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General control line discussion => Open Forum => Topic started by: Matt Colan on June 14, 2011, 12:18:14 PM
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I uploaded the 3rd flight of the Trivial Pursuit onto Youtube so you all can see. Hope you like it!
Flight #4 is uploading as we speak.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzmphGZG7CE
I had to record the DVD with my digital camera to get it onto the computer. The quality isn't that great but it definitely gives you an idea! H^^
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And here is flight #4!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m18ay61H9K4
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Lookin Good Matt. Keep practicing, the Nats is close! ;D
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Lookin Good Matt. Keep practicing, the Nats is close! ;D
17 Days to be exact!!!!! We leave July 2nd!!! We also sent in our registration yesterday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D
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SHUT THE FRONT DOOR!, you make it look easy. I'm not going to wish you luck because I think the compatition will need it. LL~ LL~--LOUIE H^^ D>K
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SHUT THE FRONT DOOR!, you make it look easy. I'm not going to wish you luck because I think the compatition will need it. LL~ LL~--LOUIE H^^ D>K
Thanks Louie! This was only the 3rd and 4th flights. I'm sure I'll be a lot better once I get the 50th flight on it!! #^ #^
And I'm going to need a lot of luck, I want to make the top 15 in advanced, and give Ryan Young a run for his money in Senior!
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So, do you have a comment on what you think?
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Matt,
You have come a long way. You will be very competitive at the Nats. You are bringing back the days when Juniors and Seniors could beat the big guys!
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Very nice, Matt, you are lucky to have a Grandfather that takes an interest in your hobby, or is it vice-versa? The terrain looks like Muncie, flat! The Nats is a very unique experience, you are in for a treat. y1
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So, do you have a comment on what you think?
I think that I fly that airplane darn well and it still being BRAND NEW! I'm sidelined for a few days with this plane because somehow the header bolts vibrated there way loose, and I lost one of them, so we ordered a pack of 100 for 8 bucks on the internet. Once I get them, and put them in the engine (yes we made sure that we ordered 5-40s and the correct length).
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Matt,
You have come a long way. You will very competitive at the Nats. You are bringing back the days when Juniors and Seniors could beat the big guys!
Thanks Tom!
I remember when I could barely do a loop, let alone two at the same time, and they also looked like reverse figure 9s. It's kind of amazing that was only 5 years ago, and now I'm flying airplanes with piped engines, and an expert!
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Very nice, Matt, you are lucky to have a Grandfather that takes an interest in your hobby, or is it vice-versa? The terrain looks like Muncie, flat! The Nats is a very unique experience, you are in for a treat. y1
My grandfather has been flying stunt since the 50s. He got out of it for a while, then got back into it again in the 60s (he spent a lot of time around Champione and Gene Schaffer during that period of time). He dropped out again in the 70s and got back into it once again around 1990. he's been flying ever since and doesn't intend to quit.
He went to Muncie back in 1996 for the NATS and came in 18th in advanced, hopefully he'll either equal that or be better than that 18th spot. I've been wanting to go to the NATS ever since I started flying stunt, and now it's finally coming to fruition!!! y1
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My grandfather has been flying stunt since the 50s. He got out of it for a while, then got back into it again in the 60s (he spent a lot of time around Champione and Gene Schaffer during that period of time). He dropped out again in the 70s and got back into it once again around 1990. he's been flying ever since and doesn't intend to quit.
He went to Muncie back in 1996 for the NATS and came in 18th in advanced, hopefully he'll either equal that or be better than that 18th spot. I've been wanting to go to the NATS ever since I started flying stunt, and now it's finally coming to fruition!!! y1
I have had some great times at the Nats, I am sure you will too. As I leave Muncie every year I am already thinking about the next trip back.
There are so many attractions. The very unhealthy food at the 12th street cafe, The go cart track, The beer bush (your not old enough for the beer but the conversation is fun), and the Texas Road House!!!!!!! Just to name a few........ Oh yea, we fly planes there too.
Derek
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Good luck to you Matt. Keep putting in those practice flights before you leave. I'm sure you will exceed your own expectations.
Bill Ambrose
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I have had some great times at the Nats, I am sure you will too. As I leave Muncie every year I am already thinking about the next trip back.
There are so many attractions. The very unhealthy food at the 12th street cafe, The go cart track, The beer bush (your not old enough for the beer but the conversation is fun), and the Texas Road House!!!!!!! Just to name a few........ Oh yea, we fly planes there too.
