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General control line discussion => Open Forum => Topic started by: Shug Emery on July 23, 2014, 07:11:55 AM

Title: 3 POVs...Control Line Stunt Flight Prowler
Post by: Shug Emery on July 23, 2014, 07:11:55 AM
I bought myself a Mobius Action Camera and strapped it on my control line Prowler stunt plane to get some Point Of View shots I've been wanting to see. The view from the wing to pilot was the one I was curios about. I liked it.
Just another reason to get out to fly and practice.
Still working on the Beginner Pattern but also trying to learn and commit to doing the whole Stunt Pattern as well.
Thankee for watching my fun,
Shug

http://youtu.be/qPEmB1sxxAs (http://youtu.be/qPEmB1sxxAs)
Title: Re: 3 POVs...Control Line Stunt Flight Prowler
Post by: RC Storick on July 23, 2014, 07:27:54 AM
Cool
Title: Re: 3 POVs...Control Line Stunt Flight Prowler
Post by: Chris_Rud on July 23, 2014, 08:44:34 AM
That looks AWESOME!
Title: Re: 3 POVs...Control Line Stunt Flight Prowler
Post by: john e. holliday on July 23, 2014, 09:16:32 AM
What perspective you've given to us on the stunt pattern.   Now I know why I don't fly the real planes in aerobatics.   Best one yet and I can see all the flying and video taping has helped you a bunch.  Told the wife AI may have to drive up and visit you guys some time.
Title: Re: 3 POVs...Control Line Stunt Flight Prowler
Post by: Dane Martin on July 23, 2014, 09:44:59 AM
outstanding. what a great idea shug. thanks!
Title: Re: 3 POVs...Control Line Stunt Flight Prowler
Post by: Steve Helmick on July 23, 2014, 10:55:54 AM
It was cool to watch...made me wonder how tiny people would feel if they were flying in our stunt planes. They would be dizzy as heck and puking violently after every flight!  n~

I was also thinking that ol' Shug is being distracted from the first order of business by all this technology. Get that stuff off the planes and get back to serious practise!!!! Sean, I think you've got the ability to go far and very quickly...I'd like to see you get there before they send me off to the home.  H^^ Steve
Title: Re: 3 POVs...Control Line Stunt Flight Prowler
Post by: John McFayden on July 23, 2014, 01:19:02 PM
The camera viewing back over the wing and tail was interesting as it clearly shows how little elevator movement is required. There have been many threads discussing if the elevator needs to go 20 degrees or 45 degrees or ....
Title: Re: 3 POVs...Control Line Stunt Flight Prowler
Post by: Avaiojet on July 23, 2014, 01:55:06 PM
Wow! Be nice to see a couple of models flying in formation! Both with cameras.

Title: Re: 3 POVs...Control Line Stunt Flight Prowler
Post by: Shug Emery on July 23, 2014, 02:10:50 PM
Cool
Thanks. I was pleased with the footage.

That looks AWESOME!
I just got that Mobius camera so was excited to try it out.



What perspective you've given to us on the stunt pattern.   Now I know why I don't fly the real planes in aerobatics.   Best one yet and I can see all the flying and video taping has helped you a bunch.  Told the wife AI may have to drive up and visit you guys some time.
It was fun to view when I got home. I liked the wingover views the best. Yes...hope you do come fly with us sometime.

outstanding. what a great idea shug. thanks!

Been wanting to get the wingtip to pilot view for a while now. Saw a Japanese flyer do that on a video and wanted to replicate that.

It was cool to watch...made me wonder how tiny people would feel if they were flying in our stunt planes. They would be dizzy as heck and puking violently after every flight!  n~

I was also thinking that ol' Shug is being distracted from the first order of business by all this technology. Get that stuff off the planes and get back to serious practise!!!! Sean, I think you've got the ability to go far and very quickly...I'd like to see you get there before they send me off to the home.  H^^ Steve

I have been wanting to get those shots. I always video practice flights and did some. Still working at it!
Thanks for the stunt support......I have a 3 year plan to try and get reasonably good. Not NATS aerial but just a good stunt pilot.

Title: Re: 3 POVs...Control Line Stunt Flight Prowler
Post by: Shug Emery on July 23, 2014, 02:13:08 PM
The camera viewing back over the wing and tail was interesting as it clearly shows how little elevator movement is required. There have been many threads discussing if the elevator needs to go 20 degrees or 45 degrees or ....
I too was surprised at how little it seemed to move. Going to try some better angles on that. Thanks.

