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General control line discussion => Open Forum => Topic started by: JHildreth on October 11, 2017, 09:04:56 PM
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A few early birds showed up today (Wednesday). Here are some pictures of activities at Dallas. If it is possible and if I knew how, I would have captions on the pictures. For now I'll just indicate the order. The first two shots are of Dave Trible. The next three are of Jose Modesto. He is sporting two planes; an IC Patternmaster and an electric Shark. The next shot is of Dale Gleason. He has the (un)enviable task of warming up the judges. Next comes Chicago's Chris Rud followed by Detroit's Bob McDonald. Last, but not least, one of the Moon Brothers (Steve) showed up.
If I messed up a name please let me know so maybe I won't do it again.
Joe
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Great pics! Thanks and please keep'em coming!
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Thanks Joe,
Can't wait to get there Friday
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Looking forward to getting there on Friday and watching some amazing flying over the weekend.
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I'm in Dallas. Looking forward to seeing everybody tomorrow and flying some stunt.
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Howard,
Did they check your passport for entry to Dallas???? HA HA
See ya Friday!
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Thanks for pictures and keep them coming for those of us stuck at home. H^^
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Thanks for the pictures.
Good luck, Howard.
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Today is Thursday. More flyers arrived; including Don Cranfield, Frank McMillan, Joe Gilbert, John Hill, Eric (sp?) Taylor, Kenny Stevens, and Wesley Eakin. ED Frank Williams also arrived.
I'll let the pictures speak for themselves.
Joe
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I'll let the pictures speak for themselves.
Joe
I see Rigotti's got an all new paint scheme for '17. ;D
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Do I REALLY gotta fly against Joes ringmaster?! HB~>
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I see Rigotti's got an all new paint scheme for '17. ;D
Yup, this one has wax on it! Give my best to all.
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Yup, this one has wax on it! Give my best to all.
HA! You can run but you can't hide Crist! ;D
Ya'll have a great weekend down there! H^^
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Makes me want to jump in the car and drive down, but family says other wise.
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We had a busy practice session this morning then went to the Fields community center for the pilots meeting. Among other things at the meeting the potential weather issues were discussed and possible outcomes. Basically nobody knows yet. Tomorrow may be pretty sporty and Sunday a crapshoot. Whatever goes on here is the flight order:
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The format will be as follows:
Four rounds will be flown tomorrow, two on each of two circles. The single best score from each circle will be added for a score for the day. The finals on Sunday (?) will have the top ten fly three rounds. Their best two scores are added for a final score. The 11 the place flyer from Saturday traditionally flies the warm up flight for the judges Sunday. The top three seniors and the one junior flier can say "Viva La France"!!!!!
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Why are they NOT enforcing the noise requirements in the FAI rules?????
They WILL be checked if someone thinks they are too loud at the WC's.. So, why not here????
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What?
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Are you using a Db meter prior to takeoff?
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Are you using a Db meter prior to takeoff?
Frank can't hear you--too many years of unmuffled model airplane engines. When I asked him if he'd be checking noise, he thought I asked if he'd be checking lines.
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Play (practice) time is over. Tomorrow starts the serious stuff. Here are some pictures of Friday's activities; the most important of which is the Pilot's Meeting. In the meeting the pilots were briefed on the event's official activities, planes were weighed and the flight order was established. A Q&A period followed. Then it was back to the circles.
Joe
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Is the Magnum Sean's? Very cool in the box art replica scheme. y1
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Who is the Junior competitor?
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Who is the Junior competitor?
Someone verify for me please -- from chatter, and from the titles on a couple of the pictures, Samantha Hines.
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My though too..but she is not on the flight schedule...
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My though too..but she is not on the flight schedule...
When I tried out for the team as a junior, I flew on only on Sunday. Assuming the format is the same, that's probably why she isn't in the flight order today
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Here is today's results:
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Here is the flight order for the morning:
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Well Dave at least you tried and 11th isn't bad with the heavy hitters I see listed. H^^
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I see a lot of passing is going on. Especially during round 4. Weather? What does tomorrow look like? And how did Chris Rud get 1-2-3 for tomorrow?
