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Title: ARGO, Another new ride!! MORE PHOTOS!
Post by: Avaiojet on November 16, 2015, 06:11:45 PM
Two days without sun. Took the photos today. I'll Post more photos after The Voice. The wife makes me watch The Voice.

Title: Re: ARGO, Another new ride!!
Post by: Mark Scarborough on November 16, 2015, 08:00:04 PM
so it looks pretty good,,
how much does it weigh?
where did the CG come out?
when are you going to fly it
Title: Re: ARGO, Another new ride!!
Post by: Randy Ryan on November 16, 2015, 08:11:54 PM
Nice Charles!!!d  Aggressive looking. Looks like a full bodied Clown.
Title: Re: ARGO, Another new ride!!
Post by: RC Storick on November 16, 2015, 08:50:33 PM
Turned out good Charles
Title: Re: ARGO, Another new ride!!
Post by: Avaiojet on November 16, 2015, 09:15:09 PM
Thanks for the kudos. I'll get around to responding.

I have plans for the ARGO II.


Title: Re: ARGO, Another new ride!!
Post by: Glenn (Gravitywell) Reach on November 16, 2015, 09:44:53 PM
With that exposed, upright motor, it gives it a real old-timey feel to her.  Beautiful.  and I am very appreciative that you took the time to put the Canadian flag first....just as it should be! H^^
Title: Re: ARGO, Another new ride!!
Post by: fred cesquim on November 17, 2015, 02:20:58 AM
awesome job Charles, really!
beatiful vintage lines and top level finish!
Title: Re: ARGO, Another new ride!!
Post by: Perry Rose on November 17, 2015, 04:26:42 AM
20 points in my book and another one for the polished muffler.
Title: Re: ARGO, Another new ride!!
Post by: Dick Pacini on November 17, 2015, 06:15:13 AM
When did you build this plane, Charles?
Title: Re: ARGO, Another new ride!!
Post by: goozgog on November 17, 2015, 07:34:38 AM
OOOOOooooooooo!!!!!!!  ....  NICE!
Title: Re: ARGO, Another new ride!!
Post by: john e. holliday on November 17, 2015, 08:12:13 AM
Am I blind?  No Old Glory on there.
Title: Re: ARGO, Another new ride!!
Post by: PerttiMe on November 17, 2015, 09:26:34 AM
I love it!
... cannot tell the difference between good and great finish - but the proportions and lines of the design really appeal to me.
Title: Re: ARGO, Another new ride!!
Post by: Bill Adair on November 17, 2015, 11:07:17 AM
I had to look for it. Old Glory is right below the canopy, on the right side of the fuselage.

Bill
Title: Re: ARGO, Another new ride!!
Post by: john e. holliday on November 17, 2015, 02:08:19 PM
Thanks, thought the old eyes were going on me.   Looks nice I hope it flies as well as it looks.
Title: Re: ARGO, Another new ride!!
Post by: builditright on November 17, 2015, 02:29:44 PM
Wow! Charles now that's a spicy meat-a-ball

I really like the clean look of it and think I ought to hire you to
 do some graphics for my next prototype kit whatcha tink

I can clearly see your up to the task but the real question is...
are you willing to help me..
Title: Re: ARGO, Another new ride!!
Post by: Avaiojet on November 17, 2015, 03:13:44 PM
so it looks pretty good,,
how much does it weigh?
where did the CG come out?
when are you going to fly it

Mark,

Not all that shabby for aerosol cans. Gotta love those aerosol cans.

Weighs the same as my Pathfinder, 55 oz and change. 53" is the span of the ARGO.

I plan on building an ARGO II, which I believe will be much lighter than this one. 5 or 6 ounces possibly.

The CG is right on the money.

Thanks for the reply.

Charles
Title: Re: ARGO, Another new ride!!
Post by: Avaiojet on November 17, 2015, 03:22:31 PM
With that exposed, upright motor, it gives it a real old-timey feel to her.  Beautiful.  and I am very appreciative that you took the time to put the Canadian flag first....just as it should be! H^^

Glenn,

No one noticed the engine in the nose isn't suppose to be there.  LL~

I pulled the Scorpion motor out and added beams plus a few other things to fit the OS LA .46.

