Airon and Atom

[Robert Zambelli]

I was recently given plans for these two planes but I know nothing about them.
They do appear to be of the "Detroit Stunter" era.
Anyone here familiar with them?
I believe they both show Fox 35s as powerplants.
Thanks for any advice.
Bob Z.

ps - any idea how they compare to my Argus? (RIP)

[Dan McEntee]

   Gonna take a shot from memory here. I think both were designed by Art Pawloski ( I'm sure I butchers that last name) who I think was a member of the Strathmore club in the Detroit area and one of the promoters of the I-Beam wing. I think Bob Hunt did an article in Flying Models on this era, and the originators of the I-beam wing. parts the "planet name" and "start name " era of models from that area at that time. I think Art did the Neptune also??? Or that may have been someone else.  Bob Dailey was the inventor of the I-Beam wing I think and also from that era/area. Some young kid named Werwage used to fly with them also !!! They should be in the Tom Morris Classic era design book if you have one of those handy to check. If I get a chance yet this afternoon I may do the same.
  Type at you later,
   Dan McEntee

[Bob Hunt]

The Atom was indeed designed by Art Pawloski, and with it - as a Senior entrant - he won the Walker Trophy in 1958. The Airon was designed by Bernie Ash (an Indy based flier), but it was Jim Vornholt who had the best success with it, winning the Junior division in Stunt at the 1961 Nats (He also won Junior a year earlier in Texas with the Charles Mackey- designed, twin boom Carousel). The Neptune was a Jim Ebejer design.

Bob Hunt

[Dave_Trible]

My Atom.. Fox Gold anniversary special.35

Dave

[Dave_Trible]

Robert I guess we didn't answer your question about how it they compare to your Argus.   The Argus is a tad smaller than the Atom in wing area and it is also a bit smaller than the Ares but not too much.   The Atom preceded the Ares by a year or two and I believe that is also true of the Argus.   Mine is out of commission because I somehow got some too-soft motor mount stock and put it in.   They crush terribly when you tighten the engine down.   I think it would be easier just to built another than to attempt to replace the mounts.   Howard was kind enough to provide a set of the plans as well as a set of laser cut ribs for it.   I like the airplane but still think the Neptune might fly better.   I may still build a new one.   I haven't built the Airon but admired it like I do all the 'Detroiters'.  That rear fuse is tiny.   I think I would cover it with carbon to stiffen it and prevent flexing.  If you are into I-beam Detroiters they are all pretty sweet.   My newest is the Pawloski Lunar,   a rare one of which mine is believed to be the fourth ever built.  Thanks to Jim Hoffman for the Warren Tiart drawn plans from the original airplane.   One still on my bucket list is the Apollo.......if I could find plans.

Dave

[Warren Walker]

Hi Bob, Arts brother is a member of the Knights of the round circle and I will see him tonight
at our club meeting. If you send me a PM with your phone number I will pass it along.
W.W.

BTW the Red Baron is still hanging in my shop.

[Paul Taylor]

Hi Bob, Arts brother is a member of the Knights of the round circle and I will see him tonight
at our club meeting. If you send me a PM with your phone number I will pass it along.
W.W.

BTW the Red Baron is still hanging in my shop.

Hey Warren
Can you post a picture of the RB please. 😁

[Curare]

Robert I guess we didn't answer your question about how it they compare to your Argus.   The Argus is a tad smaller than the Atom in wing area and it is also a bit smaller than the Ares but not too much.   The Atom preceded the Ares by a year or two and I believe that is also true of the Argus.   Mine is out of commission because I somehow got some too-soft motor mount stock and put it in.   They crush terribly when you tighten the engine down.   I think it would be easier just to built another than to attempt to replace the mounts.   Howard was kind enough to provide a set of the plans as well as a set of laser cut ribs for it.   I like the airplane but still think the Neptune might fly better.   I may still build a new one.   I haven't built the Airon but admired it like I do all the 'Detroiters'.  That rear fuse is tiny.   I think I would cover it with carbon to stiffen it and prevent flexing.  If you are into I-beam Detroiters they are all pretty sweet.   My newest is the Pawloski Lunar,   a rare one of which mine is believed to be the fourth ever built.  Thanks to Jim Hoffman for the Warren Tiart drawn plans from the original airplane.   One still on my bucket list is the Apollo.......if I could find plans.

