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What an age we're in for U-control!
« on: February 18, 2007, 12:46:59 AM »
When I started flying in the early 80's, there sure wasn't much available for control line models. Sig, Top Flite, and Sterling was about all that had anything, and the offerings were slim. I think about 20 models total were available. There might have been some cottage industry offerings, but a 12 yr old kid like me with no real contacts in the modeling world sure wouldn't know about them. The hobby shop laughed when I enquired about more C/L stuff. There was no internet yet. I didn't have the skills to build from plans either. But I made do by kit bashing and so on.

 Now look at what we have. I'll bet there are over 100 available kits, tons of suitable engines, a vast array of parts, more plans available than ever before, and ARF/ARC models. It's simply amazing.

All of you guys making this happen for us are to be congratulated H^^. A BIG HIGH FIVE to all of you. I know there is no fortune to made here. You must do it simply for the love of the hobby. It's never been easier to be a U-control modeler! #^


Can I get an AMEN!?
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Re: What an age we're in for U-control!
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2007, 04:46:42 AM »
When I was 12 back in 1976 I got my first c/l plane, a Cox Fokker DVII RTF.  I had no idea what kits were available except plastic static models. I was in the Air League then but I bacame friends with a guy at school who was in an aeromodellers club. He convinced me to quit the Air League and join his club and build real flying models.   Kits were frowned upon by the areomodelling  club members because the only way in their eyes was to scratch build from plans. So that is what I did.  Mind you here in Australia  back then the only kits we knew about were from Aeroflyte and we didnt consider them to be very good because the balsa was heavy and poor quality.  We built control line models from plans for what is now called "sport flying" and Free Flight models from plans for competition and we designed our own control line combat wings because all we really wanted to do as kids was go fast! When I look back now we really had no idea, but at the time we thought we knew it all. (typical teenagers).

We went to the Australian Nationals as Juniors in 1977 and flew Free Flight A1 Sailplane (now F1H), Open Rubber and Hand Launched Glider. I came 4th  in all three events, just out of the medals. As part of the deal for our lift down to the Nats we had to chase models for the older members of the club in Open Power and other senior events, so our time to enter in other events was limited.

Anyway, at the end of 1978 my friend moved away and I eventually lost interest and started playing other sports with new friends. Years later, I went back to my old club and had a rekindled interest and built a Flite Streak Jnr (from a 1/2 built kit) and a couple of 1/2A Mouse Racer models, but again my interest waned, manily because of the noise complaints about flying in local parks and the fact that the guy who ran the club had become a cranky old man.

Even though I stopped flying and building again, I kept all my models and engines. Last year in February 2006, I had caught the eBay bug and was looking for things to sell from my garage. I had already sucessfully sold screen printed T-shirts and old motorcycle parts and was looking for something else to sell. My wife suggested I should sell all those old planes hanging up in the garage. So I got them down and cleaned them up, then remembered that I had a heap of old engines stored somewhere.

While cleaning these up and taking photos of them to sell them on eBay, thoughts of the past kept coming back to me.  With each engine I picked up there was a different memory that would come flooding back. Like the time I crashed my original fokker DVII and totally destroyed it when I was looking at the engine from that plane.  I decided "I can't sell these" these are too good! I should be flying them not selling them.

I came inside and looked on eBay and Google and discovered the world I now live in. I found an 049collectors forum on yahoo which led to Stuka Stunt forum (aka "the other site"). On eBay I discovered Sams Stuff & Hobbies http://www.sshobbies.com selling 049 model kits which led me here to Stunt Hangar after Joe and Sebra's recommendation to check it out.  I also found a lot of engines for sale on eBay and started turning my motorcycle parts that I had just recently sold into more areoplanes and engines.

Along the way I discovered also a few of the people I knew as a kid back at the aeromodellers club and tracked down my old friend from school who I hadnt seen in 29 years!  Funnily enough, he was just getting back into flying and building as well.  So now in 2007, here we are back where we were 30 years ago going flying together with our old flying buddies from the days when we were kids, only now we have 12 & 13 year old kids of our own who just happen to like building and flying as well.

The main difference is, these days there is the Internet. There is so much more information available from forums like this one and loads of online stores and good ol eBay to buy from.  The Internet really has made the world a much smaller place. I could never have dreamed I would be able to talk directly to people who design and make world class areoplanes, like Randy Smith, John Brodak, Bob Z and others. Plus I was totally freaked out when I found out I was talking to them man behind the Cox Black Widow, Larry Renger. As kids we idolised the Black Widows and Tee Dee 049s as the best 049s you could get and we saved our money hard just to buy one! I eventually got one of each and I felt like a millionaire back in 1977.

