The Bayou Blizzard (Bon Hiver)

[Mike Griffin]

I live just outside of New Orleans.  There is 8 inches of snow in my front yard and it is still snowing hard, whiteout conditions.  Snow just looks crazy on palm trees.  They are calling this the Bayou Blizzard of 25.
Bon Hiver.

Mike

[john e. holliday]

What happened to global warming.  I still have about 6 inches of snow/ice.   Temps below freezing for a week now.  Come on summer time.   As Dad always told me, "at least in the summer when you get too hot you can sit in the shade and cool off".

[Perry Rose]

Two days after the storm and the major highways are still closed. I'll just stay on the first or second lieutenant roads

[Arlan McKee]

The company I work for has a laboratory in Marrero. They measured 10 inches there. I remember taking pictures of the snow beneath the palm trees when I was in Marrero  back sometime around 2006/2007 when it snowed for the first time in decades, but that was just a dusting.

[Jim Svitko]

What happened to global warming.  I still have about 6 inches of snow/ice.   Temps below freezing for a week now.  Come on summer time.   As Dad always told me, "at least in the summer when you get too hot you can sit in the shade and cool off".

The term "global warming" is now "climate change" in order to better explain every weather abnormality, no matter what the season of the year is, or what the abnormality is.

[Brett Buck]

The term "global warming" is now "climate change" in order to better explain every weather abnormality, no matter what the season of the year is, or what the abnormality is.

   It's only "climate change" when it  is abnormally hot, if it is abnormally cold, that's just weather. Unless you point that out to someone, in which case, "we predict more extreme weather", in which case abnormally cold weather is *also* an indication of climate change.

    When we have extreme "climate change" events, you will note that it says things like "this is the hottest it has been since 1921!". Meaning it was hotter in 1921 than now.

        Brett

p.s. being from California, I have heard this entirely circular/non-falsifiable, er,  "reasoning" for about the last 20 years incessantly. Particularly the last few weeks - when the "climate change emergency" apparently makes it take more than a year to repair a small tear in a piece of plastic over a pond, for which you have to drain it completely, not fix it for a year, then not fill it up for fire season (Santa Ynez reservoir - a potable water reservoir installed long ago to provide emergency fire-fighitng water for Pacific Pallisades , which just burned down) or that we are trying to keep an "endangered" fish alive by - very unnaturally - keeping the Sacramento River flow rate much more consistent that it ever was before we go here. Used to, the river would flow a bunch in the winter and spring, then almost dry up in the summer and fall. This caused massive floods, so we put in dams and levees and made it much more constant, and could use it as a reliable source for irrigation and drinking water.

    But even that was not enough for the apparently suicidal delta smelt, so to try to keep them alive we flow water out of the reservoirs, taking a huge fraction of the rainwater and snowmelt that waxes and wanes on a 5-8 year cycle and pouring into the Sacramento River to keep the flow rate up in the summer and fall. And not building any more storage capacity despite enormous money allocated to do that. Far from it; a few months ago, our beloved Maximum Leader Gavin Newsom was bragging about how he was instrumental in removing a bunch of dams on smaller rivers to remove capacity and thus allow salmon to use these rivers again. Salmon are *not* endangered.

   On the other hand, we have spent 30+ billion dollars ln a high-speed rail that voters approved to go from LA to San Francisco in 2 hours. Of course, there is no high-speed train, nor the tracks for it, and its not going to go from San Francisco and Los Angeles ever, its going to go from one small town to another small town in the central valley, if it ever actually exists at all ,and ill cost at least $109 billion with no defined completion data even for that small segment. You can currently get a plane ticket from San Francisco to LA or Burbank for $79 on most days and it takes about 45 minutes.

p.s. I looked it up, the snowfall in New Orleans - which is definitely unusual - was not a new record, it is the same as another freak blizzard in 1895. No one at the time suggest that we dismantle modern civilzation. Also - I predict that you can find someone, somewhere, that will claim the 1895 snowstorm proves that "climate change was already happening 130 years ago! And They did *nothing* about it, making the problem much worse and exacerbating the crisis!"

[Mike Griffin]

   It's only "climate change" when it  is abnormally hot, if it is abnormally cold, that's just weather. Unless you point that out to someone, in which case, "we predict more extreme weather", in which case abnormally cold weather is *also* an indication of climate change.

    When we have extreme "climate change" events, you will note that it says things like "this is the hottest it has been since 1921!". Meaning it was hotter in 1921 than now.

