Author Topic: AMA number? (Read 3154 times)

Paul Taylor · « **on:** February 27, 2013, 06:57:36 PM »

I have seen the AMA number on the wing and the side of the fuse. Can you put your number on the rudder if you have the room?
I know it has to be 1 inch.

Thanks!

Allen Brickhaus · « **Reply #1 on:** February 27, 2013, 07:06:37 PM »

AMA numbers must be at least 1" high and can be on the outboard wing panel/flap or both fuselage sides and both rudders sides.

Allen

Paul Taylor · « **Reply #2 on:** February 27, 2013, 07:47:28 PM »

Thanks Allen!!

Brett Buck · « **Reply #3 on:** February 27, 2013, 08:42:15 PM »

Quote from: Allen Brickhaus on February 27, 2013, 07:06:37 PM

AMA numbers must be at least 1" high and can be on the outboard wing panel/flap or both fuselage sides and both rudders sides.

Allen

For stunt competition. It can be anywhere in or on the airplane for compliance with the safety code for sport flying.

Brett

Derek Barry · « **Reply #4 on:** February 28, 2013, 04:51:44 AM »

The AMA rule for CLPA is clear:

" 2.3. All models shall be identified by the contestant’s AMA license number permanently affixed to the upper side of the right-hand lifting surface or to each side of the fuselage or vertical stabilizer. The height of numerals shall be at least one (1) inch (25.4 mm). Both stroke and width shall be such to enable ready recognition. It is suggested that the letters USA (25mm [1 inch] or higher) be placed at least once on the model."

peabody · « **Reply #5 on:** February 28, 2013, 05:31:15 AM »

For "sport" flying, I believe that the AMA numbers may be written on a piece of paper and installed inside the model?

Derek Barry · « **Reply #6 on:** February 28, 2013, 08:44:32 AM »

Quote from: Ty Marcucci on February 28, 2013, 08:41:01 AM

Hi Derek. I know the rules, been a CD. But what happens, and it did, if a contestant enters and his number is on the left or inside wing and nowhre else.. There is no provision I can find to disqualify the model from competition. Make him ink it on the right or inside wing? He was NOT a sport flyer.

Hey Ty,

I figured that you knew the rule I really just posted it for everyone to see. That being said, If it were me I don't think I would DQ someone from a local contest just because the number was on the wrong wing. I would let them know that in the future they should put it on the outboard wing and that they may not be allowed at other more strict contests.

Derek

peabody · « **Reply #7 on:** February 28, 2013, 09:18:06 AM »

Seems petty....those that fly backwards have their LEFT wing outboard.
Also, is the rule applicable only when flying? A number applied to tape AFTER appearance judging, but before the flying portion of the contest for example....
Just curious...

Paul Taylor · « **Reply #8 on:** February 28, 2013, 09:34:35 AM »

I was watching one of Windy's tape one and he said he hated the rule that makes you mess up a paint job.

He tried to hide them with the ink lines.

I liked the way Al Rabe "Goasted" them in on the Red Critical Mass.

Steve Helmick · « **Reply #9 on:** February 28, 2013, 02:17:39 PM »

Quote from: Paul Taylor on February 27, 2013, 06:57:36 PM

I have seen the AMA number on the wing and the side of the fuse. Can you put your number on the rudder if you have the room?
I know it has to be 1 inch.

Thanks!

Fixed it for ya, Paul!

Paul Taylor · « **Reply #10 on:** February 28, 2013, 03:22:22 PM »

I guess I could have Steve but then we would lose some of the wonderful responses.
With the exception on this one.

Mike Lauerman · « **Reply #11 on:** March 01, 2013, 08:39:35 AM »

Sounds to have political roots.

peabody · « **Reply #12 on:** March 01, 2013, 11:33:13 AM »

Kurt Contrata did a nice job of blending AMA numbers into a paint scheme....

Mark Scarborough · « **Reply #13 on:** March 01, 2013, 12:20:38 PM »

on a technicality, if the numbers are blended, ghosted, or hidden, then they probably dont meet the "letter of the law",,
Both stroke and width shall be such to enable ready recognition.

but then I do it too, unless I can make them part of the paint scheme, I do try to minimize their impact,,

Trostle · « **Reply #14 on:** March 01, 2013, 02:42:24 PM »

Quote from: Mark Scarborough on March 01, 2013, 12:20:38 PM

on a technicality, if the numbers are blended, ghosted, or hidden, then they probably dont meet the "letter of the law",,
Both stroke and width shall be such to enable ready recognition.

There is nothing in the CLPA AMA number requirement that mentions "letter of the law". So, where is the line between what can "enable ready recognition" and that which cannot "enable ready recognition"? I would think that if it can be seen, even though it is not a predominate part of a paint scheme, then it fulfills the requirement to be readily recognized.

I have seen numbers just a "shade different" than whatever the color surrounding the number on the wing. I have also seen numbers that are just a very thin inkline, not so noticeable from more than 10 feet or so, but still quite noticeable at a distance normally experienced during the appearance judging.

Please explain how any of this would be wrong.