I sold the motor and some collets.

I almost put the engine on it's side. I'm glad I kept it upright.

Scott Reise muffler. it comes polished.

Thanks for the kudos and the reply.

Charles
Title: Re: ARGO, Another new ride!!
Post by: Paul Wood on November 17, 2015, 04:01:12 PM
Beautiful job Charles! You certainly have a good eye for colors and patterns. Your years of artwork really shows. Well done.

Paul
Title: Re: ARGO, Another new ride!!
Post by: Gerald Arana on November 17, 2015, 04:07:38 PM
Two days without sun. Took the photos today. I'll Post more photos after The Voice. The wife makes me watch The Voice.



Charles,

Love those colors! y1 Great looking ship. Let us know how she flies.

And "The Voice"? Oh you pooor man......... I can't stand that show. But for those that do, oh well..... ???

Jerry
Title: Re: ARGO, Another new ride!!
Post by: Mark Scarborough on November 17, 2015, 05:02:16 PM
Charles,

Love those colors! y1 Great looking ship. Let us know how she flies.

And "The Voice"? Oh you pooor man......... I can't stand that show. But for those that do, oh well..... ???

Jerry
I enjlythe voice a LOT,, its worlds better than americas got talent, or x factor or,,,
Title: Re: ARGO, Another new ride!!
Post by: Avaiojet on November 18, 2015, 05:13:06 AM
Quote
Beautiful job Charles! You certainly have a good eye for colors and patterns. Your years of artwork really shows. Well done.

Paul

Paul, that's right! Thanks for the reminder.  LL~

I keep forgetting I make my living as a graphic designer and commercial artists. Only a lifetime of it, and I still work!

"Gotta love it when a plane comes together."

Thanks for the kind words, it's really appreciated.

A few more photos.

Charles
Title: Re: ARGO, Another new ride!!
Post by: Avaiojet on November 18, 2015, 08:12:07 AM
When did you build this plane, Charles?

Dick,

I probably took it for granted that "everyone" knew where this plane came from and how it developed.

There are many new members that may not know my work or this particular plane or even know the plight of Avaiojet, for that matter.  LL~

Sooooooooooooo, Here's all or most of the links related to this plane. How it started, how it progressed, changes, more changes, and even more changes,  LL~, and now the finished product.

You may want to read Post #134 at the "New American" Thread. It's informative.

http://stunthanger.com/smf/cfc-graphics/new-american-build/

"IC to "E" Thread.

http://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php/topic,34230.0.html

Might be another Thread or two here and there, related to the same plane.  LL~

Charles

P.S.

There will be an ARGO II.

Title: Re: ARGO, Another new ride!!
Post by: RC Storick on November 18, 2015, 09:27:53 AM
https://youtu.be/DoxFUsOYUq0

Message to people who wish to bash Charles
Title: Re: ARGO, Another new ride!!
Post by: Randy Ryan on November 18, 2015, 10:12:48 AM
Good message Robert, thanks.

Can I send you a few pics and descriptions of my rib cutting method?
Title: Re: ARGO, Another new ride!!
Post by: George Albo on November 18, 2015, 11:17:42 AM
Love it. The color scheme is beautiful!
Title: Re: ARGO, Another new ride!!
Post by: Avaiojet on November 18, 2015, 11:32:04 AM
Love it. The color scheme is beautiful!


George,

Thanks for the complement. My wife chose the colors. Honest!

Thanks for the reply.

Charles
Title: Re: ARGO, Another new ride!!
Post by: Carl Cisneros on November 18, 2015, 12:14:28 PM
Charles

GREAT looking ride buddy.  H^^ H^^

The top picture in the above post #20 reminds me of a Disney Character in the Cartoon movie Planes. Just need the eyes on the canopy, you already have a nice little smile there. Love it.

Damn, wish I had your patience.

Carl
Title: Re: ARGO, Another new ride!!
Post by: RC Storick on November 18, 2015, 12:58:05 PM
Good message Robert, thanks.