        Brett

p.s. being from California, I have heard this entirely circular/non-falsifiable, er,  "reasoning" for about the last 20 years incessantly. Particularly the last few weeks - when the "climate change emergency" apparently makes it take more than a year to repair a small tear in a piece of plastic over a pond, for which you have to drain it completely, not fix it for a year, then not fill it up for fire season (Santa Ynez reservoir - a potable water reservoir installed long ago to provide emergency fire-fighitng water for Pacific Pallisades , which just burned down) or that we are trying to keep an "endangered" fish alive by - very unnaturally - keeping the Sacramento River flow rate much more consistent that it ever was before we go here. Used to, the river would flow a bunch in the winter and spring, then almost dry up in the summer and fall. This caused massive floods, so we put in dams and levees and made it much more constant, and could use it as a reliable source for irrigation and drinking water.

    But even that was not enough for the apparently suicidal delta smelt, so to try to keep them alive we flow water out of the reservoirs, taking a huge fraction of the rainwater and snowmelt that waxes and wanes on a 5-8 year cycle and pouring into the Sacramento River to keep the flow rate up in the summer and fall. And not building any more storage capacity despite enormous money allocated to do that. Far from it; a few months ago, our beloved Maximum Leader Gavin Newsom was bragging about how he was instrumental in removing a bunch of dams on smaller rivers to remove capacity and thus allow salmon to use these rivers again. Salmon are *not* endangered.

   On the other hand, we have spent 30+ billion dollars ln a high-speed rail that voters approved to go from LA to San Francisco in 2 hours. Of course, there is no high-speed train, nor the tracks for it, and its not going to go from San Francisco and Los Angeles ever, its going to go from one small town to another small town in the central valley, if it ever actually exists at all ,and ill cost at least $109 billion with no defined completion data even for that small segment. You can currently get a plane ticket from San Francisco to LA or Burbank for $79 on most days and it takes about 45 minutes.

p.s. I looked it up, the snowfall in New Orleans - which is definitely unusual - was not a new record, it is the same as another freak blizzard in 1895. No one at the time suggest that we dismantle modern civilzation. Also - I predict that you can find someone, somewhere, that will claim the 1895 snowstorm proves that "climate change was already happening 130 years ago! And They did *nothing* about it, making the problem much worse and exacerbating the crisis!"

https://www.nola.com/news/weather/new-orleans-breaks-1865-snow-record/article_3f7fe10c-d834-11ef-8d8c-67f79c2d7755.html

[Mike Griffin]

https://www.nola.com/news/weather/new-orleans-breaks-1865-snow-record/article_3f7fe10c-d834-11ef-8d8c-67f79c2d7755.html

[Mike Griffin]

This is a satellite image of the Louisiana Gulf Coast and the large lake in the center of the image is Lake Pontchartrain.

[Perry Rose]

This storm is just as crippling as the 3 to 4 feet of snow New England got back in 1978. The snow is 90 percent melted in my yard today.

[bill bischoff]

Blah blah blah climate change this, blame all the politicians, yadda yadda yadda. I guess that means all the snow that has fallen since Tuesday is Trump's fault.

[Dan McEntee]

Blah blah blah climate change this, blame all the politicians, yadda yadda yadda. I guess that means all the snow that has fallen since Tuesday is Trump's fault.

  It's the beginning of the next ice age, that all of "science" and the "experts" were calling for back in the early 70's!! It's just coming a little late!! I remember that quite well. The winters back then were colder that what we had been getting, so it fit in with someone's agenda to get some more federal funding for more useless research.
   Type at you later,
  Dan McEntee

[Gary Dowler]

   It's only "climate change" when it  is abnormally hot, if it is abnormally cold, that's just weather. Unless you point that out to someone, in which case, "we predict more extreme weather", in which case abnormally cold weather is *also* an indication of climate change.

    When we have extreme "climate change" events, you will note that it says things like "this is the hottest it has been since 1921!". Meaning it was hotter in 1921 than now.

        Brett

p.s. being from California, I have heard this entirely circular/non-falsifiable, er,  "reasoning" for about the last 20 years incessantly. Particularly the last few weeks - when the "climate change emergency" apparently makes it take more than a year to repair a small tear in a piece of plastic over a pond, for which you have to drain it completely, not fix it for a year, then not fill it up for fire season (Santa Ynez reservoir - a potable water reservoir installed long ago to provide emergency fire-fighitng water for Pacific Pallisades , which just burned down) or that we are trying to keep an "endangered" fish alive by - very unnaturally - keeping the Sacramento River flow rate much more consistent that it ever was before we go here. Used to, the river would flow a bunch in the winter and spring, then almost dry up in the summer and fall. This caused massive floods, so we put in dams and levees and made it much more constant, and could use it as a reliable source for irrigation and drinking water.