Derek
There's a Go-Kart track!?!?!?!?!?!?! I'm also planning on bringing my stunt kite with me for the inevitable winds at Muncie, so if it's so windy nobody's flying, I'll bring that out, should be fun to try out!
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Have not been at the NATS for two years now, but the Boy Scouts used to have a tent to serve breakfast and lunch. For me it beat sitting in a restaurant waiting for the food or service. Depending on where you stay there is always something going. Yes do take in the Texas Roadkill. LL~ LL~
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Whatever you do, DO NOT eat at one of the many Pizza King joints around. Worst pizza on earth! :X
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I forgot about the guy with the cart that sells hot dogs and sausages. Polish sausage with lots of sourkraut. H^^
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I have had some great times at the Nats, I am sure you will too. As I leave Muncie every year I am already thinking about the next trip back.
There are so many attractions. The very unhealthy food at the 12th street cafe, The go cart track, The beer bush (your not old enough for the beer but the conversation is fun), and the Texas Road House!!!!!!! Just to name a few........ Oh yea, we fly planes there too.
Derek
Chirrrrp......Chirrrrp......Chirrrrp....ribit.......chirrrrp
1. Pizza outside of Chicago, Boston or New York, is a facsimile in name only, same goes for bagels
2. Orlando has attractions, Munice Indiana has the AMA, a Museum of Anthropology, the AMA, farm land, the AMA, more farm land, Oh did I mention the ............. AMA?
3. Beer? as a attraction? pssssssst....... let you know a leettle secret....... you can get it at any 7-11....... don't tell a soul. Shame on you corrupting the morals of a minor!
4. Pickup Trucks, one thing Indiana and Minnasota seem to have a whole ton of, they seem to congregate at said road houses. Oh and can't forget the tractor pulls.
5. If surveryed people between the ages of 15 and 25 would say that they go somewhere else, anywhere else, to have fun. The rest hang out at the local mall.
Note: This was written tounge in cheek..........almost :)
Cow tipping anyone?
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Whatever you do, DO NOT eat at one of the many Pizza King joints around. Worst pizza on earth! :X
That was just inscribed into my brain!!! And I'll definitely take your word for it, there's nothing worse than a bad pizza!
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That was just inscribed into my brain!!! And I'll definitely take your word for it, there's nothing worse than a bad pizza!
I agree with Steve, The pizza king is terrible. However, my dad loves it and looks forward to going there every year...........
Derek
P.S. Yes there is a go cart track. You will have to join the Moon brothers and i for some laps around the track!
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Chirrrrp......Chirrrrp......Chirrrrp....ribit.......chirrrrp
1. Pizza outside of Chicago, Boston or New York, is a facsimile in name only, same goes for bagels
2. Orlando has attractions, Munice Indiana has the AMA, a Museum of Anthropology, the AMA, farm land, the AMA, more farm land, Oh did I mention the ............. AMA?
3. Beer? as a attraction? pssssssst....... let you know a leettle secret....... you can get it at any 7-11....... don't tell a soul. Shame on you corrupting the morals of a minor!
4. Pickup Trucks, one thing Indiana and Minnasota seem to have a whole ton of, they seem to congregate at said road houses. Oh and can't forget the tractor pulls.
5. If surveryed people between the ages of 15 and 25 would say that they go somewhere else, anywhere else, to have fun. The rest hang out at the local mall.
Note: This was written tounge in cheek..........almost :)
Cow tipping anyone?
Beer is an attraction, at least in Muncie it is! ;D
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Beer is an attraction wherever one happens to be! n~
Sometimes though, it makes it hard to fly well the next day(!)
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Hi,
Nice flight – can you give us some details about your pipe settings (pipe length, prop, RPMs etc.) I understand you are using RO JETT 76.
Thanks,
Marek
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Another thing to do at the Nats is hang out at the L Pad in the evening and watch the show Banjock and the Moons put on. Dan can let loose all the oddball freeflight stuff he can't launch anywhere else, and the Moons have their annual HLG build and fly, plus you can watch Steve Moon drive the Baja 1000 freeflight retrival suburban...!
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Another thing to do at the Nats is hang out at the L Pad in the evening and watch the show Banjock and the Moons put on. Dan can let loose all the oddball freeflight stuff he can't launch anywhere else, and the Moons have their annual HLG build and fly, plus you can watch Steve Moon drive the Baja 1000 freeflight retrival suburban...!