Luckily these days I'm much more wealthy and I can afford to buy lots of engines and plane kits. Yes I build kits now. But I do still scratch build too. I have a lot of ground to re-cover, and things to learn that I never did know. Remember I only got back into this about 1 year ago and each model I build is better than the last. My flying is also improving, so much so that I went to the Australian Nationals and entered in my first Control Line F2B Advanced Competition in December 2006 and came 8th out of 10 entrants.  I feel like a kid again, and some of the questions I ask here might seem like I'm a kid, but that is because I am asking about things I should have learned then I was 14 or 15. It has been a steep learning curve, but I am a fast learner and I just love what I am doing now and I would have to honestly say I've never been happier in my life!

Even having my car stolen in August last year with _all_ my old Cox engines from when I was a kid and 6 of my best models including the old Flite Streak Junior hasn't phased me. The support I received from fellow aero modellers, one of them being Larry Renger (who sent me a generous care package from the USA), gave me the strength to continue on and strive for excellence in control line building and flying...

Anyway, thats enough of that... here's a pic of some of my models taken today while cleaning up the garage.

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Re: What an age we're in for U-control!
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2007, 07:18:56 AM »
Warren that is one great story.  Glad to have you back and don't ever grow up.  Too bad that we are on opposite sides of this great big piece of floating rock.  At the Worlds in Mincie Ind. I met a lot of people from around this great planet.  The first group was the team from New Zealand.  Quite an english accent.  Had to inform them I spoke American, so many words mean different things depending on where you are at.  As far as those youngsters, keep them going, but, don't have burn out.  Like when they get tired of practicing stunt, put them on a Bi-Slob or a good racer.  As seen as I get all of my grand kids flying I will be able to sit back and just worry about fueling-starting.  By the way planes I have seen pictures of that you have built look great.  Later,  DOC Holliday

PS:Clint glad to see you are back at it also.
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« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2007, 09:53:30 AM »
  Yeah Doc!!  It sure is nice to see you "old timers" getting back into the hobby and helping us youngsters out.  Keeping us occupied and out of trouble and such. Keep up the good work. Sorry., I won't make it to VSC again this year. VD~ ??? :P

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Re: What an age we're in for U-control!
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2007, 04:20:32 PM »

Hey Warren,


Nostalgia ain't what it used to be!


Cheers


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Re: What an age we're in for U-control!
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2007, 06:15:08 PM »
Hey Marvin, speaking of going places...Are you coming down to Tulsa for our Collecto next week?  Note. we have moved the location to about 1/4 mile South of the flying field and the community center.  Hope to see you there.
 
I agree that there are lots more advantages, kits, engines, tool, etc. for the control line flier now.  However, here in Tulsa, we have lost all of the hobby shops that carried our goodies.  If it were not for the internet, or catalogs, we would still be in the dark ages. HB~>
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Re: What an age we're in for U-control!
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2007, 08:40:41 PM »
  Yeah Doc!!  It sure is nice to see you "old timers" getting back into the hobby and helping us youngsters out.  Keeping us occupied and out of trouble and such. Keep up the good work. Sorry., I won't make it to VSC again this year. VD~ ??? :P

  Bigiron

Hope it is not health related, but, you know you are missed every time you and the wife don't show up.  Later,  DOC Holliday
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« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2007, 08:57:12 PM »
Have a look at my Master C/L Link Site.

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Re: What an age we're in for U-control!
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2007, 12:40:02 AM »
I grew up at the end of the C/L golden era. I was 5 when my Dad taught me to fly C/L in 1964. We had a Ringmaster Jr with a Hope 19 on a UReely, which in the wind of Chicago was a very good set-up. I still have the model.

Dad bought a whole bunch of Veco kits mail order and built them all, two Warriors which I inherited, a Squaw, and a Smoothie. He also built a Magician, and two modified Shark 45's. I built Flying Clowns. We went from old Japanese engines like the Hope's and OS's to Torpedo's and McCoy's and then Super Tigre's.
 
Dad quit in about '71, but helped me a little in 1/2A speed. Finally I was the only one flying, and went for cars and girls, oh, and full sized airplanes. Sig, Top Flite and Carl Goldberg held up the C/L banner for years, but when I got back into C/L in the early eighties there was the Top Flite Gieseke Nobler and Sig Chipmunk for stunters. The rest were profile fun ships. I flew my old stuff, and then built some leftover Midwest profiles.
 
Finally, the Sig Magnum came out, and I bought a C/L ST46 and an ST 60 new for a song at Hobby Shack (People). By the time I got to a point to build, the Magnum was never finished but I built my own design with the help of a renewed cottage industry in the late eighties. That was the beginning of the new golden era. We now have a lot of choice and enjoy a very robust hobby. I'm glad to see it.