Wow! Be nice to see a couple of models flying in formation! Both with cameras.


Ohhh...that would be cool. Now to see if a club member is up for this. At least do it with one camera.
Title: Re: 3 POVs...Control Line Stunt Flight Prowler
Post by: Steve Helmick on July 23, 2014, 03:00:07 PM
Was talking to Gary Letsinger the other day about control deflections. As a retired Boeing Aero Engr., he said 30 deg. was optimum for max lift (i.e., flaps)...but we don't get nearly that far. This, he says, means that we should move the CG forward until we have to input 30 deg. flap and get maximum lift.

I wouldn't argue the point, but not many can build an existing design and have it come out "too noseheavy" for current standards, much less come out nose heavy enough to require that kind of control deflections. The thing is, we don't have servos or hydraulics to run the controls. They're run entirely off of line tension. We know what happens when we use up all our line tension and have none left.  :-[ Steve 
Title: Re: 3 POVs...Control Line Stunt Flight Prowler
Post by: Paul Taylor on July 23, 2014, 05:08:32 PM
That was way kewl Shug!

My favorite part was the landing. Quite like a fancy feast stove.  LL~

Nice how you parked right in front of the camera.

Can you show how you mounted the camera on the wing?


PS - still waiting on the tour of the nut hut.  H^^
Title: Re: 3 POVs...Control Line Stunt Flight Prowler
Post by: Douglas Ames on July 23, 2014, 05:30:35 PM
I'm dizzy! I think i'm gonig to be sick...  n~

Neat video!
Title: Re: 3 POVs...Control Line Stunt Flight Prowler
Post by: Shug Emery on July 23, 2014, 11:15:04 PM
That was way kewl Shug!

My favorite part was the landing. Quite like a fancy feast stove.  LL~

Nice how you parked right in front of the camera.

Can you show how you mounted the camera on the wing?


PS - still waiting on the tour of the nut hut.  H^^

 Liked that landing  too...and wing overs.
I velcroed it to the wing tip and then secured it with rubber band.
Worked real good.
Nut Hut will get done. It will.
Title: Re: 3 POVs...Control Line Stunt Flight Prowler
Post by: Shug Emery on July 23, 2014, 11:16:07 PM
I'm dizzy! I think i'm gonig to be sick...  n~

Neat video!
Fun to see what the planes sees... thankee.
No sick, no sick.
Title: Re: 3 POVs...Control Line Stunt Flight Prowler
Post by: Dennis Moritz on July 23, 2014, 11:19:42 PM
Beginner Pattern? Boot.
Title: Re: 3 POVs...Control Line Stunt Flight Prowler
Post by: Shug Emery on July 23, 2014, 11:25:40 PM
Beginner Pattern? Boot.
All I got........
Title: Re: 3 POVs...Control Line Stunt Flight Prowler
Post by: Dane Martin on July 23, 2014, 11:29:52 PM
All I got........

you got it good! :D
Title: Re: 3 POVs...Control Line Stunt Flight Prowler
Post by: Shug Emery on July 23, 2014, 11:33:40 PM
you got it good! :D
We flew tonight and I got through the full pattern for the first time.... twice with the Mustang. More or less. I feel so good to get that done. Tried with the Prowler but dogging out on me by the Vertical 8. Fuel low and engine wants to cut out. May try muffler pressure to see it it helps. Always something.
Thankee feller
Title: Re: 3 POVs...Control Line Stunt Flight Prowler
Post by: Paul Taylor on July 24, 2014, 05:26:13 AM
Always something.
Thankee feller

Convert it over to electric and 99.99% of the time it's push a button and fly.  S?P
Title: Re: 3 POVs...Control Line Stunt Flight Prowler
Post by: john e. holliday on July 24, 2014, 09:45:17 AM
Hey Shug, forget what the individual said about ditching your electronic stuff, the cameras.   You are having fun, I can see that in the videos.   Do you really want to get serious about this stuff as I have been there and done that.   I am not the person you want to be around when I get serious like I used to, just ask my son or any of the people that know me.   The standing order on my part is if someone sees me getting serious and not having fun, they are to put the boot to my back side.  Yes I have  my ups and down.   Any way keep having fun and doing what you enjoy as right now watching the videos you have me beat as far as doing the pattern like most judges like it. H^^
Title: Re: 3 POVs...Control Line Stunt Flight Prowler
Post by: FLOYD CARTER on July 24, 2014, 11:18:43 AM
The wide angle lens creates a lot of distortion.  But better than nothing.

