Author Topic: Brazilian 50´s design Olimpia (Read 6445 times)

fred cesquim · « **on:** March 23, 2016, 08:56:34 AM »

just finished for a friend this plane
it´s called Olimpia, it´s a 50´s design by legendary and still open modeloshop "Casa Aerobras"
The original design had fuselage landing gear, and was called Olimpia III, this versions is an 80´s later run and had LG on wings, more rounded fuselage and called Olimpia B
Classic flapeless design for 29-35 engines
This one was covered with blue oracover, sylkspan fuselage and automotive white/pearl blue trim.
ink lines and 2 part auto clear
engine OS LA 25 (owner´s choice)
final weight 980 Grams
since the original design was aimed for less powerfull and heavy engines we do belive this one will fly finely

fred cesquim · « **Reply #1 on:** March 23, 2016, 08:57:43 AM »

original design 50´s ad and later 60´s (probably) ad as well

fred cesquim · « **Reply #2 on:** March 23, 2016, 09:03:45 AM »

now the finished model

Steve Helmick · « **Reply #3 on:** March 23, 2016, 12:38:19 PM »

You do very nice work! I'm sure it will fly well if it is light and straight. The design looks rather like a Veco "Squaw" but with a bubble canopy.

Steve

john e. holliday · « **Reply #4 on:** March 23, 2016, 08:43:14 PM »

Really nice looking plane. Hope it flies as well as it looks.

pat king · « **Reply #5 on:** March 23, 2016, 08:49:45 PM »

Great looking airplane! You do good work. I am sure she will fly as good as she looks.

Pat

fred cesquim · « **Reply #6 on:** March 24, 2016, 06:57:31 AM »

thanks a lot for the comments guys!
been at the field yesterday, but due to the rain no maiden flight was performed
delivered to the owner and i hope we can do it next weekend
i was fortunate to have 3 planes that i´ve built recently there so i took this pictures!
will keep posted about flight!

ohh yes, looks a lot like the Squaw! probably a redrawn version indeed!

Avaiojet · « **Reply #7 on:** March 24, 2016, 07:01:27 AM »

Fred,

Really a nice looking model. Excellent work!

You guys with those light colored lines over a darker color, one day I'll learn that secrete.

Good color choice, great graphics and a nice thick airfoil to boot. The model should fly really nice.

A winner!

You have a nice group of talanted modelers down there.

Charles

fred cesquim · « **Reply #8 on:** March 24, 2016, 07:39:52 AM »

Thanks a lot Charles!
hopefully i will visit USA one day with one of my models
this grey ink lines are really nice because you can see them over clear or dark colours and the plane looks more "real"
PM´ed you!
best regards
Fred

Randy Powell · « **Reply #9 on:** March 24, 2016, 09:32:59 AM »

You do very nice work, Fred. I like all three.

john e. holliday · « **Reply #10 on:** March 24, 2016, 11:40:45 AM »

The planes look great, or did I say that already. If it does look like a 'Squaw', it has been dressed up a bit. You folks don't worry about copy right laws, do You?

fred cesquim · « **Reply #11 on:** March 24, 2016, 02:45:39 PM »

Thanks a lot Randy!

fred cesquim · « **Reply #12 on:** March 24, 2016, 02:54:00 PM »

Quote from: john e. holliday on March 24, 2016, 11:40:45 AM

The planes look great, or did I say that already. If it does look like a 'Squaw', it has been dressed up a bit. You folks don't worry about copy right laws, do You?

thanks John!
i guess it may be a heavily modified redrawn of the Squaw (olimpia have upright engine, original was more box like fuse and no flaps) but again, my guess.
about copy right, as in any country some people care, some not, i do care. it has something to do with individual culture and country policy.
like this guy that cut the kit, sure he broke the copyright law, but is it of any worth sue him for half a dozen kits cut at home?
i work with vinyl records reissue here, and i pay a lot of copyright, otherwise i would be heavily sued and i do belive that if something has to be done, it should be done properly.
maybe i´ll print the Squaw plan 1:1 just to compare, and be back with my impressions!
all te best
Fred

Serge_Krauss · « **Reply #13 on:** March 24, 2016, 10:45:01 PM »

That's really beautiful work, as so many have said. Can you tell us anything about your chosen finish? I presume the spinner is painted.

Shug Emery · « **Reply #14 on:** March 24, 2016, 11:22:51 PM »

The panel lines are simple and slick and look ever-so good.
Shug

fred cesquim · « **Reply #15 on:** March 28, 2016, 04:04:47 AM »

thanks a lot again guys!
finish is:
wing and stab blue oracover
fuselage sylkspan & primer
white and metallic blue are automotive paint
ink lines with 0,6 drawing pen and regular nankin
spinner had a shot of plastic sealer and then was painted (you guessed right Serge!)
on top of all, 2 pack clear and polishing

fred cesquim · « **Reply #16 on:** March 28, 2016, 06:33:25 AM »

here´s the plan PDF, now we can compare to the Squaw

George Albo · « **Reply #17 on:** March 28, 2016, 08:29:35 PM »

It's a close cousin to the Veco Squaw but not it's clone. A brother from another mother by any other name! Nice plane. After I build my recently acquired Squaw, this is one just got put on the to do list.

