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Title: 2020 World Championships
Post by: Brenda Schuette on January 12, 2020, 07:23:03 PM
Hello Everyone!  For those of you who haven’t heard I have been voted to be the Team Manager for the 2020 F2 Team that will be going to Poland in August.  This is my first time as the Team Manager and I am very honored to have been chosen. 

I am not a very “techy” person but I have set up a very basic facebook group called 2020 USA F2 Team.  I will be posting information that I get from the organizers along the way. 

If you are interested in traveling with the team to Poland and would like to sign up as a Supporter you can find that document posted on this group page. 

If you are not interested in traveling to Poland with the team but you would like to help the team out with a donation you can do so by sending a check made out to AMA / Note on check:  for F2 USA Team 2020.  The address that you would mail it to is:

AMA
Attn:  Colleen Pierce
5151 East Memorial Drive
Muncie, IN   47302

All donations are tax deductible.

If you have any questions, please email me at blschuette@cox.net.  Thanks.
Title: Re: 2020 World Championships
Post by: Dave_Trible on January 13, 2020, 11:49:22 AM
Congratulations Brenda!  While over there maybe you can sew the seeds about a return to the U. S. in a cycle or two. 

Dave

Title: Re: 2020 World Championships
Post by: WR Crane aka MrClean on January 13, 2020, 03:36:31 PM
Congrats Brenda, I know they'll be in good hands.
Title: Re: 2020 World Championships
Post by: Istvan Travnik on January 13, 2020, 06:05:51 PM
Dear Brenda,
Welcome in community of TMs!  H^^
Włoclawek was super happening in 2014, this year will be a little bit easier task for TMs, since the different events won't be so far to each other like in '14.
Greetings: Istvan  (TM of Hungary '90 - '92 - '00 - '02 - '14 - '18)
Title: Re: 2020 World Championships
Post by: pmackenzie on January 13, 2020, 10:39:39 PM
Dear Brenda,
Welcome in community of TMs!  H^^
Włoclawek was super happening in 2014, this year will be a little bit easier task for TMs, since the different events won't be so far to each other like in '14.
Greetings: Istvan  (TM of Hungary '90 - '92 - '00 - '02 - '14 - '18)

Looks like F2D will still be on the far side of the field, and if the runway is active as it was last time it is a long way around to get to it.
Title: Re: 2020 World Championships
Post by: Istvan Travnik on January 14, 2020, 05:44:16 AM
No-no-no!
Thanks to organizers and the host, the Aeroclub, the airfield will be out of order for 5 days, for the net duration of WChs.
See Bulletin1:
http://cl-f2abcd-wchs2020.pl/docs/20_f2_wch_bulletin1_2.pdf

Others:
http://cl-f2abcd-wchs2020.pl/
Title: Re: 2020 World Championships
Post by: john e. holliday on February 01, 2020, 01:41:13 PM
Went to the KCRC swap meet today and seen Brenda sitting at a table asking for donations to the F@ Control Line Team.  The jar was was almost full when I throwed a small pittance into it.  Also picked up another CL kit I don't need but I couldn't resist. D>K
Title: Re: 2020 World Championships
Post by: Brenda Schuette on February 23, 2020, 09:56:29 PM
Sponsorship Request Letter

Dear Potential Sponsor:

   On behalf of the USA F2 Team (Control Line), we would like to formally request your assistant concerning a donation to the team!

   We are representing the USA at the World Championships in Wloclawek, Poland August 10 – 15, 2020.  Our team will utilize all donations to assist with expenses.  This includes entry fees, uniforms, travel costs, and meals. 