F.C.
Title: Re: 3 POVs...Control Line Stunt Flight Prowler
Post by: Scott Richlen on July 24, 2014, 11:39:36 AM
What a riot!  Now strap that camera to a Bi-Slob.  You'll have everyone puking!

Better yet, loan your camera to Danny Banjock so he can strap it to his jet stunter.

Yee-ha!

Scott
Title: Re: 3 POVs...Control Line Stunt Flight Prowler
Post by: Shug Emery on July 24, 2014, 12:02:17 PM
Convert it over to electric and 99.99% of the time it's push a button and fly.  S?P
Maybe....down the elctro highway.
Title: Re: 3 POVs...Control Line Stunt Flight Prowler
Post by: Shug Emery on July 24, 2014, 12:10:44 PM


What a riot!  Now strap that camera to a Bi-Slob.  You'll have everyone puking!

Better yet, loan your camera to Danny Banjock so he can strap it to his jet stunter.

Yee-ha!

Scott
Both of those would be mighty cool. That jet would be crazy!!
Title: Re: 3 POVs...Control Line Stunt Flight Prowler
Post by: Dane Martin on July 24, 2014, 01:29:05 PM
We flew tonight and I got through the full pattern for the first time.... twice with the Mustang. More or less. I feel so good to get that done. Tried with the Prowler but dogging out on me by the Vertical 8. Fuel low and engine wants to cut out. May try muffler pressure to see it it helps. Always something.
Thankee feller

or you can be super cool and slap a four stroke on it.  >:D
but in all fairness, all of the two stroke stuff i ran was on muffler pressure. once i did that, no more run issues ever! perhaps the muffler pressure is more beginner friendly so you can focus on the pattern, and not stress over the engine.
Title: Re: 3 POVs...Control Line Stunt Flight Prowler
Post by: Shug Emery on July 24, 2014, 08:30:10 PM
or you can be super cool and slap a four stroke on it.  >:D
but in all fairness, all of the two stroke stuff i ran was on muffler pressure. once i did that, no more run issues ever! perhaps the muffler pressure is more beginner friendly so you can focus on the pattern, and not stress over the engine.
Man those four strokes are great. Have one on the Mustang given to me to fly by Keith Sandberg. Nice lap times and although it does not sound like it...it is powerful.
Title: Re: 3 POVs...Control Line Stunt Flight Prowler
Post by: Shug Emery on July 25, 2014, 06:52:09 AM
At a viewer's request I put a side by side POV together. Not totally in synch as it was two separate flights.
Shug

http://youtu.be/RVThG74Q1_I (http://youtu.be/RVThG74Q1_I)
Title: Re: 3 POVs...Control Line Stunt Flight Prowler
Post by: john e. holliday on July 25, 2014, 08:47:05 AM
Do you have a studio you do this in?
Title: Re: 3 POVs...Control Line Stunt Flight Prowler
Post by: Shug Emery on July 25, 2014, 09:24:16 AM
Do you have a studio you do this in?
No Sir....i just plop on the couch late after my wife goes to the Land of Nod. I do it on my Mac on iMovie. Like to keep it simple.
Title: Re: 3 POVs...Control Line Stunt Flight Prowler
Post by: Paul Taylor on July 25, 2014, 09:27:45 AM
Cool Shug.


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Title: Re: 3 POVs...Control Line Stunt Flight Prowler
Post by: Shug Emery on July 26, 2014, 10:21:03 PM
Cool Shug.


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Title: Re: 3 POVs...Control Line Stunt Flight Prowler
Post by: RknRusty on July 27, 2014, 03:19:09 AM
Oh now I see someone in this thread already mentioned the minute amount of elevator movement before I posted it on your Tube channel. Even though I've been repeatedly told about this, I've continued to build 30 degrees or more into my models, and that's clearly way overdoing it except maybe for those emergency panic pullouts. Your video was educational for me to watch, and explains why my plane complains so badly when I bang the energy draining corners in my squares. I still haven't gotten past that yet. Thanks for the lesson.
Rusty
Title: Re: 3 POVs...Control Line Stunt Flight Prowler
Post by: john e. holliday on July 27, 2014, 07:11:32 AM
I my self would stay with the 30 degree or more surface movement.   Look at how far your hand moves to get that little movement.  If you had that 15 degree movement I think level would be hard to do.   Look at how the old VooDoo and other combat wings turned with the 15 degree max movement.   Infact my International Stunt Winner has almost 50 degree movement max, but I don't have to move my hand/wrist so far.