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talked to Keith .says weather looks rough for tomorrow .high winds
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How was today's weather?
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When I tried out for the team as a junior, I flew on only on Sunday. Assuming the format is the same, that's probably why she isn't in the flight order today
Matt is correct. Samantha flies tomorrow
Weather today was quite a bear. I flew to put points on the board, but conditions were rough: windy gusty and bumpy. Tomorrow is slated to be worse.
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How was today's weather?
12-13 mph.
More on Sunday! %^@
"Tight Lines!" H^^
Wes
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The wind began building early on and kept increasing. There was some luck this time in drawing an early flight. It became hard to make up any ground as it got more challenging as the day wore on.
Dave
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Looks like a good contest, wish I was there. Congratulations to all those who qualified. It looks like it was one hell of a shoot out, under some difficult conditions!
Derek
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Today's (Saturday) results and weather comments have already been posted. Here are a few pictures of the proceedings. The picture titles should explain content.
There was one casualty today. Frank McMillan caught some bad luck in the dreaded second corner of the outside square. Plane "pancaked" inverted. There were some cracks and abrasions, but the plane appeared to be reparable. We hope so since he qualified for the finals.
Joe
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Is the Magnum Sean's? Very cool in the box art replica scheme. y1
Hey Wayne-O;
Yeah, That's Sean's model. It's a kit bashed Vector .40. Sean had hand drawn up a plan that he did as a kid for a Twister that looked like a Magnum, but I guess the straight wing with no leading edge sweep didn't quite cut it for him in recent times! It's just a project he has always wanted to do. It's not as light as he would like, but flies pretty well. It's really a new airplane, only about a dozen or so flights on it , maybe a few more, so given that and a lack of serious practice Ithink he showed pretty well for himself. Looks like a great group pf guys he got to hang out with, some IO have known for a long, long time. Would have been a fun weekend just to spectate and catch up with some old friends!!
Type at you later,
Dan McEntee
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Thanks for the pics and updates guys, and way to go Chris! y1
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As we are leaving the hotel this morning by cell phone light ( the power went out in the passing storm) the wind is about 15 and forecast to go up with another short round of showers.
Dave
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Good luck today guys.
Thanks for the update Dave!
Derek
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The decision is made to fly. Richard Oliver and Joe Gilbert are braving the wind to put up practice flights. The judges decided they didn't want a warm up flight so Desperado went back into the car to fight another day. It appears that some of the qualifiers might choose not to fly today.
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A brief meeting. Due to the wind 'catchers' will be stationed all around the circle to grab the airplane when it lands to keep it from flipping over. The judges will score the original touchdown only.
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Today like yesterday may be a case where early draws a little helpful but not a lot. First flyer up Chris Rud is headed to the circle
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I'm attempting this solely on voice recognition software here today and not typing we'll see how it goes if I didn't funny words are in there don't blame me
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Chris has a turning nice lift off very smooth take up very nice got a little bit of a dead spot near an EpiPen shot judges are attentively watching
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Got through a pretty nice reverse swing over there at say the wind at the moment 7-8 mile per hour
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got through the squares and triangles good shape wind again it's not bad mom
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Good heavens that's not what I said
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Chris in the hourglass getting a good flight looks like now in the overhead it's not giving much trouble
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He finishes in circles the land Frank McMillan on deck
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Bob McDonnell walks Chris off . Frank heads to the south end downwind John Hill will be the helper
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Frank is up and away but he committed a little bit of an error in that he gave a hand signal to the judges fortunately his engine fired right away it didn't cost him anything in FAI it's not required to give a hand signal he could cause you problems in time but he's OK. I'm afraid and sad to say it's all for not the airplane didn't stand up in the wind after the accident yesterday and is now in kind of a heap on the ground
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Our junior flyers Samantha Hines is now headed to the circle she had some trouble with her airplane through the week they've decided use an older airplane I'm going to try to get a few pictures
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Dad Steve Hines had a little trouble trying to get the engine started but got it going and Sam put in a nice flight
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Steve moon is now on the circle fired up big discovery
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It's being a little stubborn in this cool air this morning to start
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Brother Doug patiently holes now it fires and Steve is dashing to the middle
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Steve tossed his hat off before it blew off. He uttered a couple choice words and is simply circling with a grin on his face.