Our team consists of members Brenda Schuette (Team Manager), Melvin Schuette (Assistant Team Manager), Alex Valishev (F2A Pilot), returning F2A World Champion Ivan Valishev (Junior F2A Pilot), Bill Hughes (F2A Pilot), Patrick Hemple (F2A Pilot), Orestes Hernandez (F2B Pilot), Joe Gilbert (F2B Pilot), Howard Rush (F2B Pilot), Steven Daly (Junior F2B Pilot), Dave Fischer (F2C Pilot), Steve Wilk (F2C Mechanic), Tom Fluker (F2C Pilot), Richard Lambert (F2C Mechanic), Aleksey Topunov (F2C Pilot), Piotr Sobala (F2C Mechanic), Chuck Rudner (F2D Pilot), Radik Magzianov (F2D Pilot), Mark Rudner (F2D Pilot), Aimee Olson (F2D Pilot), Alexandra “Sasha” Nadein (Junior F2D Pilot) and returning Junior World Champion Rylan Ritch (F2D Pilot) along with his father, Randy Ritch.

Each team member is very experienced, dedicated, highly motivated, and share an unmatched passion for flying Control Line airplanes at the highest level of competition.  We support each other like family, and push each other in an effort to reach the ultimate goal of winning gold medals.  This team has what it takes to not only win the individual gold medal but also the overall team gold medal, and once again put USA F2 Team atop the podium.

Your donations are very appreciated, and vital to assisting the USA F2 Team reach its’ goals.  We thank you for any assistance you can provide.

All donations of $500 or more will have their company name/logo mentioned on our team facebook page, and their company name printed on our team shirts.

All donations less than $500 will get a special mention on the team facebook page for your support.

   All donations are tax deductible and can be made by check.  Checks are to be made out to AMA (Note on check: for F2 Team USA 2020) and sent to:

AMA
Attn:  Colleen Pierce
5151 East Memorial Drive
Muncie, IN  47302

Thank you for considering sponsoring the USA F2 Team.

Sincerely,
USA F2 Team
Title: Re: 2020 World Championships
Post by: John Lindberg on February 24, 2020, 07:27:59 AM
Thanks for your help and interest, Brenda. D>K
Title: Re: 2020 World Championships
Post by: Fredvon4 on February 24, 2020, 08:11:03 AM
need a pay pal or similar DONATE link

lost of folk don't do snail mail check....like me
Title: Re: 2020 World Championships
Post by: Brenda Schuette on February 24, 2020, 12:31:58 PM
I will check with AMA to see if there is a way to make a donation on their website.
Title: Re: 2020 World Championships
Post by: BillLee on February 24, 2020, 12:35:03 PM
AMA will accept PayPal, Colleen will know how. We've done it in years past on previous teams.

Bill
Title: Re: 2020 World Championships
Post by: Paul Wescott on February 25, 2020, 01:03:32 PM
need a pay pal or similar DONATE link

lost of folk don't do snail mail check....like me

Also need a running total of $ collected!
If they collect $5000 then I will donate.
If they collect $50,000 then I will not.

PW
Title: Re: 2020 World Championships
Post by: Brenda Schuette on February 26, 2020, 07:17:09 AM
This is the information that I received from Colleen at AMA:

Donations to support the 2020 F2 World Championship Teams can also be made through Pay Pal at craigs@modelaircraft.org .  Please indicate that the donation is for the F2 Team.  She recommends that you email me at blschuette@cox.net so I can verify that the donation was received and credited properly.

The current amount that has been donated is $1,876.

Thanks.
Brenda
Title: Re: 2020 World Championships
Post by: Fred Cronenwett on March 02, 2020, 06:56:26 PM
The F2A CL speed Team is scheduled to show up at Buder Park in St Louis MO for some team practice on April 11-12 in the speed circle.
Title: Re: 2020 World Championships
Post by: wwwarbird on March 02, 2020, 07:42:22 PM

 Not trying to rain on the parade, but I wonder if the Coronavirus panic will throw a wrench in things?
Title: Re: 2020 World Championships
Post by: Brenda Schuette on March 10, 2020, 06:16:12 AM
Good morning everyone!  Just thought I would send an update to on the amount of donations that I have been notified of.  Our current total is $2,376. 

