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B52 Stratofortress Quick Dispatch
« on: April 27, 2020, 11:24:08 AM »
Ran across this video and It reminded me of watching these magnificent birds take off 50 years ago when I was stationed at Clark Air Force Base  in the Philippines.  This is freedom in action. 



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Re: B52 Stratofortress Quick Dispatch
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2020, 12:08:22 PM »
I think we have a few members on this forum that flew those magnificent birds.  Going to a contest in Wichita KS years ago one was coming in for a landing.  I thought it was going to fall out of the air it looked so slow.   Thanks for the video. H^^
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Re: B52 Stratofortress Quick Dispatch
« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2020, 01:10:47 PM »
Thanks for sharing!  Having served as Weapons Safety Officer on Minot AFB for almost 7 years, I can't begin to tell you the mixture of emotions every time the klaxxons sounded and observing the countless crews scrambling out of the alert facility and other areas of the base where they may have been to man their aircraft.  The immense cloud of thick dark smoke that filled the air and within minutes we could observe a squadron of B-52's and KC-135's heading out for the "elephant walk"!!  Yet at the same time knowing that countless numbers of GI's, their families and innumerable civilians all praying they didn't have to leave the base on mission.

I thank The Father for allowing me to be part of a hugely successful and professional organization and for sharing a career with some absolutely wonderful people from some of the (I say this with respect and affection) "Crusty ol' Bird Colonels" to the myriads of officers and NCO's I served with.  I had a ball!!

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Re: B52 Stratofortress Quick Dispatch
« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2020, 01:16:56 PM »
  WOW,Mike I sure do thank you for that, it reminds  me of my tour in Amarillo A F B , Texas, Nov 18 60 to Nov 17 64, if memory serves we had the B 52 D  MAN those things are NOISY!!  I had a reunion with 5 of the guy's that I served with 49 years after we got out, damn that was a GREAT reunion, hope to have some more..  Again thanks...
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Re: B52 Stratofortress Quick Dispatch
« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2020, 01:24:39 PM »
Thanks Mike, They are impressive.
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Re: B52 Stratofortress Quick Dispatch
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2020, 02:13:19 PM »
This still gives me goosebumps and raises those old emotions in me.

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Re: B52 Stratofortress Quick Dispatch
« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2020, 03:08:29 PM »
Thanks Mike for that great video. I had the honor and pleasure of a close up tour of one at Dover AFB last summer. What a magnificent aircraft. Ed.

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Re: B52 Stratofortress Quick Dispatch
« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2020, 09:07:39 PM »
Thanks for the Video Mike.

What an incredible airplane the B-52 has been for a life time!

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Re: B52 Stratofortress Quick Dispatch
« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2020, 09:50:46 PM »
Me? Line Backer II B52-Ds and Gs, Guam, 1972-73, 1980-84 Retired on B52Gs, Structural Repair Specialist, Fabrication Branch Chief, Eaker AFB, AR 1984-87. BTW, (almost forgot) I experienced a total of 4 "touch and go's" From the "jump seat" of a B52D Guam, 82.  My OIC, Major Jim Gardner was one of the check pilots and made the remarkable opportunity for me to ride along. (Long Story)  H^^
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Re: B52 Stratofortress Quick Dispatch
« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2020, 09:55:08 PM »
   I don't think I have ever seen video of one starting up. Are those Kaufman starters on the engines? Cartridge starters or whatever they call them?  B-57 bombers used those also I think? Looks like they tried to fire all 8 engines at once in the beginning, then a ground crewman looks like he changed out a cartridge on one of the starboard engines? And that pitot tube cover sure did give them a lot of trouble. I couldn't figure out what the crewman was doing at first but it looks like it was designed to kind of get catapulted off with a long piece of elastic? Lots of questions but like I said this is the first time I have ever seen a start routine on one.
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Re: B52 Stratofortress Quick Dispatch
« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2020, 10:14:54 PM »
B52H models a Barksdale AFB, LA. (in the video) Don't know about now, but "back in the day," If a "cart start" failed on alert, the failure would be reported, clear up to the Pentagon. It's hard to believe that the newest B52Hs on active duty (only ones left ) were manufactured in 1962, 58 years ago.  H^^
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Re: B52 Stratofortress Quick Dispatch
« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2020, 10:35:10 PM »
This has triggered some special memories for me. I had the great good fortune to fly as a “extra” crew member on five separate B-52 missions during 1968-69. I was not a member of SAC but the 93rd Bomb Wing, 328th Bomb Squadron, Castle AFB provided my unit with B-52’s (F & G models) to conduct some special long-range reconnaissance missions. The first three were relatively short training missions, 4- 5 hours duration as I recall. Strapped into the EWO seat where my equipment was mounted, there wasn’t much to see. Missions 4 & 5 were LONG, #5 at 20+ hours.

