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Offline Dick Pacini

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3D Printing Question
« on: November 11, 2022, 02:44:40 PM »
My dear wife has offered me a 3D printer for Christmas because she heard me talking to two of my cousins who have them.  In fact I asked one of them to make me a part that had been downloaded on to that Thingi site.  He had it done in short order and sent it to me.

My question is, if you have a part in hand and want a 3D copy made, what is the process?  I believe CAD drawings are needed and then a "slicing" program has to be written.  Same question if you have a drawing made up, what is the next step?  If I need to have a CAD program on my desktop, will it work with Windows 7 Professional?  Thanks for any advice.
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Re: 3D Printing Question
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2022, 03:07:11 PM »
Yes you will need some type of CAD program and will have to learn how to use it. I use a program that is free and web based. OnShape

And you will need a slicing software. I use a free program. Cura.

You can also search the web for STL files. I use STLFinder. It crawls all 3D sites.

I really like to print things to solve a problem. DashCam mounts, pegboard hooks and brackets. Vortex generators, CL Handles, electric motor mounts, battery box and today I printed this….

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Re: 3D Printing Question
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2022, 03:18:31 PM »
Very impressive work!  What is the material you use?
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Re: 3D Printing Question
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2022, 03:46:56 PM »
To get the maximum benefit of a 3D printer you should be at least moderately proficient in 3D CAD.  2D drawings would only be a reference guide to create a 3D model in software.

Windows 7?  Dunno, I think it depends more on your computer hardware.

My personal workflow to copy an existing part is probably just like Pauls:  Measure the part with digital calipers and use those dimensions to create a 3D model using OnShape.  OnShape is a cloud based CAD program and doesn't require any installation on your computer.  https://www.onshape.com/en/products/free  Once I have the model I download it as an STL file.  I then import the STL model into Cura, enter the settings for my printer and material then slice it and generate the G-code that the 3D printer uses to create the part. https://ultimaker.com/software/ultimaker-cura  I save the G-code file onto a micro SD card and insert it into the printer and hit the print button.  Then hopefully, stand back and watch the magic happen.

There is a very steep learning curve for all of this but if you have some relatives that can help it may be a lot easier.
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Re: 3D Printing Question
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2022, 04:19:44 PM »
My dear wife has offered me a 3D printer for Christmas because she heard me talking to two of my cousins who have them.  In fact I asked one of them to make me a part that had been downloaded on to that Thingi site.  He had it done in short order and sent it to me.

My question is, if you have a part in hand and want a 3D copy made, what is the process?  I believe CAD drawings are needed and then a "slicing" program has to be written.  Same question if you have a drawing made up, what is the next step?  If I need to have a CAD program on my desktop, will it work with Windows 7 Professional?  Thanks for any advice.

Paul has good advice.  His programs are cheaper than mine and probably better.

If you have a part in hand to copy, you might use a 3D scanner.  I am not familiar with scanners. (Ha! An ad for a 3D scanner popped up in Stunthangar as  I was typing this.)  I draw parts from scratch.  I use TurboCAD 2020 Platinum on Windows 7, which outputs drawings in STL format.  STL is or was, the 3D printing standard. The STL file goes to the slicing program.  I use Simplify3D, also on Windows 7.  The slicing program also allows you to specify temperatures, part wall thickness, print quality, % fill for part interior, and other stuff.  The slicer outputs a G-code file like milling machines use.  I think most printers use standard, open-source electronics that takes the same G code format and moves the table and print head and tells the nozzle when and how much to squirt.

Software bewares: earlier TurboCAD versions don't make good STL files.  Simplify3D is good, but hasn't been updated for years.  People speculate that its author left the company.

I don't know much about material.  I use ABS, which is a little hard to deal with, but is pretty strong.  PLA is more popular, but wilts in the sun.  Lots of folks now use PETG, which I haven't tried.  You can even get carbon-filled nylon now.  Mark Wood uses that. 

After I typed this, I see that CircuitFlyer posted the same stuff, but I'll hit Post anyhow.
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Re: 3D Printing Question
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2022, 08:08:47 PM »
Very impressive work!  What is the material you use?

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Re: 3D Printing Question
« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2022, 11:13:25 PM »
My dear wife has offered me a 3D printer for Christmas because she heard me talking to two of my cousins who have them.  In fact I asked one of them to make me a part that had been downloaded on to that Thingi site.  He had it done in short order and sent it to me.

My question is, if you have a part in hand and want a 3D copy made, what is the process?  I believe CAD drawings are needed and then a "slicing" program has to be written.  Same question if you have a drawing made up, what is the next step?  If I need to have a CAD program on my desktop, will it work with Windows 7 Professional?  Thanks for any advice.

Paul Emmerson is mostly correct: To get the MAXIMUM benefit out of a 3D printer you should know how to use 3D CAD.

However, if you do not need to push your 3D manufacturing to the MAXIMUM, or at least not immediately, there are options.

With a 3D printer you can print anything you have a file for, as long as the item is small enough or your printer is large enough.  These files can be downloaded for free or nominal charge from hundreds of sources all over the Internet.  I have a friend who has been painting miniature figures for decades.  When 3D resin printers (higher resolution than the printers that shove plastic filament through a hot nozzle) became affordable he bought 2 of them.  He then joined a pay-to-play Patreon group where he downloads thousands of print files for miniatures that he can print, like paying to be a member of PAMPA and getting access to all the back issues of the magazine.  He printed a pirate ship that was so large he had to print it in 3 pieces and glue them together.  He estimated that it cost him $5 to print it, but if he had purchased it retail it would have been $150+/-.  For his purposes buying a 3D printer, or the second 3D printer, was a no-brainer.

If there is something you have a file for, but you want to customize it, or something you can’t find a file for, you can do it yourself in CAD, or optionally you can always make a public plea here or in a 3D Printing Forum (most likely in a Face Book group).  There are lots of people ready and able to whip up a CAD file or modification for you.

There is (was?) a kid in our CL club who has a 3D printer and is a wiz at creating things.  He put our club logo into CAD and created small plastic challenge coins with the logo and handed them out at a meeting.  He offered to design and print items for members in trade for CL supplies or $.

And CL & FF flyer Norm Furutani’s son Brian is even more high-tech with his.  He printed some rough ground airplane wheels out of two different materials.  The hubs were solid but the tires and “sidewalls” (they looked like Mars Rover wheels) were a flexible material allowing the tires to flex and soak up the shock of landings.

So you don’t “have” to be proficient in CAD, but it does help.  IMHO it also helps to have the printer while learning a CAD program.

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Re: 3D Printing Question
« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2022, 02:23:20 PM »
join EAA and get a smoking deal on solid works cad system.  it isn't all that hard. 

but there are free alternatives for cad but they make you work a lot harder.  You can start with free web-based tinker cad.
https://www.tinkercad.com/
  or blender , freecad and others.  None are for beginners. 

No one mentioned it but you can get parts 3d scanned as a starting point. 

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Re: 3D Printing Question
« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2022, 08:24:53 PM »
No one mentioned it but you can get parts 3d scanned as a starting point. 

 No one credible, anyhow.
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