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I'm guessing he's cashing is chips in for the day
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Joe Gilbert is on deck . His utterances are something to the effect of if the good Lord wants me to go......
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Joe's lovely wife Colleen is holding for start. I sense the wind is picking up more. Also a little rain spatters
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Joe nibbled the prop on take off. He's proceeding but it does sound a little different.
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He's getting through it like a trooper, a fast trooper
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He's at the Square eights now wow that was quick
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He jumps back for the hourglass got it made in a hurry
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Those turns in the clover looked like a combat match
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There were about eight guys around the circle to catch the airplane Bob McDonald's was the lucky one
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Richard Oliver now up with the blue max
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It's getting rather cold here
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The RO Jett fires Richard almost got his on take off. But he is away safely
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This is quite a Texas rodeo
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Something just blew off Richard airplane and it seems to have all his wheels not seeing what it was. It's flying OK
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Richard got blown badly FIVE times in the overheads but chased it each time and finished
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Joe thinks it was some clay came off. He lands OK. Joe says he will finish the day with his sort-of Ringmaster
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Canning out approaches and looks like he will take off directly into the wind
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Kenny seems to be handling it went pretty well get right through
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Kenny landed in good shape. Now Jose Modesto comes out
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First time I've seen him this week Orestis is here to launch Jose
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Jose is having to run backwards in level flight to keep his Shark out on the lines up wind.
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Looks like he is bailing after one inside square
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On touchdown the airplane turned into the wind towards Jose. Chris's Rud caught it.
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Eric Taylor is now on the circle. Wes Eakin launches.
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Eric got through some quick inside loops
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After his outsides he calls it off for this round
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We are on a short break. Here the planes are being held down in the pits
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At this point Frank is out, Howard passed the first two rounds, Bob McDonald passed the day, Jose passed round two.
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Frank McMillin just measured the wind at just shy of 19 mph
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Going again. Chris Rud up. It looks like just four fliers are continuing
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Chris went total free flight twice in the overheads
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That's where he is stopping
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He got it safely to a catcher.
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Now Joe and his Ringmaster
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Colleen prepares to launch
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It seems to be getting through as well or better than anything today
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Joe shows great form running into the model downwind in maneuvers to help decelerate the airplane and make theturns
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Kenny on now
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I noticed Richard brought his plane back out of the car for another round
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I think I heard Kenny nick his prop slightly on takeoff
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Keep it coming Dave!
Appreciate the commentary.
I am at the perfect place to watch....At the table eating my breakfast, nice cup of coffee, watching things unfold.
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He's getting him money's worth here. He is wisely keeping it high and tight
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He finishes the pattern and now the catchers approach
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Richard lifts off nicely
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So far looking solid
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Got some float in the overheads and cut the turns some short but 'done good'
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Joes Ringmaster is the only plane now in the pit. The judges take 5
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Keep it coming Dave!
Appreciate the commentary.
I am at the perfect place to watch....At the table eating my breakfast, nice cup of coffee, watching things unfold.
We miss ya Paul! You'd get a kick outa this one.
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Thanks for the running commentary Dave!! You do this very well and it is greatly appreciated. The voice recognition thing is working well enough.
Good luck and "HELLO" to all in Dallas,
Dan McEntee
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The judges are making their way back out to the overturned chairs for the final round. Unless I'm mistaken that will be one flight (Gilbert). I do see a tight spot on the score board.