Keith

Mark Scarborough · « **Reply #15 on:** March 01, 2013, 03:08:27 PM »

Keith,
all due respect,, I was not saying it to be confrontational,,
I guess my take on the wording was pretty much that it leaves it pretty vague,, personally I like to make my AMA number as muted as possible and still meet what I feel is the intent,, my phrasing of " the letter of the law" was actually intended to be tongue in cheek, sorry for not making that more clear,,

I guess the point I was really trying to make is just that,, where is that delineation between readily recognized and not readily recognized,, I have airplanes where I take the base color, add a few drops of red or blue,, to paint the numbers,, its there, but it does not jump out at you,, its readily recognized "to me" but would it be to someone else,,

It really probably doesn't matter, I cannot imagine someone being bounced out of a contest for this,,

Tim Wescott · « **Reply #16 on:** March 01, 2013, 03:11:20 PM »

At one point in my latest build I was tempted to cut my AMA number out of white Monocoat to stick onto the white Monocoat wing. I would expect that after I'd had my yuks, the organizers of any contest that I entered would be perfectly entitled to toss me out on my ear.

Which is why the numbers are going to be red...

Trostle · « **Reply #17 on:** March 01, 2013, 04:00:21 PM »

Quote from: Mark Scarborough on March 01, 2013, 03:08:27 PM

Keith,
all due respect,, I was not saying it to be confrontational,,
I guess my take on the wording was pretty much that it leaves it pretty vague,, personally I like to make my AMA number as muted as possible and still meet what I feel is the intent,, my phrasing of " the letter of the law" was actually intended to be tongue in cheek, sorry for not making that more clear,,

Mark,

I did not read your post as confrontational and I apologize if I came across that way. What I was trying to say that if the number can be seen, then to me and I think most rational ED's/CD's would feel it complies with the AMA requirement. I cannot imagine any ED or CD disqualifying any stunt ship as long as the number can be seen.

Just for the record, at a Nats during appearance judging, I saw the Nats ED hand the pilot a magic marker to place the pilot's number on his "slightly modified" combat ship so he could fly it in competition. The number was then measured and the pilot had to heighten the number with that magic marker to be in compliance. The pilot is currently a good and famous stunt pilot as well as being a champion combat flier. The several people who were observing the appearance judging process found no slight amount of humor in the exercise.

Keith

Mark Scarborough · « **Reply #18 on:** March 01, 2013, 04:49:21 PM »

Quote from: Trostle on March 01, 2013, 04:00:21 PM

Mark,

I did not read your post as confrontational and I apologize if I came across that way. What I was trying to say that if the number can be seen, then to me and I think most rational ED's/CD's would feel it complies with the AMA requirement. I cannot imagine any ED or CD disqualifying any stunt ship as long as the number can be seen.

Just for the record, at a Nats during appearance judging, I saw the Nats ED hand the pilot a magic marker to place the pilot's number on his "slightly modified" combat ship so he could fly it in competition. The number was then measured and the pilot had to heighten the number with that magic marker to be in compliance. The pilot is currently a good and famous stunt pilot as well as being a champion combat flier. The several people who were observing the appearance judging process found no slight amount of humor in the exercise.

Keith

that sounds like one of our North west stunt guys, hmm I wonder,, LOL

Trostle · « **Reply #19 on:** March 01, 2013, 06:54:45 PM »

Quote from: Mark Scarborough on March 01, 2013, 04:49:21 PM

that sounds like one of our North west stunt guys, hmm I wonder,, LOL

No, not that one. This guy is in the San Francisco area. And it happened in '74.

Keith

Brett Buck · « **Reply #20 on:** March 01, 2013, 06:59:24 PM »

Quote from: Trostle on March 01, 2013, 04:00:21 PM

Just for the record, at a Nats during appearance judging, I saw the Nats ED hand the pilot a magic marker to place the pilot's number on his "slightly modified" combat ship so he could fly it in competition. The number was then measured and the pilot had to heighten the number with that magic marker to be in compliance. The pilot is currently a good and famous stunt pilot as well as being a champion combat flier.

Hmmm, that is quite mysterious, I am sure that never happened to anyone *I* know. And I certainly won't rag on him about it.

Brett

RC Storick · « **Reply #21 on:** March 01, 2013, 07:04:13 PM »

Quote from: Trostle on March 01, 2013, 04:00:21 PM

Mark,

I did not read your post as confrontational and I apologize if I came across that way. What I was trying to say that if the number can be seen, then to me and I think most rational ED's/CD's would feel it complies with the AMA requirement. I cannot imagine any ED or CD disqualifying any stunt ship as long as the number can be seen.

Just for the record, at a Nats during appearance judging, I saw the Nats ED hand the pilot a magic marker to place the pilot's number on his "slightly modified" combat ship so he could fly it in competition. The number was then measured and the pilot had to heighten the number with that magic marker to be in compliance. The pilot is currently a good and famous stunt pilot as well as being a champion combat flier. The several people who were observing the appearance judging process found no slight amount of humor in the exercise.

Keith

Howard do you have any idea who he might be talking about?

Mark Scarborough · « **Reply #22 on:** March 01, 2013, 10:35:06 PM »

Quote from: Trostle on March 01, 2013, 06:54:45 PM

No, not that one. This guy is in the San Francisco area. And it happened in '74.

Keith

well then ,, that narrows it right down

this guy builds pretty nice airplanes right?