    But even that was not enough for the apparently suicidal delta smelt, so to try to keep them alive we flow water out of the reservoirs, taking a huge fraction of the rainwater and snowmelt that waxes and wanes on a 5-8 year cycle and pouring into the Sacramento River to keep the flow rate up in the summer and fall. And not building any more storage capacity despite enormous money allocated to do that. Far from it; a few months ago, our beloved Maximum Leader Gavin Newsom was bragging about how he was instrumental in removing a bunch of dams on smaller rivers to remove capacity and thus allow salmon to use these rivers again. Salmon are *not* endangered.

   On the other hand, we have spent 30+ billion dollars ln a high-speed rail that voters approved to go from LA to San Francisco in 2 hours. Of course, there is no high-speed train, nor the tracks for it, and its not going to go from San Francisco and Los Angeles ever, its going to go from one small town to another small town in the central valley, if it ever actually exists at all ,and ill cost at least $109 billion with no defined completion data even for that small segment. You can currently get a plane ticket from San Francisco to LA or Burbank for $79 on most days and it takes about 45 minutes.

p.s. I looked it up, the snowfall in New Orleans - which is definitely unusual - was not a new record, it is the same as another freak blizzard in 1895. No one at the time suggest that we dismantle modern civilzation. Also - I predict that you can find someone, somewhere, that will claim the 1895 snowstorm proves that "climate change was already happening 130 years ago! And They did *nothing* about it, making the problem much worse and exacerbating the crisis!"

You deserve an award for this one Brett!  Absolute brilliance! Problem is that everything you just posted, while absolutely true,  probably got you put on a hit list as a potential enemy of the state of the peoples republic of california.  LOL

Gary

[john e. holliday]

Has anybody considered the orbit of our piece of space rock as it orbits the sun.   How long does it really take to orbit the sun?  I thought I remembered someone back in the 50's and 69's saying the Earth was closer to the sun than normal at times during the year when it is hot and further away during cold times.  This why we have seasons and sometimes the seasons don't agree with the orbit of our path.   But I do remember back in the 59's of heavy snow falls during the winter because my Dad and a co-worker were out plowing roads most of the time. 

[Brett Buck]

Has anybody considered the orbit of our piece of space rock as it orbits the sun.   How long does it really take to orbit the sun?  I thought I remembered someone back in the 50's and 69's saying the Earth was closer to the sun than normal at times during the year when it is hot and further away during cold times.  This why we have seasons and sometimes the seasons don't agree with the orbit of our path. 

   The orbit is 365.25 more or less and over our lifetimes you can assume that it has not changed. But the earth's orbit around the sun is not quite round, so the rate at which it moves is not constant, and the distance to the sun varies over the year. It is slightly closer to the earth in winter, being the closest in early January, and furthest away in early July (this year it reaches maximum distance on July 3rd). So it is furthest away in the middle of the summer in the Northern Hemisphere. The difference is about 3%, 94,000,000 miles vs 91,000,000 miles.

   The effect is at least interesting, and detectable in some cases, for instance, satellite using solar arrays have the least power at the maximum distance (apohelion). Undoubtedly it affects the weather but there are many more far more powerful effects going on at the same time.

      Brett

[Dave_Trible]

Has anybody considered the orbit of our piece of space rock as it orbits the sun.   How long does it really take to orbit the sun?  I thought I remembered someone back in the 50's and 69's saying the Earth was closer to the sun than normal at times during the year when it is hot and further away during cold times.  This why we have seasons and sometimes the seasons don't agree with the orbit of our path.   But I do remember back in the 59's of heavy snow falls during the winter because my Dad and a co-worker were out plowing roads most of the time. 

Yes John I remember many big heavy snows all winter long when I was a kid.  Everybody had sleds and we put high mileage on them!  Tubing down hills was a big deal on the snow too.   We just got a big snow like that-first time in years.  Most winters now have few snows and pretty small ones by any comparison.  There have been a couple in recent memory where there was hardly any.   I can say without doubt things ARE different now than it was just 30-40-50 years ago in terms of the weather here in the central US.  Our flying seasons are actually longer now but also I think we have a prolonged very windy spring where it is hardly flyable on a regular basis until the middle of June.   That seems sort of new too as is flying right up until early December.  Label it what you will but there is no doubt it IS different than it was a generation ago.

Dave

[Dan McEntee]

Yes John I remember many big heavy snows all winter long when I was a kid.  Everybody had sleds and we put high mileage on them!  Tubing down hills was a big deal on the snow too.   We just got a big snow like that-first time in years.  Most winters now have few snows and pretty small ones by any comparison.  There have been a couple in recent memory where there was hardly any.   I can say without doubt things ARE different now than it was just 30-40-50 years ago in terms of the weather here in the central US.  Our flying seasons are actually longer now but also I think we have a prolonged very windy spring where it is hardly flyable on a regular basis until the middle of June.   That seems sort of new too as is flying right up until early December.  Label it what you will but there is no doubt it IS different than it was a generation ago.