I built the Veco Squaw in the seventies when I was kid, then sadly got crushed by someones foot. Now fast forward, just got one off of Ebay. Purchased an ASP .29 for it. Maybe too much engine for it. Anyways gonna have fun finding out! The Olympia III is a nice plane!

Thanks for the PDF Fred!

George Albo

fred cesquim · « **Reply #18 on:** March 29, 2016, 05:43:03 AM »

nice to know that maybe we can se an "All American" Olimpia!
indeed the model resemble by far the Squaw. sorry to hear about the fate of your plane
i have none of my first models too, sold to purchase the next and so on....
i belive i can find a Olimpia kit here if you want, or if you plan to go by the plans (wich is easy) i have to send you the stab drawing and i am sure the canopy is still available for sale, let me know if i can be of any help
regards
Fred

George Albo · « **Reply #19 on:** March 29, 2016, 09:56:05 AM »

Thanks and please send the stab drawing!

George Albo

MarcusCordeiro · « **Reply #20 on:** March 29, 2016, 03:52:00 PM »

The Olímpia kit is available at Casa Aerobras...
Now, it would be very difficult for anybody out there to design sometinhg that will not resemble with na american design simply because you guys invented CL... Thanks to people like Obey Saint-Clair and Jim Walker we can enjoy this wonderful sport/hobby.
América has always been the leading country when we talk about CL, and how many ships have been designed there?? Maybe a gazzilion?
So, my point is: Thank you guys!!!

Marcus

fred cesquim · « **Reply #21 on:** March 30, 2016, 01:32:49 PM »

just called Aerobras and they stil have the kit on sale!
about U$ 120,00
comes complete with metal tank, wheels, bellkranck and japanese tissue!
if anyone wants one, let me know and i can help
Regards
Fred

fred cesquim · « **Reply #22 on:** April 06, 2016, 11:09:45 AM »

Quote from: George Albo on March 29, 2016, 09:56:05 AM

Thanks and please send the stab drawing!

George Albo

follows image, think you can figure out it with this and fuselage side view!
best
Fred

George Albo · « **Reply #23 on:** April 06, 2016, 11:32:24 AM »

Quote from: fred cesquim on April 06, 2016, 11:09:45 AM

follows image, think you can figure out it with this and fuselage side view!
best
Fred

I got it thanks. I just checked the dimensions via measurement tool. The stab is about 19 1/4" long.

Thanks again!!!

George Albo

fred cesquim · « **Reply #24 on:** April 06, 2016, 11:59:45 AM »

Quote from: George Albo on April 06, 2016, 11:32:24 AM

I got it thanks. I just checked the dimensions via measurement tool. The stab is about 19 1/4" long.

Thanks again!!!

George Albo

great!
if you plan do to a builders plan, please share with us!
good lucky and keep us posted with the building!

FLOYD CARTER · « **Reply #25 on:** April 06, 2016, 12:32:39 PM »

I'm wondering about copyright laws. It's really difficult to copyright a model plane. Just a few cosmetic changes and it becomes completely different. Consider all the Nobler variations over the years, and none are really eligible for copyright, let alone some sort of patent.

I've struggled through a couple of my own patents. Unless the patent application is really unique, it usually ends up as a lesson in frustration, plus a lot of attorney fees which is money down the tubes!

Floyd

fred cesquim · « **Reply #26 on:** April 06, 2016, 03:48:59 PM »

i do agree with you Floyd
the Nobler must be the most copyed design on control line, and nobody can affirm that it´s a copy as far as the designer changes a few lines to make the shape different. But looking at the Squaw plans, i see not much similarities at all

George Albo · « **Reply #27 on:** April 06, 2016, 04:50:59 PM »

Quote from: fred cesquim on April 06, 2016, 03:48:59 PM

i do agree with you Floyd
the Nobler must be the most copyed design on control line, and nobody can affirm that it´s a copy as far as the designer changes a few lines to make the shape different. But looking at the Squaw plans, i see not much similarities at all

Fred the Olimpia is of Brazilian origin and doubt that there are any copyright or patent issues. It may have similarities to the Veco Squaw, as well as ANY number of airplanes of the 40 to 50's period, but cannot say it is a Veco Squaw.

Thanks for the stab diagram / dimensions.

George Albo

fred cesquim · « **Reply #28 on:** April 13, 2016, 10:26:34 AM »

just found bulding pictures!

fred cesquim · « **Reply #29 on:** April 13, 2016, 10:27:48 AM »

few more

George Albo · « **Reply #30 on:** April 13, 2016, 03:36:31 PM »

Quote from: fred cesquim on April 13, 2016, 10:26:34 AM

just found bulding pictures!

nice!