Addition of a Super Seventies "SS" Event

[Jim Pollock]

Guys,

I know a lot of you are involved in the discussion on the "SS" board about the addition of some 70's planes for the classic event.  In the discussion there, it is stated that adding another event like Super Seventies at VSC would be ill advised due to the number of entrys.  My idea that is forthcoming exclused doing this at VSC and leaves classic there as it has always been flown.  O.K here is my idea.

At local and regional contest at the decision of the Contest Director.  Split Classic into two sections Phase I and Phase II.  Phase I is classic airplanes built, designed or kitted "before" the year 1960.  They must be powered by no more that a .35 sized engine, but they do get a 5-15? point bonus over Pahse II classic airplanes that can be any design after 1960 up to and including 1979.  Power can be any engine that will fly them.  I think this arraingement could help to include more modern aircraft that younger people view as "classic" in their eyes.  So, lets set up some dialog and see what we can come up with along these lines that would be the most agreable to all concerned.

My reasoning for choosing 1959 as the cut off is that separates the beginings of the larger airplanes and engines at 1960 the begining of the Shark .45 era.

Well what do y'all think??

Jim Pollock            

[john e. holliday]

Sounds logical to me, but, I think we have too many classes of stunt now.  DOC Holliday

[Jim Pollock]

Doc,

Keeps them all in the same class, just separates them into categories.

Jim Pollock

[Marvin Denny]

I Don't like it.  Why try to mickey mouse around and mess up a successful event??  All it seems is that you can't win with a plane that meets the rules and so you want to change to something that WILL give you a better chance!!!  It Won't!  If you wish to fly a plane that doesn't fit the Classic time frame,  GO AHEAD AND BUILD IT and fly it in the PAMPA classes.
  During the 70s, stunt almost died!!!  Do you want to try to kill it all over again??

  Get OFF trying to CHANGE a "Time"  or "Calendar"  era.  At contests you run,  or are involved in the qrganization of,  go ahead and drop Classic and run SS, or change the years of elligibility for the classic event, BUT BE SURE TO ADEQUATELY ADVERTISE THE CHANGES so purists can choose to skip or attend with outdated stuff.

  Bigiron

[frank carlisle]

I've put on a stunt contest at our club for the past two years. Running classic,old time and PAMPA classes is enough.

Edited to add------I don't like the tone of this thread. I think it could lead to infighting amongst us. Whenever I feel like kicking up dust I do it somewhere else.
You've posted some great stuff here Jim that has enhanced our times building and flying and talking about it. This isn't one of those.
PM me if you'd like to continue this discussion. No posted response please.

[Marvin Denny]

  Frank, this is neither confrontational NOR political!!! Jim made a valid statement and requested input.  I gave him mine.  Jim is a friend of mine, and  I respect his views and I hope he values mine.  I see nothing political nor hateful.  Do you Jim?

  Bigiron  aka  Marvin Denny

[RC Storick]

Strange, but this sounds like politics to me.......

This is not a political thread. It it just seeing if people would like to open up for more classes of stunt. If there is enough interest in this of coarse the place to disscuss it is not here but with the powers to be. We can change or add nothing on the open forums. As long as it stays in a civil tone it can fly.

[frank carlisle]

DOH!
I stand corrected.

[Jim Pollock]

Marvin,

Your dislike is duely noted.  I expected nothing less from yourself.  Please notice that I did state that it would be up to the Contest Director to decide to implement the phases, and of course it would need to be advertised very well in advance.   

Frank,

Come on buddy, nothing is political here.  I'm just airing an idea that might help younger members and flyers believe that "they are included" with airplanes they believe are "Classic" while trying to divide the phases at some logical cut-off time.  the phase cut-off is not cast in stone, it could, and now that I think about it, probably would work better with the current Dec 31, 1969 as the division date between phases.

It will all probably come to a wash anyway when all of us "old timers"  (I'm nearly 62 so I include myself) follow Bob and George to the magic circle in the sky.

Jim Pollock        

[Marvin Denny]

 Jim, I'm not going "peacefully" to that great circle in the sky.  They are going to have to drag me kicking and screaming!!!  I will NOT give up my handle--- they will have to pry it from my cold stiff fingers.

  Bigiron

[Jim Pollock]

Marvin,

ABSOLUTLEY!  I'm not going without a fight too!

Jim Pollock   

[Bill Little]

I know that a year or two ago, Tom Dixon ran "Vintage" at the Marietta/Cobb Co. Sky Rebels contest.  He used his original 25 year rolling cutoff date, IIRC.  Interesting that I do not remember a single plane entered from later than Dec. 31, 1969.  Seems they were all "Classic" legal planes and the word was put out a year in advance I think.

I would not oppose flying "Classic" and "Vintage" at the same time on the same circle.  Only one entrant per pilot.  At the end, the two classes would be split and recorded that way.  It may or may not increase participation in CLPA.  If it did, I would think that it would be a good thing!

OTS has been flown in the past with Phase I and Phase II both at the same time and broken down as proposed.

As for the VSC, I would never suggest a change or attempt to get it into the "rule book".

On the other hand, I can always build a Stiletto 660 to fly in PAMPA, or a USA-1 to fly in BOTH!   

Bill <><

[frank carlisle]

Frank,

Come on buddy, nothing is political here.  I'm just airing an idea that might help younger members and flyers believe that "they are included" with airplanes they believe are "Classic" while trying to divide the phases at some logical cut-off time.  the phase cut-off is not cast in stone, it could, and now that I think about it, probably would work better with the current Dec 31, 1969 as the division date between phases.

It will all probably come to a wash anyway when all of us "old timers"  (I'm nearly 62 so I include myself) follow Bob and George to the magic circle in the sky.

Jim Pollock        

Still buddies Jim.......I pounced way quick on that one.

In retrospect---------after all these years of VSC the original cut off dates are now themselves vintage.

[Chris McMillin]

I used to apathetic, but now I don't give a darn.
Chris...

[Bill Little]

I used to apathetic, but now I don't give a darn.
Chris...

 

[Randy Powell]

Jim,

The only change I would suggest is that Classic should have a 12/31/65 cutoff and the "Phase II" as you call it should perhaps run 01/01/66 to 12/31/75. I feel like plans after 1975 are much more in the "modern" era.

I've always felt that planes like the USA-1 and Caprice clearly don't fall into the same era as stuff 1965 and back and are much more related to stuff in the early 70s from a design perspective. But that's just me

[RandySmith]

""I've always felt that planes like the USA-1 and Caprice clearly don't fall into the same era as stuff 1965 and back and are much more related to stuff in the early 70s from a design perspective. But that's just me """


    Hi Randy....the  Caprice  is  a  "Nobler"   

Regards
Randy

[john e. holliday]

Does it really matter, when you have Mr VSC flying his own designs like the Ares.  If he wins VSC again I think they are going to name it after him.  DOC Holliday