Thanks,
Brenda Schuette
Title: Re: 2020 World Championships
Post by: Jim Kraft on March 10, 2020, 09:30:02 AM
Congratulations Brenda. They will be in good hands. All the best to you.

Title: Re: 2020 World Championships
Post by: Steve Helmick on March 10, 2020, 12:56:55 PM
Some World Cup Free Flight contests have already been postponed until later in the year, due to the Corona Virus paranoia. Just today, I read that Formula 1 auto racing is being considered by some as a major way to spread the covid-19 virus. Paranoia is everywhere.    :-[  Steve

 
Title: Re: 2020 World Championships
Post by: mike londke on March 10, 2020, 01:30:24 PM
Some World Cup Free Flight contests have already been postponed until later in the year, due to the Corona Virus paranoia. Just today, I read that Formula 1 auto racing is being considered by some as a major way to spread the covid-19 virus. Paranoia is everywhere.    :-[  Steve
Samuel and Emma's school was closed for sanitizing Friday and Monday due to the first confirmed case in Williamson County TN. They were scheduled to resume classes today. At 5am this morning we got an automated call that classes would not resume due to an adult school worker who tested positive for Covid over the weekend. Not sure how the rest of the week will play out but I'm glad to see the school board taking steps and being proactive. Anybody got any toilet paper for sale? #^
Title: Re: 2020 World Championships
Post by: Steve Helmick on March 10, 2020, 01:38:21 PM
Just go out and buy what you need, assuming that the stores will have it in stock. You might want to call and ask. I went to Safeway yesterday, but did not check the TP aisle. I got everything I went to get. Wash your hands after you get home. We went out to dinner Sunday night. Service was good, and there was no crowd. The freeways are relatively clear and traffic is moving way better than the usual cluster. If  you cough or sneeze, you will get evil glares....  LL~ Steve
Title: Re: 2020 World Championships
Post by: mike londke on March 10, 2020, 01:50:29 PM
Just go out and buy what you need, assuming that the stores will have it in stock. You might want to call and ask. I went to Safeway yesterday, but did not check the TP aisle. I got everything I went to get. Wash your hands after you get home. We went out to dinner Sunday night. Service was good, and there was no crowd. The freeways are relatively clear and traffic is moving way better than the usual cluster. If  you cough or sneeze, you will get evil glares....  LL~ Steve
No running around, scrambling here. I'm not a crazy prepper or anything like that, but we already have adequate emergency preparedness supplies on hand. I'll know things are bad if I start getting into the freeze dried food.  LL~
Title: Re: 2020 World Championships
Post by: Howard Rush on March 10, 2020, 05:07:23 PM
I'm in lockdown at JCT Manor, keeping myself sanitary for the Team.

Thanks for the donations, folks.  We appreciate the help. 
Title: Re: 2020 World Championships
Post by: Tim Wescott on March 10, 2020, 06:29:28 PM
Argh!  Coronavirus!  Aaaagh!

I'm going to wash my innards out with whiskey as soon as I get home!  (And maybe donate some money, too).
Title: Re: 2020 World Championships
Post by: Brett Buck on March 10, 2020, 07:12:45 PM
Some World Cup Free Flight contests have already been postponed until later in the year, due to the Corona Virus paranoia. Just today, I read that Formula 1 auto racing is being considered by some as a major way to spread the covid-19 virus. Paranoia is everywhere.    :-[  Steve

   A lot of people don't know this, but before 3 weeks ago, no human being ever got sick.

    Brett
Title: Re: 2020 World Championships
Post by: Igor Burger on March 11, 2020, 02:23:08 AM
It will be during summer and it is not time for viruses here, too warm and too dry for them. So I GUESS no problem till that time.
Title: Re: 2020 World Championships
Post by: Steve Helmick on March 11, 2020, 10:23:39 AM
It will be during summer and it is not time for viruses here, too warm and too dry for them. So I GUESS no problem till that time.