Dave

     It is pretty much the same for me where I live, and we are close to the same age. Our life span and what the weather/climate has been is just a teeny, tiny blip in the great scheme of things. You can check records and see what the weather was like before we were born for an equal amount of time and see differences and changes, and for a like amount of time before that!! Who the hell knows what it will be like over the next 80 to 100 years!!??  The Earth doesn't have a thermostat !!! There is nothing controlling temperature and nothing controlling Earths place in space. I like to ask the climate freaks, "What makes you think there is any reason to expect the earth's temperature and climate to stay the same and never change on it's own?" We know that the regions around the big deserts in North Africa were once lush rain forests. Similar huge differences all over the planet. I don't think that man had anything to do with those!! If what we do in our everyday lives had anything to do with moderating the climate and earth's temperature, we would be able to figure out a way to control it and do what we want!! It's all driven by money!! And all the people screaming the loudest, know the least about what they are talking about but stand to benefit from their agenda the most!.

   Now, back to hibernating!
    Type at you later,
   Dan McEntee

[Ken Culbertson]

Label it what you will but there is no doubt it IS different than it was a generation ago.
Dave

It is called Climate Change and it has been doing it for as long as there has been an earth.  I was a geology major at Ohio State back in the late '60s.  It was the consensus among the professors that we were headed into a new Ice Age.  By the year 2010 Michigan and all points north would be under ice.  The lunatic fringe had not taken over yet so it was considered natural. They (the fringe) were over on the other side of campus protesting. Next time you drive through some limestone mountains just look at the rocks.  Every line is a period of climate change.  We didn't invent it, can's stop it and clearly don't understand it.

Ken

[Brett Buck]

It is called Climate Change and it has been doing it for as long as there has been an earth.  I was a geology major at Ohio State back in the late '60s.  It was the consensus among the professors that we were headed into a new Ice Age. 

  Here is the global temperature record over cenozoic time (since the end of the dinosaurs), generally down leading to the current condition. We are in a ice age and cycling back and forth, most recently hitting the low end of the cycle 10,000 years ago and coming back up.



I am still looking for the same record for phanerozoic time (since life began appearing commonly in the fossil record, 600 million or so years), which, while previously a common and uncontroversial bit of information in any geology book, is suspiciously hard to find a clear plot of on the internet now. What it shows is that while it wnet up or down, the earth has generally been substantially warmer throughout that time, peaking out in the early Triassic 250 million or so years ago, maybe 20-30F higher than now with temperature peaking in the center of Pangea thought to be something like 150F.

   What has been happening recently is the anomaly, and while it's very likely there were occasional ice ages that cycled back and forth like now, since complex life evolved, this is about as cold as it has ever been and the sea level is as low as it has ever been. Right now is the anomaly, warmer is the norm.

     Brett

[Ken Culbertson]

Right now is the anomaly, warmer is the norm.
     Brett

Thank You, but please don't tell Al Gore.  The more I think about it my professors may have had some reason to project doom on Michigan.  We were at Ohio State and it was after all Michigan.

Just try and convince a millennial that we are returning to normal. 

Ken

[Dan McEntee]

It is called Climate Change and it has been doing it for as long as there has been an earth.  I was a geology major at Ohio State back in the late '60s.  It was the consensus among the professors that we were headed into a new Ice Age.  By the year 2010 Michigan and all points north would be under ice.  The lunatic fringe had not taken over yet so it was considered natural. They (the fringe) were over on the other side of campus protesting. Next time you drive through some limestone mountains just look at the rocks.  Every line is a period of climate change.  We didn't invent it, can's stop it and clearly don't understand it.

Ken

  The one, major telling thing about all of this is, as much as the climate whackos scream and holler and yell "trust the science", they really don't teach science in schools these days!! They have no clue! Not like what you and I were taught when we were school age. I learned a lot about this through grade school and into high school. I have always had an interest in geology and collected rocks and fossils, but never had any specific, formal training in it, and I knew all of this that you mentioned!! Just from attending private and public schools grades one through twelve!! And a few trips to the book mobile thrown in. I think they prey on this with the younger generations because they have no idea about any of this and would never question what they are told and sold! It just make you wonder and fear for what the future brings for us all!!??
   Type at you later,
   Dan McEntee

[Paul Smith]

Michigan beat Ohio State.  Does that make Michigan the National Champion?
Does anybody actually believe that people can change the climate of the world (Earth)?
Does anybody actually believe that if they did they could change it back?
How does "global warming" relate to ice and snow in the CSA?

[Ken Culbertson]

Michigan beat Ohio State.  Does that make Michigan the National Champion?

No.