These are auction buys, the green one had a OK .14 and the blue a lapped McCoy .36 Super Stunt. I cannot identify these models. Both are at least based in kits, all the ribs and fuselage sides are diesmashed. The green one I think is at least based a Ziltch, span is 32". The other I have no clue, I thought it one of the VECO line but I don't have a product list with pictures, whatever it is it looks modified too. They're both pretty rough but with allot of TLC could be made into fun-flyers, however I'm not inclined to do that, they will end up on the auction. block