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Dave, how about a shot of the current scoreboard?
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Frank Williams, Bill Lee and Frank McMillin are headed to circle center to take a wind measurement
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No harm at this point
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First time today the sun pokes out and Joe heads to the circle
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And the spinner pops off. Joe calls an attempt.
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Dave, what is the maximum allowable wind speed?
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Thanks for the running commentary Dave!! You do this very well and it is greatly appreciated. The voice recognition thing is working well enough.
Good luck and "HELLO" to all in Dallas,
Dan McEntee
Dan I got to see your boy here. He's flying well.
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Dave, what is the maximum allowable wind speed?
In FAI it's 9 meters per second or 20. Something mph for 30 seconds.
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Joe has started his three minute clock but is already airborne
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No harm at this point
He's going to make the WC team and we can't even spell the kid's name right?
Brett
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At the hourglass now
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The catchers approach
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Dale Gleason grabs it and now it's complete. We'll get a final shot of the board asap
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My error!!!! Kenny is coming back out.
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He signals and walks to the center.
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Just so you all know how nasty the winds are today. In the 1st round there were only 4 complete patterns and the wind never hit 20 mph on the meter at ground level. I saw 18 several times. 18 mph of wind is TON of wind, and I MEAN A TON, to be flying patterns in and most planes today at this circle could not make it through the maneuvers. It has been a very rough morning to say the least. These guys are battling hard just to finish.
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He is trying to bring it down to rule book
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Somebody said 5.4
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A few gasps on a close one
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5.4 is a TAD slow for that wind!
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The airplane almost stops into the wind in the overheads. He finishes the pattern. Nice applause and Wes snatches the plane.
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Dave, how about some scoreboard commentary?
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How's about the board?
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Dave, how about some scoreboard commentary?
I think I can summarize it - if you get two complete flights you are likely to be headed to France! And congratulations, Chris!
Brett
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Congratulations Chris, Rich, and Joe! Well done!!
Derek
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Congratulations Chris, Rich, and Joe. Well done!
Landers will be just like what you just experienced. Have fun!
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Also congratulations to Kenny for making Alt. In those conditions, and for flying all three rounds!!
Derek
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Congrats Chris Rich and Joe! Go get em in France!!
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I did not make the trip...got corralled to help a good friend move a family member..I owe him big time so did my good deed
I have never flown a full pattern and never will..and a total fair weather flyer
But once, just as I launched, the wind picked up and I was in for a 6 minuet gusty ride and sweating like a marathon runner when it finally quit
I sat fascinated by this blow by blow (a pun) commentary
Thanks
Very sad I missed meeting a lot of guys I only know from these forums
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Totally happy for all of these guys. Congrats big time!!! H^^
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Dave,
Please fill us in on Howard's "story".
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Go District 8 guys also Chris
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Now we know who the team is and congrats from the old DOC, especially to Joe & Colleen as I know how hard they have worked. Remember Joe and the ARF Nobler at Tulsa the first time I seen him. Richard the old DOC is going to get that .40 going in a decent plane soon I hope. Chris I haven't met yet. But it looks like we have a good team. H^^ H^^ H^^
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Quick question from the peanut gallery: I know that with appearance points the maximum possible score in AMA is 645 -- what's the maximum possible in FAI? I assume that the scores I'm seeing for each round is the average of all the judges? Were there three for the final round?
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It should be noted that Joe made a very smart decision today. He flew his piped plane yesterday when it was hot and the winds were somewhat tolerable and qualified easily. Today in round one he flew the piped plane again and he struggled with it. Still flew good for the conditions though. He decided to give his .46 sized ringmaster with flaps a go. He had made a few practice flights with it in the morning and it penetrated this mess pretty good. I watched the second round flights from the side and he was close to 45 with it and it scored well. He didnt get his clover points because it beeped real hard in loop 4 and he didnt get the exit. He came back in round 3 and put it all together with that plane. He used smaller plane on shorter lines going faster to penetrate the heavy winds we had today. I for one took notice and it really has me thinking....... I didnt come up through the classic era with smaller planes and faster lap times. What he did was a real eye opener for me! Way to go Joe.