The Freeflight contest is on! I will visit the hobby shop as soon as I get there. ;D
I won one year, and for winning I got to walk a half mile to my glider................
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Hi,
Nice flight – can you give us some details about your pipe settings (pipe length, prop, RPMs etc.) I understand you are using RO JETT 76.
Thanks,
Marek
Thanks Marek,
I'm using a RO Jett 76 like you said, and my pipe length is 19.25". The prop I'm currently using is a 14-5 Rev Up. These props are getting very hard to find since they aren't being made anymore. I'm going to be trying out a few other props to see what the plane and engine like better before we go to Muncie. My launch RPMs is 8500. I'm also using a 6 ounce metal tank and total run time is about 6:30.
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Another thing to do at the Nats is hang out at the L Pad in the evening and watch the show Banjock and the Moons put on. Dan can let loose all the oddball freeflight stuff he can't launch anywhere else, and the Moons have their annual HLG build and fly, plus you can watch Steve Moon drive the Baja 1000 freeflight retrival suburban...!
I've seen that UFO that Danny had last year on Windy's video. Definitely looks very cool and I saw a picture where his van was all loaded with stuff, and it was amazing all of it was intact!
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I've seen that UFO that Danny had last year on Windy's video. Definitely looks very cool and I saw a picture where his van was all loaded with stuff, and it was amazing all of it was intact!
Yep, Dan is the Man when it comes to fun!
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I just looked at the long range weather forecast for the Muncie area. According to the Old Farmer's Almanac, they're saying thunderstorms and hot temps prior to the NATS, and then sunny and seasonable temperatures during the week! #^
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Good luck Matt!
Looks like you got it! y1
Years of eating strange food at Contest or Race tracks and the added fun of activity in the sun taught me to bring my own food!
Nuthin worse than a churning stomach while trying to compete HB~>
David
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Today was a bad day to be a stunt engine in northern Vermont. My grandfather's Double Star .50 in his Big Job had the muffler break from stress and vibration. I need a new header for my RO-Jett 76, and my OS. 35 in the Ares saw her last flight as the bushing finally wore out. It was belching and coughing through half of my pattern and not to mention lost power, and also I can move the spinner up and down and side to side. Oh well, we'll swap out for another OS 35 we have in the next couple days and get that one rebushed since it ran so nice earlier.
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Today was a bad day to be a stunt engine in northern Vermont. My grandfather's Double Star .50 in his Big Job had the muffler break from stress and vibration. I need a new header for my RO-Jett 76, and my OS. 35 in the Ares saw her last flight as the bushing finally wore out. It was belching and coughing through half of my pattern and not to mention lost power, and also I can move the spinner up and down and side to side. Oh well, we'll swap out for another OS 35 we have in the next couple days and get that one rebushed since it ran so nice earlier.
told you electric was the way to go
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Whats wrong with the header?
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Matt
What happened to the header?
Paul Allen
OZ
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told you electric was the way to go
Because electrics never wear out, break, or explode? Now thats funny!
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Whats wrong with the header?
The header is slotted, not a hole through the metal, and we've determined after talking to Richard Oliver that that's one of the reason's why the header came loose. Also the bolts that were in the engine were the incorrect length. Richard is sending us a new header, and the correct length bolts, and everything should be good after that.
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Ok, that makes sense now.
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Hmmm...did the previous owner slot the header bolt holes perhaps to "drop" the header and gain more cowl clearence? (or raise it to clear the corner of the tank?) If so, be sure the new one (or the coupler or zip ties) doesn't rub the cowl belly or tank.
Minor tweaks can be done to the header bend without disturbing the internal dimension and hurting flow as long as done properly. Many ways to do this, some people fill with sand, etc. others insert a dowel... none of us probably own a mandrel bender, and even if we did, it's probably too late after the flange is welded on to use the mandrel machine. Bending carefully by hand, you can get it to budge maybe a degree or two, which would probably give any needed minimum clearence change. More than that and a proper rise header should be ordered.
Of course all this is just guess work and supposition, so I let's hope that's nothing you actually have to contend with, this is just a head's up.
(The internet sucks for diagnostic's, nothing like being there in person)
EricV
Ok, that makes sense now.
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Hmmm...did the previous owner slot the header bolt holes perhaps to "drop" the header and gain more cowl clearence? (or raise it to clear the corner of the tank?) If so, be sure the new one (or the coupler or zip ties) doesn't rub the cowl belly or tank.