Can I send you a few pics and descriptions of my rib cutting method?

Please do I am always willing to learning new stuff.
Title: Re: ARGO, Another new ride!!
Post by: Avaiojet on November 18, 2015, 12:59:22 PM
Charles

GREAT looking ride buddy.  H^^ H^^

The top picture in the above post #20 reminds me of a Disney Character in the Cartoon movie Planes. Just need the eyes on the canopy, you already have a nice little smile there. Love it.

Damn, wish I had your patience.

Carl


Carl,

Thanks for the kind reply.

Ya gotta just love those Disney movies.

Now that you mentioned it, I never really noticed that scoop as a smile. Great observation.  H^^

Be interesting, if the ARGO was a Disney character, what is he's smiling at?
 
"Patience."

I don't know about patience, but what I do have is dedication to a great hobby.  ;D

Thanks again for the kind reply.

Charles

Edited, photo added.


Title: Re: ARGO, Another new ride!!
Post by: Tom Niebuhr on November 18, 2015, 01:36:43 PM
Charles,
Great looking airplane. To me it looks like the All American Sr. was a big influence.

Aerosol cans?? What kind of paint did you use?

Did you see my comments to you on my "Ragtime" e-stunter?
Title: Re: ARGO, Another new ride!!
Post by: Avaiojet on November 18, 2015, 04:54:48 PM
Charles,
Great looking airplane. To me it looks like the All American Sr. was a big influence.

Aerosol cans?? What kind of paint did you use?

Did you see my comments to you on my "Ragtime" e-stunter?

Tom,

Yes, I replied to your comments on the "Ragtime." You must go take a look at what I said.  #^

Yes again, I used the All American as a guide in designing the New American. Interesting reasons for that.

Yes, hey! three yes's in a row.

Yes, I used only aerosol cans, Krylon, for the entire model except, the airbrushing of the silver metalic around the canopy outline.

Aerosol can for the clear coat also. 2K Spray Max. I keep forgetting who told me about two part clear being in an aerosol can. Otherwise I would give credit. Rusty Rattlecan gets the trophy for convincing me to use aerosol cans. Hats off to Rusty.  H^^

Yes, the finish is floorless. I'm kidding!  LL~

So there. Now you know all my secrets, which BTW, I've talked about with tons of Threads and a few models.  LL~

"There are no secrets!"

Tom,

Thanks for the kind reply

Charles
Title: Re: ARGO, Another new ride!!
Post by: Tom Niebuhr on November 18, 2015, 05:30:43 PM
Charles,

I said more after your post on the "Ragtime"  It was referring to you and Shultzie. And... paint schemes.

BTW the "Argo" is much better looking than the All American.
Title: Re: ARGO, Another new ride!!
Post by: Avaiojet on November 18, 2015, 07:01:28 PM
Charles,

I said more after your post on the "Ragtime"  It was referring to you and Shultzie. And... paint schemes.

BTW the "Argo" is much better looking than the All American.

Tom,

I'll have to find that "Ragtime."

Post here again and include a "link" to "Ragtime."

I like the ARGO, I have plans for a second.  the ARGO II.

Post that link!

Charles
Title: Re: ARGO, Another new ride!!
Post by: Glenn (Gravitywell) Reach on November 18, 2015, 10:05:45 PM
Jeeze Charles...the more I look at that plane, the more I think you should send it to me for testing! H^^  Gol-dang she's pretty.
Title: Re: ARGO, Another new ride!!
Post by: Avaiojet on November 19, 2015, 05:52:45 PM
Jeeze Charles...the more I look at that plane, the more I think you should send it to me for testing! H^^  Gol-dang she's pretty.

Glenn,

Your way too kind. And you're in Canada!

Charles
Title: Re: ARGO, Another new ride!!
Post by: PerttiMe on November 20, 2015, 08:53:46 AM
A technical question, as I did not quite follow the long threads about this:
How did you go about designing the airframe? Drew it from scratch, or did what I would do and picked an existing design with good proportions and adjusted shapes to please?
Title: Re: ARGO, Another new ride!!
Post by: Avaiojet on November 20, 2015, 10:02:28 AM
A technical question, as I did not quite follow the long threads about this:
How did you go about designing the airframe? Drew it from scratch, or did what I would do and picked an existing design with good proportions and adjusted shapes to please?