As long as our elderly teams stays healthy, we're good? Having had surgery (appendix, 2001-ish and three skin cancer surgeries since), I recall asking why it was so cold in the OR. They said it was to impede the growth of germs. Did not say viruses, however. Wife had a mamo gram scheduled for last Friday and cancelled it early in the week. Meanwhile, our brilliant Governor said "old people should stay home", or something to that effect. 

We are remodeling, so when that's over, the taxes and home insurance are paid (all in April, for Igor's info), I'll see if there's a Benjamin leftover for a CL team donation.   y1 Steve
Title: Re: 2020 World Championships
Post by: Paul Walker on March 11, 2020, 10:43:24 AM
I'm in lockdown at JCT Manor, keeping myself sanitary for the Team.

Thanks for the donations, folks.  We appreciate the help.

I understand that you allowed a wayward Canadian refuge in your isolation facility. Hope you didn't infect HIM! 😜😜😜
Title: Re: 2020 World Championships
Post by: Steve Helmick on March 11, 2020, 11:09:36 AM
I understand that you allowed a wayward Canadian refuge in your isolation facility. Hope you didn't infect HIM! 😜😜😜

Or HER!  BW@  Steve
Title: Re: 2020 World Championships
Post by: Brett Buck on March 11, 2020, 11:42:43 AM
I understand that you allowed a wayward Canadian refuge in your isolation facility. Hope you didn't infect HIM! 😜😜😜

  Don't let the politeness fool you.  I have already been a victim of the insidious Canadian Germ Warfare programs, from 2013 Golden State.

    Brett

Title: Re: 2020 World Championships
Post by: Howard Rush on March 11, 2020, 12:58:23 PM
  Don't let the politeness fool you.  I have already been a victim of the insidious Canadian Germ Warfare programs, from 2013 Golden State.

That’s why we have been prophylactically chugalugging the colloidal silver.
Title: Re: 2020 World Championships
Post by: Dan McEntee on March 11, 2020, 09:56:59 PM
That’s why we have been prophylactically chugalugging the colloidal silver.


    LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~
   OY!
   Type at you (cough, cough) Later,
    Dan McEntee
Title: Re: 2020 World Championships
Post by: BYU on March 11, 2020, 10:31:26 PM
   A lot of people don't know this, but before 3 weeks ago, no human being ever got sick.

    Brett

It doesn’t take someone as capable as you to do the math here. If this virus is not contained, millions of American citizens and residents could die. Compared to an average of 42,000 annual deaths from Flu.
How about some compassion here for those who have lost loved ones and friends to this pathogen.

“We did all the right moves, If we didn’t do what we did, you would have had a million people die, maybe more, maybe two million people die.”

President Trump - April 29, 2020
Title: Re: 2020 World Championships
Post by: Brett Buck on March 11, 2020, 11:04:19 PM

It doesn’t take someone as capable as you to do the math here. If this virus is not contained, between 3 and 15 million American citizens and residents will die. Compared to an average of 42,000 annual deaths from Flu.



  The virus will not be contained, any more than any other previous virus has been contained. We will see, I think we will find your numbers are grossly inflated - scare-story stuff. In this case, it's particular bullshit because there are a bunch of US politicians hoping for a disaster and pulling for american deaths so they can win an election.

     I would also note that when this was first declared a "public health emergency" by the president - on JANUARY 31, six weeks ago - it was barely noted, and the few references were to the declaration that his travel ban from China was "racist" and "a distraction" and - because that was the day the Senate was voting to impeach him!!!   Every previous attempt to protect the country from illegals was screeched at on high as "racist" and proved he and everyone who supported him as a "white supremecist" . Not one person on the left had done one damn thing about it, they were too busy dicking around with an utterly absurd political kabuki play that was metaphysically certain to fail.

