing all the time.  At some point you get to where you're ahead of it, and the difference is like night and day.

[Joe Ed Pederson]

Yes, they will.  When I got serious about stunt, for the first year I was always behind the plane, and crashing all the time.  At some point you get to where you're ahead of it, and the difference is like night and day.

Tim,

This little conversation has been most helpful.  It helps to know what to expect: lots of practice, lots of glue, props and NVA's until things slow down and fall into place.

I've always been attracted to hobbies that if not difficult, at least difficult to get good at, and hobbies that you can never truly master.  Control line stunt sure fits the bill.

Joe Ed