Being low man in the pecking order, on the long flights the only time I had a “seat” was when I was on duty. Otherwise I had to find some dark corner to hide out in and try to get some rest. I recall wiggling myself under an equipment rack with about 18” overhead clearance to try to nap. Had to stuff my flight jacket under me to insulate myself from a hot bleed-air tube that passed under my shoulder. My legs hung down over the edge of the hatch to the lower deck where Nav & Bomb Nav lived. Could only last till my legs went to sleep. The only place to stand upright was downstairs in front of the honey bucket.

Experienced several air-to-air refuelings, some during the day, some at night and I have some great pictures to prove it. The most memorable was somewhere just south of the Aleutians at around 0100 in pitch black night. 25,000 feet. No visibility up or down. I was off duty and could take a kneeling position aft of the IP seat with a view out the windshield. The air was perfectly smooth with no sensation of motion even though I could see 225 knots showing on the airspeed indicator. We crawled up under the tanker which was lit up on it’s under side by its own spot lights to make it easy to see. The boomer had the boom hung down out in front of our windshield. It had a ring of colored marker lights showing around the valve. I can clearly remember seeing that ring of lights creeping closer and closer to the windshield till I almost felt I had to duck. It finally went up overhead and clunked into our receptacle to start the fuel flow. The whole experience of locating the tanker, approach, refueling and departure took the better part of an hour as I recall. The experience that night is without qualification the most spectacular thing I have ever witnessed in an airplane. I’m still awe-struck.

This is the condensed version, I could go on. Thanks for letting me share. I feel better now.

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Re: B52 Stratofortress Quick Dispatch
« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2020, 10:54:31 PM »
Well I'll be dang.
I remember that particular bird (balls 58) when i was stationed at Castle AFB in good old Atwater CA back in 73 to 75.9 I was a 2 then 3 striper back then.
Used to both work and fly on those birds especially when bomb comp came around.

I remember getting the first G and H models that came in from being modded with the EVS system ( the 2 bulbous things under the nose)
around 74ish. Electro-optical Viewing System. I used that system (don't tell ANYONE this) to set up the wing/fuselage and horiz. tail
on both my jet speed models at the time. My models never had to have any correctional input once I got into the speed pylon back then.

yes, they were noisy beasts but I use to love watching them take off and land when ever they flew.

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Re: B52 Stratofortress Quick Dispatch
« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2020, 01:58:38 AM »

      I was a weapons mechanic 416 MMS SAC    74-78    BB stack er bomb  loader what ever you want to call it . I had a great time. I can tell you one thing sure made you grow up real fast.
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Re: B52 Stratofortress Quick Dispatch
« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2020, 07:26:29 AM »
   I don't think I have ever seen video of one starting up. Are those Kaufman starters on the engines? Cartridge starters or whatever they call them?  B-57 bombers used those also I think? Looks like they tried to fire all 8 engines at once in the beginning, then a ground crewman looks like he changed out a cartridge on one of the starboard engines? And that pitot tube cover sure did give them a lot of trouble. I couldn't figure out what the crewman was doing at first but it looks like it was designed to kind of get catapulted off with a long piece of elastic? Lots of questions but like I said this is the first time I have ever seen a start routine on one.
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The B-57's were an early design, before the turbo-jet start carts were available.  So they set up for always using one cartridge per engine and, to my knowledge, ever upgraded.