PerttiMe,

I taped the plans to the SR All American to my wall.

Changed a few of the moments and I had The "New American" drawn on paper before I drew it in CAD for laser cutting.

I must say, it was a really big hit.  LL~

I never liked it from the beginning and I made plenty of mistakes with it. Old heavy balsa from Balsa USA and the model was well overbuilt. Foolish 3/32 overdone wing sheeting and there's more but unnecessary to go into it.

IC to E, is where the changes came about. I actually gave those changes some thought.

You should view the Threads when you have a complete day with nothing to do.  LL~

I like the ARGO. I will build a second, ARGO II.

With improvements and contest grade wood.

Thanks for the reply.

Charles

Title: Re: ARGO, Another new ride!! MORE PHOTOS!
Post by: Avaiojet on November 21, 2015, 07:05:47 AM
For those interested, thanks for taking a look.

Title: Re: ARGO, Another new ride!! MORE PHOTOS!
Post by: Dane Martin on November 22, 2015, 12:10:35 AM
Absolutely amazing job Charles. This is extremely impressive work. Not just the finish, the wood work is great also. It's just damn good all the way around!
Title: Re: ARGO, Another new ride!! MORE PHOTOS!
Post by: Avaiojet on November 22, 2015, 03:22:04 AM
Absolutely amazing job Charles. This is extremely impressive work. Not just the finish, the wood work is great also. It's just damn good all the way around!

"Great" Dane,

5:11 AM and I gotta walk the wife's dog. Bummer!

Kind and inspiring words, thank you. Makes me want to quit work on everything else I have going  and get the ARGO II started.

Thanks for the kind reply.

Charles
Title: Re: ARGO, Another new ride!! MORE PHOTOS!
Post by: Bill Smith on November 22, 2015, 07:59:06 AM
Beautiful work!!!
Title: Re: ARGO, Another new ride!! MORE PHOTOS!
Post by: Avaiojet on November 23, 2015, 03:21:24 PM
Beautiful work!!!

Bill,

Just got around to seing your reply. Thanks for stopping in for the look. I hope you viewed each and every photo.  LL~ LL~

And read all the replies. I'm kidding! Just Kidding!

I'm happy with the way the model came out especially with the simplicity of the color scheme.

Put some time into that.

Thanks for the reply.

Charles



Title: Re: ARGO, Another new ride!! MORE PHOTOS!
Post by: Avaiojet on November 25, 2015, 11:51:01 AM
Charles, Would you please link me to where you get the 2K Spray Max clear ?

Bad,

Gee, I don't normally share my secrets.  LL~ LL~ LL~

This product is 2K Spray Max. Sold by many retailers. Might want to shop for price.

Some auto body suppliers sell it also. Pay no shipping there.

Hey! Thanks for those kudos on the ARGO. I'm waiting on kudos from the other 4950 modelers that belong to Stunt Hanger.  LL~ LL~

Charles

Forgot to place the link.

http://search.eastwood.com/search?w=2k%20high-gloss%20clearcoat%20aerosol
Title: Re: ARGO, Another new ride!!
Post by: Avaiojet on November 25, 2015, 07:40:12 PM
awesome job Charles, really!
beatiful vintage lines and top level finish!


Fred,

Thanks for the kind reply.

Your flag is there!

Only flag I did two of was Great Britian.

Every flag represents a different Country.

Thanks again.

Charles
Title: Re: ARGO, Another new ride!!
Post by: Avaiojet on November 26, 2015, 08:22:23 PM
awesome job Charles, really!
beatiful vintage lines and top level finish!


Fred,

I just saw your reply to the ARGO.

Painted outside with aerosol cans, so the finish isn't perfect but I can live with it.

I wanted something really simple but different. I didn't want a scheme that looked like I copied it from some NASCAR or something I found on line.

The flag thing, that's been on my mind for years, decided to use it on this model.