Minor tweaks can be done to the header bend without disturbing the internal dimension and hurting flow as long as done properly. Many ways to do this, some people fill with sand, etc. others insert a dowel... none of us probably own a mandrel bender, and even if we did, it's probably too late after the flange is welded on to use the mandrel machine. Bending carefully by hand, you can get it to budge maybe a degree or two, which would probably give any needed minimum clearence change. More than that and a proper rise header should be ordered.
Of course all this is just guess work and supposition, so I let's hope that's nothing you actually have to contend with, this is just a head's up.
(The internet sucks for diagnostic's, nothing like being there in person)
EricV
That's my guess why the header became slotted, to gain some clearance inside the engine compartment. There's also a little ding on the header, probably to help it clear the tank so the previous owner probably had space issues in the plane.
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I just looked at the long range weather forecast for the Muncie area. According to the Old Farmer's Almanac, they're saying thunderstorms and hot temps prior to the NATS, and then sunny and seasonable temperatures during the week! #^
Don't beleive the old Almanac. What NATS I have attended have had at least one storm during the week. H^^
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Don't beleive the old Almanac. What NATS I have attended have had at least one storm during the week. H^^
Well the dates before the week of the nats, something like the 2nd-6th, they're saying thunderstorms and hot! Usually they're pretty good, I read a couple years ago, for Long Island to expect a hurricane during the last week of september. That was in January that year, and sure enough the last week of september came and there was a hurricane!
Today, I got two more flights on the Ares, and the motor started detonating, so tonight we swapped it out for a newer OS 35, that I already like better, as it has more compression and a larger venturi than the one I was using. Hopefully a test flight or two or three tomorrow!
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I love the texas roadhouse..
Last time I went - I got a 1.8 kg Steak....... didnt finish it but I gave it a good scare :)
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Header screws for the RO-JETT 76 are 5-40 X 1/2" hex head. I know because I dropped one on the carpet and it was gone forever! Also, I had to enlarge the holes slightly on the muffler because they didn't line up with the crankcase. Other than that........
\Floyd
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Yep, Dan is the Man when it comes to fun!
One of my favorite pictures of Banjock free flight activity. My other favorite is the one of Dan and Jim Lee diving for cover as the flying boomerang comes off the launching pole...
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Header screws for the RO-JETT 76 are 5-40 X 1/2" hex head. I know because I dropped one on the carpet and it was gone forever! Also, I had to enlarge the holes slightly on the muffler because they didn't line up with the crankcase. Other than that........
\Floyd
Yea, that's we have except they're an 1/8" too short. the new bolts and header should arrive by monday or Tuesday.
Today we took the plastic tank out of my Oriental Plus because I'm sick of it, and cut into the wing to get enough room for a 6 ounce metal tank. We reinforced everything after we cut it out and put a box in it. That took well over half a day. And tonight, I tried out the new OS 35 in the Ares. This motor has more compression, runs better, and has more power than the other one I had in it. Just need to add some tailweight because I couldn't put a tongue muffler on it. Also grandpa flew it tonight and he really liked the way it flew!!
12 more days!!!!!!!!
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One of my favorite pictures of Banjock free flight activity. My other favorite is the one of Dan and Jim Lee diving for cover as the flying boomerang comes off the launching pole...
I'm sure he'll have plenty of goodies to try out during free time at the NATS! ;D
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The Pizza King thing cracks me up. I have lived in the Muncie area my whole life and I love Pizza King pizza. They ship those pizzas in dry ice all over the country and when my brother visits from Wisconsin the first place his family wants to go eat is Pizza King. Its just funny to hear comments about Muncie from people from other parts of the country. Safe travels and good luck at the Nats.
Rick Henry
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Really good Matt. Looks a little fast for an old guy like me. What are your lap times?
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Really good Matt. Looks a little fast for an old guy like me. What are your lap times?
Thanks Greg,
Lap times were 5.1 on 67.5 feet of line center to center.
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I got the bolts and header from RO, and put the motor back in the plane. Tomorrow, I'm hoping to fly that, test out 2 carbon props from Kent (yes, chicken stick will be used), test out the new metal tank in the Oriental Plus and hopefully that will work perfectly.
Tomorrow is shaping out to be a day where we'll be in the backyard all day, flying multiple planes getting them ready for the NATS. Weather forecast is 82 degrees, partly cloudy, and winds from the northwest at 5-10mph.