The KC-135 had a D-tube leading edge that was pressurized from all four engines.  So once it was pumped-up, it went stagnant and didn't waste energy.  But during starting, any engine could be used to crank the other three.  So it only too ONE cartridge or a ground cart to start all the engines.   We used the cartridges for Alert response, but always used the ground cart for routine starting.  I guess if we did a mass launch with not enough ground carts to go around, we would have used cartridges, too.
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« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2020, 08:41:15 AM »
That brings back memories. I was also in SAC but I worked on B-47's. Pretty impressive to see an ORI  in progress. They had 15 minutes to have all alert aircraft in the air. So We would watch them launch.  A take off was accomplished with R.A.T.O. units. Lots of flame and smoke. As to the results of an ORI. The base commander literally has his butt on the line for that exerdise. Failure would make another impromptu visit . Another failure would have another Colonel arriving as the new base commander. Fortunately we never did have a failure. It was more fun  and less stress when I went to PACAF to work on F-105's




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B52H models a Barksdale AFB, LA. (in the video) Don't know about now, but "back in the day," If a "cart start" failed on alert, the failure would be reported, clear up to the Pentagon. It's hard to believe that the newest B52Hs on active duty (only ones left ) were manufactured in 1962, 58 years ago.  H^^
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Re: B52 Stratofortress Quick Dispatch
« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2020, 10:28:07 AM »
Long ago Ft Hood was co located with an AF base....now called Gray Army Airfield and is joint use with city of Killeen as a commercial airport

Back a decade or so, BUFFs from Tinker would do pilot training here....and as a former mechanic and pilot I could usually hear and see the trainee screw up, and IP shout "I Have The Controls!!!" as all engines went into max Military Power and the impending STALL  was averted

BTW we no longer get any BUFF missions as most of the remaining birds are on Diego Garcia poised for mid east or China duty....pity, as even without the drama,  they are impressive to watch

We still get monthly C-17 and C-5 training missions....for some reason the C-17s swing wide well away from my micro ranch while the C-5s turn right directly above my ranch house....Wife and I love the sound of freedom....and my 5 dogs sit at my feet as the monsters passes over head....I know they are well above 125knots...but a sure appear to be nearly stationary
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Re: B52 Stratofortress Quick Dispatch
« Reply #17 on: April 28, 2020, 11:26:45 AM »
October 62 Grand Forks AFB, ND.  POL Maint. working on the refueling ramp under factory fresh B-52Hs.  Saw the alert pad birds fire up and depart and head north several times during that period.  Sobering thoughts that you are standing on the bulls eye and both sides have their fingers on the trigger.

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« Reply #18 on: April 28, 2020, 01:59:04 PM »

 While I was stationed at Amarillo we had one almost go into Hwy 66, as it ran off the runway, it sank up to the belly, and of course as a lower ranking enlisted we had to pull guard duty until it was removed , those were the days..!!
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« Reply #19 on: April 28, 2020, 02:00:51 PM »
 
  This reply is for Ty Marcucci we also had a Navy weather plane cart wheel down the run way on the wing tips, and another stint of guard duty...
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Re: B52 Stratofortress Quick Dispatch
« Reply #20 on: April 28, 2020, 05:08:07 PM »
Tonight the Smithsonian channel is airing an episode on the B-52 at 20:00 Eastern time. Ed.