I'll have international flags on the ARGO Series II also. I'm currently finishing the design and drawings of that model.

Thanks again for the kind reply.

Charles


Title: Re: ARGO, Another new ride!! MORE PHOTOS!
Post by: Scott B. Riese on November 27, 2015, 12:33:44 PM
And I just discovered sandpaper......... :-\ :-\

Way KEWL
Title: Re: ARGO, Another new ride!! MORE PHOTOS!
Post by: Avaiojet on November 27, 2015, 12:48:09 PM
And I just discovered sandpaper......... :-\ :-\

Way KEWL

WOW! Scott B Riese!  BW@

Thanks for the clever kudos. It's appreciated.

Gotta tell you Scott, your custom made mufflers make any model look cool!

Tightest shot I have of your great muffler.

Thanks for the reply.

Charles

edited for sp.
Title: Re: ARGO, Another new ride!! MORE PHOTOS!
Post by: Steve Helmick on November 27, 2015, 11:25:50 PM
Scott uses jeweler's rouge and cat fur to polish his mufflers. He has to alternate from one cat to another, because they have a better memory than you'd expect.  ;)  LL~ Steve
Title: Re: ARGO, Another new ride!! MORE PHOTOS!
Post by: RC Storick on November 30, 2015, 02:10:23 PM
Charles,
                  What kind of tape do you use for masking ? That's been one of my biggest problems with trying to get a decent paint job...

Use 3 M fine line and a good quality masking paper tape.
Title: Re: ARGO, Another new ride!! MORE PHOTOS!
Post by: Avaiojet on November 30, 2015, 03:58:07 PM
Use 3 M fine line and a good quality masking paper tape.

"The Good, the Ugly and the "Bad.""

Bad,

Robert is right on the money. As always BTW.  BW@

I use all 3M or this other brand for the dark blue plastic tape.

Dark blue for corners and the 3M green for straight lines and large corners.

1/8" and 1/4" are always my friend. Yellow high stick for masking where needed.

Gotta make sure yout paint sticks.

I do little masking for graphics because I sell vinyl graphics. I don't enter contests, but you can place at the NATS with graphics provided by CFC Graphics. A proven fact!

The ARGO. All those black stripes are vinyl. Don't tell anyone.

Charles
Title: Re: ARGO, Another new ride!! MORE PHOTOS!
Post by: JIM Nordin on November 30, 2015, 04:09:55 PM
Glad then2K rattle can clear worked for you !!
Title: Re: ARGO, Another new ride!! MORE PHOTOS!
Post by: Avaiojet on November 30, 2015, 06:52:19 PM
Glad then2K rattle can clear worked for you !!

Jim,

Thanks for the reply.

Yes, I've been raving about aerosol can finishes since I did the Flite Streak 007 Skyfall and the P-40.

Rattle can Rusty talked me into it and, I believe, but I could be wrong, it may have been Dennis Toth who used the 2K Spray Max on his El Diablo, and introduced this brand of high gloss clear to me.

For the kind of models I build, giving little thought to competing in contests, the finish is passible for outside spraying.

Rattle cans and this 2K clear, sprayed in a controled area, and the results would be much better.

Photos do wonders.

Thanks again for the reply.

Charles

P.S.

Jim,

All these models were painted with aerosol cans and the 2K Spray Max clear.

"Edited."

The ARGO II.

Just got the ARGO II on it's legs.




Title: Re: ARGO, Another new ride!! MORE PHOTOS!
Post by: Wynn Robins on January 13, 2016, 04:06:16 PM
gotta love your paint schemes - you have  good eye for colour and details

gorgeous looking models !
Title: Re: ARGO, Another new ride!!
Post by: Chris McMillin on January 13, 2016, 10:41:35 PM
How many flights did it take for you to determine the CG is right on the money.
Chris...

Mark,

Not all that shabby for aerosol cans. Gotta love those aerosol cans.

Weighs the same as my Pathfinder, 55 oz and change. 53" is the span of the ARGO.

I plan on building an ARGO II, which I believe will be much lighter than this one. 5 or 6 ounces possibly.