Congrats to all of the fliers for making it a hard fought contest.
Congrats to winners on their great accomplishment. You will do us proud. Kenny is as good an alternate as any country could ask for.
Thank you to Frank Williams and his team for running another very solid contest. Thank you Bill Lee for being the FAI Jurist.
Thank you Motor Mouth Gang for all you do at all of our contests.
Now this is what I am talking about!!
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Congratulations to the team members. Looks like some tough conditions.
James
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OK, I talked to Howard. I didn't want to push to hard, as he must gave been feeling quite bad. I know I would have been.
My question is why didn't anyone help him out and get a new set of lines made along with a handle?
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OK, I talked to Howard. I didn't want to push to hard, as he must gave been feeling quite bad. I know I would have been.
My question is why didn't anyone help him out and get a new set of lines made along with a handle?
That's about a 10 minute job, even if you have to make up a new set of lines (with offset, presumably), and 0 minutes if you can use conventional lines. The wrap or crimp job wouldn't have to be pretty and it only has to last for 3 flights, so crimping it would probably be fine.
Moreover, since it's FAI, you could use conventional lines and add an extender for the offset (since the AMA rule about multiple connectors doesn't apply to FAI). There must be something more to this story.
Brett
p.s. in fact, Howard, tell me what sort of length and offset you need and I can make up a set of lines to use as Golden State, and I already have a Paul handle.
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Sunday Pictures:
1). Chris Rud
2). The Ringmaster that Saved the Day
3). Kenny Stevens
4). Rich Oliver
5). Event Director Frank Williams awards the trophy
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More Sunday:
1). Team USA 2018 - Rich Oliver, Chris Rud, Joe Gilbert
2). The full team - Rich Oliver, Orestes Hernandez (with Joe's Ringmaster), Chris Rud, Joe Gilbert
3). Chris's plane. Han Solo probably thought that today's conditions made the Kessel Run look easy...
4). The Motor Mouth Gang
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Congrats to our 2018 team. FYI we would be in a bind in district 8 without the MMG thanks ladies. Hope to see y'all next week in Zachary La.
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Congrats guys!!
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G891A using Tapatalk
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Here are some pictures of finals day. There were two stories today, the weather and round 3. There was a 25 degree drop in temperature from Saturday and an increase in wind from 8-10 mph to 15-18 mph. Fortunately, we were spared any rain. The wind was treacherous and the flyers earned every point that the judges awarded to them. There were some special accommodations instituted on landings due to the wind. One was the use of "plane catchers" to prevent the planes from self destructing after they had stopped rolling. Frank McMillan lost his plane. Yesterday, he suffered a confrontation with the ground. We had hoped his overnight repair work would allow him to finish the contest. Unfortunately, some unseen (thus unrepaired) damage in the wing led to the plane's demise shortly after the beginning of his first flight on Sunday. At the end of round 2, Chris Rud and Richard Oliver were comfortably ensconced in first and second place respectively. Round 3 turned into a duel between Joe Gilbert and Kenny Stevens for the third position. Joe switched from his blue piped ship to his Ringmaster at the end of round 1. He felt that the Ringmaster would work better in the prevailing wind. He put up a very good third flight in the tough conditions and held on to win out over Kenny. Kenny put up a valiant effort, but came up just a little short.
The US team will sport a junior flyer in 2018. Samantha Hines will be representing the US of A in France next year. Congratulations Samantha.
The 2018 F2B new senior team members will be Chris Rud, Richard Oliver, and Joe Gilbert. The first alternate is Kenny Stevens. Very well done gentlemen! We had an unexpected appearance by Orestes Hernandez, so I was able to get a picture of all the USA flyers. Good luck to all in France.