   Now, those same people are ripping him for "not doing enough" and failing to note that the President has limited powers to do anything - congress writes laws, the senate votes on them, and the President signs or vetos, and then executes those laws. He isn't supposed to just make up stuff from whole cloth. We operated that way *during the Civil War*, and the few attempts to dodge that process were soundly rebuffed. A few years back, SARS (which a far higher mortality/morbidity rate) came and went with no real comment and no real problem in the USA.  Now there's a crisis, everybody wants unilateral action. Todays travel ban from Europe is currently being ripped as a "political stunt".

   It's either dictatorship, or not.  Trump has been trying to control influxes of illegal immigrants from Day one, the left fought him tooth and nail every inch of the way. Now, all of the sudden, we round up illegals and put them in internment camps?   What the f*ck is it that everybody wants?

     Panicking and running around like chickens with our heads cut off, and encouraging others to do the same , is the *very worst thing you could possibly do*. 

    Brett

PS: and this:

Quote
How about some compassion here for those who have lost loved ones and friends to this pathogen.

   Good question, who doesn't have compassion?  What about everyone else whose life has been affected by unrestricted illegal immigration"? What about compassion for Kate Steinle? My whole point is that absolutely no one on the left *gave one flying rat's ass* about any of this stuff or had any compassion for US citizens and residents until about two weeks ago, when they could do an abrupt 180, contradict everything they have every complained about unremittingly for the last 3.5 years,  and are now complaining about "Trump doing nothing" instead of "Trump is Hitler".

  Is it a tragedy when people die? Of course, who said it wasn't? Is it a particular tragedy when people die due to politics? Even more so, but if so, where was the compassion a month ago, when no one gave a sh*t about this at all and Trump was a racist and Adolf Hitler Jr for even suggesting we do something about it?  Selective compassion?  *This sort of situation is exactly and precisely the sort of think that Trump was warning you all about, and trying to prevent*. Again, he was *absolutely correct about this and has been since 2014*.
Title: Re: 2020 World Championships
Post by: Derek Barry on March 12, 2020, 05:23:27 AM
  The virus will not be contained, any more than any other previous virus has been contained. We will see, I think we will find your numbers are grossly inflated - scare-story stuff. In this case, it's particular bullshit because there are a bunch of US politicians hoping for a disaster and pulling for american deaths so they can win an election.

     I would also note that when this was first declared a "public health emergency" by the president - on JANUARY 31, six weeks ago - it was barely noted, and the few references were to the declaration that his travel ban from China was "racist" and "a distraction" and - because that was the day the Senate was voting to impeach him!!!   Every previous attempt to protect the country from illegals was screeched at on high as "racist" and proved he and everyone who supported him as a "white supremecist" . Not one person on the left had done one damn thing about it, they were too busy dicking around with an utterly absurd political kabuki play that was metaphysically certain to fail.

   Now, those same people are ripping him for "not doing enough" and failing to note that the President has limited powers to do anything - congress writes laws, the senate votes on them, and the President signs or vetos, and then executes those laws. He isn't supposed to just make up stuff from whole cloth. We operated that way *during the Civil War*, and the few attempts to dodge that process were soundly rebuffed. A few years back, SARS (which a far higher mortality/morbidity rate) came and went with no real comment and no real problem in the USA.  Now there's a crisis, everybody wants unilateral action. Todays travel ban from Europe is currently being ripped as a "political stunt".

   It's either dictatorship, or not.  Trump has been trying to control influxes of illegal immigrants from Day one, the left fought him tooth and nail every inch of the way. Now, all of the sudden, we round up illegals and put them in internment camps?   What the f*ck is it that everybody wants?

     Panicking and running around like chickens with our heads cut off, and encouraging others to do the same , is the *very worst thing you could possibly do*. 

    Brett

PS: and this:

   Good question, who doesn't have compassion?  What about everyone else whose life has been affected by unrestricted illegal immigration"? What about compassion for Kate Steinle? My whole point is that absolutely no one on the left *gave one flying rat's ass* about any of this stuff or had any compassion for US citizens and residents until about two weeks ago, when they could do an abrupt 180, contradict everything they have every complained about unremittingly for the last 3.5 years,  and are now complaining about "Trump doing nothing" instead of "Trump is Hitler".