The CG is right on the money.

Thanks for the reply.

Charles
Title: Re: ARGO, Another new ride!! MORE PHOTOS!
Post by: Avaiojet on March 06, 2016, 10:21:41 PM
gotta love your paint schemes - you have  good eye for colour and details

gorgeous looking models !

Wynn,

Just saw your reply, sorry I'm late in responding.

Thanks for the compliment.

"I choose my colors wisely." That's close to a line in an movie. 

As far as details, I wanted a scheme that was really different and I have this thing for International flags, so I incorporated the flags into the design and the name.

This model came out a bit on the heavy side for it's size, all those construction changes.

I plan on doing better with the ARGO II, Casino Royale 007. That model will be lighter.

Here's the ARGO II, I have a Thread on the ARGO II.

Thanks for the kind reply.

Charles

Title: Re: ARGO, Another new ride!! MORE PHOTOS!
Post by: Avaiojet on March 09, 2016, 07:11:02 AM
I ordered silk yesterday for the ARGO II from Dharma in CA. I've used their silk before.

Dharma's silk feels much thinner than the Sig Silk I have.  The Sig silk I have says Heavy Duty? I never noticed that before. Unused because it's dark blue, I was saving it for a model with the exposed blue silk color.

Now I'm not sure I should use it because it's Heavy Duty?

Charles
Title: Re: ARGO, Another new ride!! MORE PHOTOS!
Post by: Ara Dedekian on March 09, 2016, 09:39:33 AM
 

       Charles

             The side view of the ARGO gets me thinking of a Wyvern.

       Ara
Title: Re: ARGO, Another new ride!! MORE PHOTOS!
Post by: Avaiojet on March 09, 2016, 09:46:54 AM
Ara,

Great aircraft to model, and it's been done!

I have started drawing the model in my drawing program.

I will build one, and soon.

I don't see the ARGO there though?

Charles
Title: Re: ARGO, Another new ride!! MORE PHOTOS!
Post by: jim on March 17, 2016, 10:30:02 AM
Two days without sun. Took the photos today. I'll Post more photos after The Voice. The wife makes me watch The Voice.



This build is amazing.How does one build something so great looking and real looking?WOW. CLP** CLP** CLP**
Title: Re: ARGO, Another new ride!! MORE PHOTOS!
Post by: Avaiojet on March 29, 2016, 02:36:06 AM
This build is amazing.How does one build something so great looking and real looking?WOW. CLP** CLP** CLP**

Jim,

I haven't looked at this Thread in eons. I got an e-mail telling me I didn't respond to your Post.

Nice comment, but what exactly are you referring to?

Be interesting to know before I reply.  LL~

Just want to get it right.

Charles
Title: Re: ARGO, Another new ride!! MORE PHOTOS!
Post by: Glenn (Gravitywell) Reach on March 29, 2016, 10:49:23 AM
I've been wondering what the heck kas happened to you.  What have you been working on and where's the pictures? %^@ H^^
Title: Re: ARGO, Another new ride!! MORE PHOTOS!
Post by: Avaiojet on March 29, 2016, 02:41:32 PM
I've been wondering what the heck kas happened to you.  What have you been working on and where's the pictures? %^@ H^^

Glenn, my only Poster.  LL~

Ya gotta dig in a bit, I'm here and there.

Thing is, I get "bumped" quickly, so I'm never out front.  LL~

I have the Gee Bee Z, almost ready for primer. The ARGO II is framed, almost ready for covering.

There's photos someplace, I'd have to look.

I have the Stuka Tank Buster almost ready for another color. I put a photo of that up today over at Paint and Finishing.

I have this other "thing" going, but it's in hiding, like the Mystery Ship. They kept that aircraft hidden.

Oh! Speaking of the Mystery Ship, I started mine. The wing is completed, There was a photo of that someplace.

Hard to keep track when you get buried quickly under other Threads. %^@

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Glenn, thanks for the reply, grab yourself a coffee and please do a bit of digging.  D>K

Hey! Did you see the Luftwaffe Camo thread over at "Scale?" Take a look!

Charles