For those that worry about the new and young entries to the hobby, just teach your kids. Mine even will stop playing video games to build and fly. It is just a matter of a little discipline and desire to learn new stuff. CA glue helped modeling more than any one thing in the history of modeling IMO. If a kid can frame up a profile in a couple of hours, after his video break after lunch, he'll want to see how far he can get again. I started all of my kids young, and they all flew as much as they wanted, I never made them. My youngest is now soloed and wants to fly Scale, though he also wants to do stunt maneuvers. He is ten, so he'll be interested for about 6 more years. In this time period he has more selection in this hobby than at any other time.

He is in the new golden era.

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« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2007, 05:51:17 AM »
  I flew some in the late '60s,but mostly watched as my father and teammates flew fast combat around the midwest. Spent many weekends in dayton,cincinnati and even chicago(NATS).My fathers stuff "disappeared" out of a friends garage in the early '70sso we were out of flying.
  Two years ago I bought a COX PT-19 just to see if the old man could still fly.That was one fathers day,well not only could he still fly ,but I saw a sparkle in his eyes that had been lost for many years.We went to the NATS that year,he ran into Howard Rush(flew together in combat years ago).Shortly after that he ordered 2 kits from THE COREHOUSE to see if he could still handle a combat ship.Although they aren't built yet I hear every time we are together how he's sure he can.
   I also fly with and R/C club(as a C/L member)and have seen 3 of those guys whose still enjoy C/L.

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Re: What an age we're in for U-control!
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2007, 07:17:29 AM »
Chris,

You're right about the CA Glue.  When it first came out, nobody believed it was any good. "Too brittle" all the old hands said. It was frowned upon as R/C plane glue.  I'm not sure of the culture there in the USA but here in Oz the Control Line guys back in the 70's used to think the R/C guys were all dummies... more money than sense... that sort of thing. Most of the guys I flew with as a kid still fly control line and they still love their Aeroflyte C23 glue.

Me, I like to use Fast cure CA because it allows me to build very quickly. I also use thick CA which gives me time to put things in place and still work reasonably fast whereas C23 is good for glueing wing sheeting, fusealge doublers, bearers and wings into place without the need for epoxy.  It dries in about 20 or 30 mins. I think you guys call it Ambroid cement or something like that. Not sure if it the same thing.

This is a good thread.

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« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2007, 07:55:41 AM »
Warren, I saved your picture; always looking for color scheme ideas.  That Jr. Nobler is really nice.  You Aussies are great folks, just like Texans.            Glen
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« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2007, 05:23:46 PM »
Thanks Glen.

I find the Tower Hobbies catalogue that gets sent to me regularly is a great source of inspiration for colour schemes. That's where I got the idea for the Jnr Nobler colour scheme. You wont find a plane in there with that color scheme though, it just gives me ideas.

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Re: What an age we're in for U-control!
« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2007, 12:15:42 PM »
When I was 10 in 1963 I started out with a Cox Piper Cub with an .049 engine that my dad had bought at Schaefer’s hobby in the heart of St. Louis. After all of the wrecks, the glued wings, popped rubber bands holding the engine together I was able to fly the thing all the way thru to an empty tank. Then I was able to graduate to a Flight Streak, I was able to pick it out from a multitude of airplanes on display at Schaefer’s. I was luck in that my dad used to fly control line with Art Schaefer when they were kids. Plus Art kept a lot of CL kits there and a multitude of engines. My dad helped me build the Flight Streak, it was powered by a Fox 25, we had two, my dad built a Flight Streak also and it was powered by the other Fox 25. we used to fly at the part at Arsenal and River De Pere off of a softball diamond. I could not believe how the big Flight Streak, compared to the Cox, flew it was like a Cadillac compared to the plastic model. It was a pure joy to fly! Soon I was doing wingovers and loops. Then we had to quit flying at that par in the fall because they put up soccer goals right in the middle of our flight path! That is when we started going to Buder Park and started flying there. It was the hay day of modeling for me. I saw others flying bigger planes so back to Schaefer’s for another airplane, this time a full bodied plane, a Barn Stormer! It was pretty cool but it did not fly that well, but I was getting better at building. The next plane Art suggested was a Magician, that was a cool plane to build and it flew good but my dad scrimped on the engine, he bought a bunch of Stallion 35s from mail order. I think out of the 5 he bought only one ran decent. So after all of my begging my dad bought me my first Fox 35. I had to do all kinds of chores to pay for that one, but it was well worth it. We broke it in right, dad wanted to make sure I did not ruin his big money investment! Put it in the Magician and what a difference! At this time I met Ted Wintermann and with his help I soon learned the pattern. After that I built a number of magicians and Noblers, it was a pretty cool time, I can still remember all the airplanes hanging in the basement, our work bench, building benches, my dads and mine side by side. Searching the internet I see there are a lo more choices out there now for control line than there are at the hobby stores. But there was something about going to Schaefer’s and drooling over the counter at my next engine purchase, just 4 more grasses to cut and I can get that cool looking OS Max 35 or Super Tigre 35.

