Anyone know about this model from 1962 Nats?

[James C. Johnson]

I was reading.. again and found this to kind of interesting from AAM Nov 1962..







Jim

[Howard Rush]

I was there, but I don't remember.  Worse yet, I'm changing the subject.  Seeing Bob Watts and "jet" in the caption reminded me of Bob Watts's jet stunter.  It didn't stay lit, and it crashed, but it was really cool.  Doc will remember it. 

[Will Davis]

I think this is the same Design, Just a different version , seen at 2007 Brodak's . John had another model that was Medium  Blue Metallic that I did not get a picture of .

[Mike Keville]

I was there, too (as a Free Flight contestant) but did see the CLPA entries.  It's probably best if we don't discuss who actually built and finished Junior entrant Gerry Cipra's metallic blue Nobler.    >:Ds

[Elwyn Aud]

Looks a bit like this one. I don't remember the name but Allen Brickhaus might.

[Howard Rush]

Sure looks like it.  The last picture clears up another mystery.  In the previous picture, I couldn't tell whether he was wearing a shirt that was too short with a T-shirt under it, or whether he had pulled up his underpants to compensate for the short shirt.  The last picture shows that he is actually wearing a complicated shirt.  Thank you for that clarification. 

[Richard Grogan]

Sure looks like it.  The last picture clears up another mystery.  In the previous picture, I couldn't tell whether he was wearing a shirt that was too short with a T-shirt under it, or whether he had pulled up his underpants to compensate for the short shirt.  The last picture shows that he is actually wearing a complicated shirt.  Thank you for that clarification. 

Good catch Howard! I've been known to use that trick, but not intentionally!    Kind'a dead give away with a white tee shirt...

[Will Davis]

This is the other model that John had in his car . The pictures were taken the same day. I remember that something was said about it being the 23 pointer plane , but did not catch what the meaning of this was.

Both models are original finsihed in the 60's .I took a very close look at the planes , unbelievable finish and details on both . At first glance I  thought they were new unflown  models, but at closer inspection they had all period fasteners , wheels , etc. They were old planes that had been very well taken care of.

You really had to see them to believe how nice they were, they would be front row quality . 

Below are a couple  pictures including Watt Moore , John Havel  and Allen Brickhaus  and a couple closeups of the  adjustable leadout , it had a hatch  on the  bottom of the wing to allow the end of the leadout  to be pulled into the wing and then moved to new leadout position in wing , Different and very well done 

[Richard Grogan]

WoW! This guy really did a fine job. And to think the dope didn't even crack.Amazing! Must have been stored in some kinda enviromental controlled facility.They're just a few years younger than me; I have lots of cracks! 

[James C. Johnson]

Further reading, I found that John Havel won the 1963 Nats Testor's Best Finish with his Folkerts Special and that the plane was "totaled" during the second round of the 1964 FAI fly offs in Milwaukee, WI. Noted flyers were Gialdini, Kostecky, McFarland, D'Otavios, Gieseke..  and Charlie Reeves..

I located two Havel's in Ohio that may be the same guy..

JJ

[john e. holliday]

Well James you beat me to the punch.  I have a set of plans from a chap on the other side of this world that sent his plans for the Folkerts.  Will get around to it one of these years.  DOC Holliday