Any successful event has been the result of a team of individuals, many of whom are behind the scenes. Many thanks on a job well done go out to Frank Williams the judges and all those workers required to host one of these events.
I'll put up the awards and team member pictures in a following post.
Joe
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Here are my remaining photo from finals day.
Joe
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Chris was struggling a bit to hoist the high-point trophy over his head. Dude, you need to hit the bench press a bit more LL~
Big congrats to Chris, Rich, Joe, Samantha, Kenny, and everyone else who put up flights and braved the winds. I was exhausted just watching!
It’s always a treat to fly with the good folks of Dallas; better still to hang out with the out-of-towners, some of whom I have not seen in a very long time. Throw in the the opportunity to participate in the team trials and it was a blast of a weekend! Safe travels to everyone driving/flying home!
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Congrats to the whole team and a special thanks to Dave for the fantastic reports .
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OK, I talked to Howard. I didn't want to push to hard, as he must gave been feeling quite bad. I know I would have been.
My question is why didn't anyone help him out and get a new set of lines made along with a handle?
Sorry for the delay-just got back to KC. I did not know about whatever problem Howard had. I had no solid wire but sure could have made a new set of stranded. I had just assumed he decided not to tempt Mother Nature as had others.
Dave
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Congrats to the whole team and a special thanks to Dave for the fantastic reports .
Pleased to be of service-but honestly hoped to be otherwise preoccupied.
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Congrats to all, I knew Chris' day would come at some point. An extra congrats to Samantha too, it's especially cool to see a U.S. gal make her way to the WC's. Thank for the excellent coverage here too guys.
Now, has anyone ever flown a Ringmaster in world competition? ;D
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I did not know about whatever problem Howard had. I had no solid wire but sure could have made a new set of stranded. I had just assumed he decided not to tempt Mother Nature as had others.
What happened with Howard?
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Congrats to all! No Doug moon?
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Brett,
I talked to Howard and told him that Paul and I would arrive on Thursday around noon. I found out what he needs and will bring it with us. I even have a somewhat similar handle to what he likes. He is going to contact me if he he thinks of anything else.
Alan
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Congrats to all, I knew Chris' day would come at some point. An extra congrats to Samantha too, it's especially cool to see a U.S. gal make her way to the WC's. Thank for the excellent coverage here too guys.
Now, has anyone ever flown a Ringmaster in world competition? ;D
Just to be clear, this is not an S1 Ringmaster. It's a full- flapped Stunt airplane shaped to LOOK like a Ringmaster.
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Howard's lines. From what I heard he had been flying Saturday night and left his box with his handle and lines at the field. The next morning it was gone. Our field is adjacent to a public park and many people, including many homeless, have access to our field all the time. If anything that is perceived to have any value is found there it will be taken. It really is sad that people can't just leave what isn't theirs alone, and it really makes me mad at the same time.
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Congrats to all the team members and wish you the best in France.
The Tulsa gang is really proud of our own Joe Gilbert, way to go Joe...
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Just to be clear, this is not an S1 Ringmaster. It's a full- flapped Stunt airplane shaped to LOOK like a Ringmaster.
Yup, and a bigger "576" I believe, and the kicker is the guy on the handle.
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I was searching for something on stuka stunt and---- inside a grass seed for CL circle thread -----back in April 2004, was a comment about flying in Oklahoma vs California...Tornado (wind) vs Earthquake back n forth banter
I do not know any of these guys except what I read on the forums
BUT I thought it interesting what De Hill said quoted below
"No. But we do know how to fly in the wind.
One of our new members(Joe Gilbert) flew a Fox .35 powered ARF Nobler at the VSC in Tucson on that windy sunday. He survived and placed 19th. Not bad for an Intermediate flyer.
De Hill"
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I remember Joe flying in that wind the year I was holding my pit box and plane down in the pit area. He stated that day was a chance to make top 20 at VSC. He has improved through the years and is a contender no matter where he goes. H^^