Dave

Pics! I've not heard of a Lunar before.

[Dave_Trible]

If I can crop a photo small enough …. Getting hard to do

[Robert Zambelli]

Thanks Gents, for all the good information!
I really appreciate it.
Interesting how many I-beam designs there are.
Argus, Cobra, Atom, Airon, Ballerina, and, as I recall, at least one very large one with full length strip ribs.
As soon as I get through a number of ongoing projects, I will start on the Cobra, possibly with a four stroke.
Bob Z.

[944_Jim]

Mr. Dave,
I use PixResizer on my cellphone. It helps to have a file manager to.make keeping track of the original file and reduced file easier.

Reize to pixels, or re-size to file size. I clip them to 1 MB for instant attachment here.

[Dave_Trible]

Jim thanks !   Actually I'm doing well to charge the phone.   I hate when Apple does 'updates'.   A year ago on this same photo I'd get a drop down that would ask me what size I wanted when sending picture.  That was so easy.   Then on their next update that feature went away or at least it was moved where I can't find it.  The problem is in part because the camera on the phones has gotten so good the pixel count is way too high to get photos to a certain size.   Your suggestion is a good one.   Maybe I'll look into it.  More passwords and verifying codes are why my blood pressure is high sometimes.  Trying to get into certain website things will raise my anger level faster than most things in this life.....


Dave

[john e. holliday]

My computer has a program that I use to size and load pictures.  Of course it took me a while to learn how to get pictures to post.   Seems like yesterday when I was trying to down load a picture.

[Ken Culbertson]

The Samsung A35 has a resize function that takes about 5 seconds to resize and crop a picture after you take it.  Goes from 2.5mb to about 125k and they still look great on the site.  I use my computer to upload directly off of the phone.

Ken

[Jay]

At one time Bill Little and Allen Brickhause were building the Airon. I was hoping to get a copy of the plans since I found a picture in an old 1972 magazine. 
Sadly both Bill and Allen passed before they could finish.
Jay

[Curare]

If I can crop a photo small enough …. Getting hard to do

That's a nice looking ship!

[Dave_Trible]

Thank You Greg.   I've flown it enough to get it mostly trimmed.   I really like it.   

Dave

[Steve Helmick]

If I can crop a photo small enough …. Getting hard to do

All those blades of grass make for a big file size. If you can get the owner to hold it against a simple background (sky), the file size comes WAY down. Cropping helps of course, but cutting the width to no more than 800 pixels wide is a huge help. It's about as big as you can post without having to scroll back & forth to see the entire pic.

A typical photo processing software might also allow "smudging" the lawn, but it really looks crappy from my attempts. I'm still a fan of IrfanView, and it's free...but that's assuming you're transferring your digital pics onto a computer and processing them there.  Steve

[Mark Gerber]

Fred Carnes wrote the definitive history of the early I-beamers in an article in the Nov/Dec 1998 Stunt News.

This pedigree chart shows Fred's I-beam family tree.  Sadly, there is no copy of this issue on the PAMPA website.

Mark Gerber

[EddyR]

 I know the complete history of the Aron. The plans Tom Dixon sold and the tree views in the magazine are nothing like the original model. There were three versions of it snd i had all the measurements taken off the last one. I drew up plans and sent them to Bill !ittle as he was going to build it.
 Berny Ash used the same  flaps and tail on each new model. He used many parts from one model to the next. The last one is quite large compared to the version use by the junior flyer
Eddyr

[Steve Lotz]

Are there any plans or info on the Hi-Fi other than the one picture out on the net?