Edit: This really doesn't pertain to flying, but it could for next year. This winter, I'm thinking about designing my own airplane, making it a take apart, and naming it Crossroad, because I will be at a Crossroad in my life, transitioning from High school to College (I've figured out, that unless I get an internship, I will be able to fly during the summer and maybe attend a local contest). I've already got some sketches going, and trying to find what I like best in terms of asthetics.
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Edit: This really doesn't pertain to flying, but it could for next year. This winter, I'm thinking about designing my own airplane, making it a take apart, and naming it Crossroad, because I will be at a Crossroad in my life, transitioning from High school to College (I've figured out, that unless I get an internship, I will be able to fly during the summer and maybe attend a local contest). I've already got some sketches going, and trying to find what I like best in terms of asthetics.
Go For It, Matt! Great time to start. You already have an idea of what works, and you can put your own "looks package" (aesthetics) on it. Like Mr. Robin Hunt always says, "Change the clothes on the Mannequin". That 's all I did on the Geo Juno, my first real "design/redesign". Use what you know works and add the touches you like to see. Everyone does it. ;D Just don't stray too far from the reservation!
Big Bear
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Go For It, Matt! Great time to start. You already have an idea of what works, and you can put your own "looks package" (aesthetics) on it. Like Mr. Robin Hunt always says, "Change the clothes on the Mannequin". That 's all I did on the Geo Juno, my first real "design/redesign". Use what you know works and add the touches you like to see. Everyone does it. ;D Just don't stray too far from the reservation!
Big Bear
That's the plan Bill! I even already have a paint scheme in mind. On one wing it would my current school colors, and on the other wing, it would be the school colors to whatever college I decide to go to. Also on the bottom, I would have the team name, in my case, Thunderbirds, and whatever the name of the school is I decide to go to.
I have onethat I'm looking at here that is really really cool in my opinion. You can tell it resembles Bob Hunt's Crossfire, but it's different enough to call it my own (the cowl shape is interesting as well as the canopy and wheelpants)
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So today I got 3 flights on the plane, and I would've gotten about 3 more except the header broke on the end of my 3rd flight. HB~> HB~>
What we think happened was last night, when we put the plane back together, we noticed the header was overbent, so we heated it up and bent it back. However, this happened when the header was bolted onto the engine, so I think when we bent it back, we put stress on the weld and after 3 flights, it finally gave away.
But other than that, I was getting some of the best flights I've flown this year with the plane! I tried a Brian Eather (I think it was an eather prop) 13.75-4.25 and the TP just took off!! It flew faster on almost an entire 4 cycle throughout the flight. It also just about pulled my arm off (this was 3hours ago, and my arm is still tired). I'm going to try a thin tip prop 14-4 and see what happens with that one. But overall, I still like the Rev-Up better on the and the plane handled a bit better also.
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Matt. So you are running a header pipe on your RO-JETT76. The stock muffler bolts are 5-40 X 1/2". Could be the header is thicker and a 1/2" screw is too short?
As I mentioned, I dropped one and no amount of cussing would bring it back. I took the remaining screw to the local specialty store here in Eugene, and got an exact replacement. Nice to live in a place where that is possible.
The place is called "Eugene Fasteners:". They have everything.
Floyd
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Matt. So you are running a header pipe on your RO-JETT76. The stock muffler bolts are 5-40 X 1/2". Could be the header is thicker and a 1/2" screw is too short?
As I mentioned, I dropped one and no amount of cussing would bring it back. I took the remaining screw to the local specialty store here in Eugene, and got an exact replacement. Nice to live in a place where that is possible.
The place is called "Eugene Fasteners:". They have everything.
Floyd
Floyd,
the bolts we have are the correct length, and size. Last time the header came off was the screws backed themselves out. But the header, the new one we just got, broke clean right where the weld is. It snapped off a few laps after the 4 leaf clover and quit a few laps after that. The motor got really loud, richened up, and sounded awful! We took the cowling off and found that the bolts were still in the engine nice and tight.
What I think happened was, because the header had a slight curve down, we decided to heat it and bend it back. We did that with the header attached to the engine, and I think we stressed it a little too much where it's welded and there wound up being a hairline crack in it, that eventually worked it's way around and had the header snap off.
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well I got the header fixed by taking it to the welder in town. Richard Oliver told us they had a string of bad headers that kept on breaking, and he thought he got rid of them, well it turns out he didn't and we got one of them.
I put the header back on the engine, and we'll try it again tomorrow, or Friday. The next flying day is unknown since it's supposed to rain the next few days. ''