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« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2007, 03:49:32 PM »
Well I will say it Amen to the second golden age of C/L modeling.  I just turned 61 the other day, back in 1956 I got a Firebaby and an OK Cub .049.  During the sixties when I was in high school and the military I lived through and totally enjoyed the glory day of the first golden age.  Like many others my age we moved up to RC and that is where I stayed for the next 25 years, there was a complete break from model airplanes to bring up some kids and earn some money.  Well I grew tired of RC, I just could not take the hastle of trying to find a place to fly and then I rediscovered C/L and it's been a blast ever since.

To all my fellow friends these are the good old days. y1
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Re: What an age we're in for U-control!
« Reply #15 on: February 25, 2007, 12:35:57 AM »
>Hey Warren,
>Nostalgia ain't what it used to be!
>Cheers
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Harry, IMHO, that's only HALF the quote:

Nostalgia ain't what it used to be, but, then, it never was...!

(Comment first heard about MAD Magazine, in the 1960's or so.)

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« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2007, 05:08:58 PM »
 #^ #^i was at the ripe old age of 12, when i had my first baby clown, that looked like "charlie the chimp built it!!!! and not only did the
constuction leave a lot to be desired, but the covering looked like a nursing home for 100 year old's!!!!!! oh it was pittyful!! but i was proud of it!!
i had a OK CUB on it, that i could barely keep runnig! ah yes---those were the days of "hot rock handles", "torp 35", noblers, quickers, mcoy 60
with exhaust throdle controls, baby bee's, polka dot, and checkerd silk, testers dope, johnson 35, ect,ect,ect!! ah yes, we had a ball back then.
i droped out of u/c for about 30 years, then came back, only to find out that the industry played a nasty trick on me!!! they changed every thing on me!!! i came back and said,..."when did they start using 46's and 60"s???? oh well, now that im back awhile, i'm up to speed on all the latest
equipment(planes still look like the same chimp built them), but i'm having a ball. i will never leave the hobby again

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« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2007, 12:22:59 AM »
Michael,

Thanks for stirring up memories. I was in St Louis from '64 to '73. The old St Louis Yellow Jackets met in the basement of Art's Mother and Father. And, of course we all flew at Buder. I still have many friends in St Louis and enjoy my infrequent visits.

It is unfortunate that so few hooby shops can give sound and honest CL advise these days. (Dan McEntee is one of the few)

I also will never forget the name of the Pub that was next to Art's old shop in South St Louis..."I'm at the Office"!
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Re: What an age we're in for U-control!
« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2007, 07:28:33 AM »
I ain't *quite* as ancient as some of our members, but I did get started, sorta, back in the '50s.

*Today* has the great benefit of modern glues, laser cutting and very, very easy to run engines. Things are definitely easier for us to use and be involved.

The *Old* days, however had REAL hobby shops, and a park on *almost* every corner where someone would be flying a C/L plane.  The ease of participation was greater, but the *ease* of building and such was less.  A trade off.
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« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2007, 07:35:07 AM »
Talking about Parks, I've been flying in local parks here, because I'm allowed to... but the general public generally have no regard what I'm doing. They jusy come on walking into my circle or start kicking a ball near my models, or start setting up cones for goal kicking practice or whatever.  Because the "strings" are so fine they just dont see them and think I'm flying RC or something.  I decided to get my own cones so I can mark off my flying area and now most people do the right thing and stay out of my way.
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« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2007, 05:35:31 PM »
Good Point.....lots of parks and schoolyards, but no safe circles..I always drag the wife or a buddy to run defense..law siuts aint cheap!!

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« Reply #21 on: February 28, 2007, 12:37:25 PM »
I remember a time when our club was flying off a paved area and an "Idiot" came roller skating and listening to his music with earphones on.  He came with in 10 feet of me while I was flying a Fox 35 stunter.  The music was so loud I could hear it over the Fox.  Wonder who would have been at fault?
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« Reply #22 on: February 28, 2007, 04:20:32 PM »
Depends on how good his lawyer would be..lol ~^

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