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Re: B52 Stratofortress Quick Dispatch
« Reply #21 on: April 28, 2020, 08:21:18 PM »
Way back in 1954, the Navy had one for testing. The wings could not be folded and no place to place a tail hook, gave it back. LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~

Still, an amazing machine. Saw my first one in 1977 at March AFB as it took off, right at me.  I was in my new, less than 100 miles on it, car and thought that weird noise was coming from under the hood. Then I saw it. Holy &&^%. But it lifted over me and the high way. Talk about huge as it passed over head.... y1 y1 y1 H^^

You old "Chief!" You had me going in the first part of your sentence. Your planes would land (controlled crash) at our field on a regular basis. After they left, the speedy dry would still be laying on the ramp for days.  S?P
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« Reply #22 on: April 28, 2020, 09:14:59 PM »
Tonight the Smithsonian channel is airing an episode on the B-52 at 20:00 Eastern time. Ed.

I watched it.
What an amazing bird

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« Reply #23 on: April 28, 2020, 09:54:24 PM »
Don't ask how I came by the pictures...I will tell you a lie. ::) In the last picture, notice under "caution," "flux valve." that's been up graded to a new "flux capacitor."  ;D  Sorry about the side-ways pictures...too much trouble to go back and fix them. Tilt your head. H^^
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Re: B52 Stratofortress Quick Dispatch
« Reply #24 on: April 29, 2020, 11:45:23 AM »
The first pic is OK.  Click on link below pics to get them up right..   The question that just came to mind, was there a latrine on those big birds? ???
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« Reply #25 on: April 29, 2020, 07:52:04 PM »
The first pic is OK.  Click on link below pics to get them up right..   The question that just came to mind, was there a latrine on those big birds? ???

The D-Models had two "pots," one forward and one aft in the tail for the tail gunner, there were also relief tubes at some stations. The G's and H's, as best I remember, only had one pot, (no tail gunner station) from what I understand, they were very tough to use, cramped quarters.
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« Reply #26 on: April 29, 2020, 08:17:17 PM »
AND usually, the first one that used it had to take care of it when they landed.  IIRC
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« Reply #27 on: April 29, 2020, 11:29:14 PM »
AND usually, the first one that used it had to take care of it when they landed.  IIRC

Yep! "Ancient Chinese custom!"   ;D
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Re: B52 Stratofortress Quick Dispatch
« Reply #28 on: April 30, 2020, 08:00:28 AM »
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Re: B52 Stratofortress Quick Dispatch
« Reply #29 on: April 30, 2020, 10:22:04 AM »
Mike I plan to watch the fly overs tomorrow and I am watching in anticipation, it sure does bring back memories!!!
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« Reply #30 on: April 30, 2020, 10:29:28 AM »
please get video I love those monsters and miss them I my area
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Re: B52 Stratofortress Quick Dispatch
« Reply #31 on: April 30, 2020, 11:58:03 AM »
Mike I plan to watch the fly overs tomorrow and I am watching in anticipation, it sure does bring back memories!!!

"Memories?" I remember "strut juice." What is strut juice, you may ask? Well there are four pylons (two under each wing) with two jet engines hanging on each one. The pylons were "affectionally" referred to by many as "struts." These struts are configured in a "swept forward" design with a major portion of their structure aft of the two engine's exhaust. (see where this is going?) Due to vibration, exhaust carbon and extreme heat, problems with loose fasteners, skin cracks and corrosion were, to say the least, never in shortage of attention. Most times the Structural Repair Technician (sheet metal Dude) wasn't afforded the luxury of having the area cleaned (by the bird's crew chief) before making needed repairs. This is where the strut juice came into play. The oily residue, mixed with the soot and other forms of stuff that leaked from the engine, that accumulated there, would "tattoo" your hands, arms, face, whatever came into contact with the struts. At the end of any shift...it wasn't hard to figure out who was working on struts that day. Memories? Yeah I have a lot about my years on B-52s...she was and still is a magnificent flying machine. I was proud to have help maintain them.
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