  Is it a tragedy when people die? Of course, who said it wasn't? Is it a particular tragedy when people die due to politics? Even more so, but if so, where was the compassion a month ago, when no one gave a sh*t about this at all and Trump was a racist and Adolf Hitler Jr for even suggesting we do something about it?  Selective compassion?  *This sort of situation is exactly and precisely the sort of think that Trump was warning you all about, and trying to prevent*. Again, he was *absolutely correct about this and has been since 2014*.

100% correct.

As I sit here and watch the news this morning,  I feel my anger and blood pressure going up. All this so called emergency has proven,  is that at least 50% of this country shouldn't be allowed to vote. They are far too stupid to make rational decisions. 

Derek
Title: Re: 2020 World Championships
Post by: Tom McClain on March 12, 2020, 09:50:01 AM
Derek and Brett, couldn't have said it better.

Tom McClain
Title: Re: 2020 World Championships
Post by: Brett Buck on March 12, 2020, 09:56:48 AM
Derek and Brett, couldn't have said it better.

Actually, I might be able to - this is a cross-post from another message board (where the board op was praising the Communist Chinese Government for their strong measures to prevent disease(!)):

This is not solely a political problem or issue - it's a sociological issue. When everyone is safe and warm, they tend to rail against any form of authority, and can find all sorts of "facsim" (a term which virtually no one actually understands) in the most innocuous act. The instant even a minor threat to their safety, like a bad flu, comes along, they panic, and then ask for and demand the most draconian authoritarian measures.

I think part of the issue is that close to two generations have grown up with, effectively, no realistic threat to their lives or livelihood in any way. For some reason, lacking any real challenges or strife, people have to invent them, with one hysterically overblown "crisis" that is unique in the history of humanity (and for some of them, claimed to be unique in the life of the entire planet) after another. When one of them fails to pan out, they invent another one. This flu seems to fit their model of apocalyptic doom, which is obviously isn't, so it triggered all their pent-up survival instinct and now they are beating down the door of the authorities, begging everyone to tell them what to do, no matter how draconian/illegal/unconstitutional.

Brett
Title: Re: 2020 World Championships
Post by: Tom McClain on March 12, 2020, 10:33:33 AM
Brett,try this on for size. Robert Heinlein in his 1948 novel starship trooper suggested that only veterans or those are willing to put their ass on the line for the nation be allowed to vote.  Today he is called a fascist for putting that in print.

Tom McClain
Title: Re: 2020 World Championships
Post by: Steve Helmick on March 12, 2020, 12:03:15 PM
I'm waiting for those hu-mons to say that corona virus is because of "Global Warming". Cannot believe they have yet to link the two. Total hogwash.

Meanwhile, traffic is much lighter and Walmart is a much more pleasant place.  LL~ Steve
Title: Re: 2020 World Championships
Post by: Steve Berry on March 12, 2020, 02:43:18 PM
Brett Buck for Pres!
Derek Barry for VP!

Just gotta wait for.....2032 to roll around (Trump 2020, Trump Jr 2024/2028)
Title: Re: 2020 World Championships
Post by: frank williams on March 12, 2020, 03:01:46 PM
Remember the swine flu in 2009-10

USA Swine Flu infections below,  .....

    CDC estimates that between 43 million and 89 million cases of 2009 H1N1 occurred between April 2009 and 10 April 2010. The mid-level in this range is about 61 million people infected with 2009 H1N1.
    CDC estimates that between about 195,000 and 403,000 H1N1-related hospitalizations occurred between April 2009 and 10 April 2010. The mid-level in this range is about 274,000 2009 H1N1-related hospitalizations.
    CDC estimates that between about 8,870 and 18,300 2009 H1N1-related deaths occurred between April 2009 and 10 April 2010. The mid-level in this range is about 12,470 2009 H1N1-related deaths.


so ... 60M US infected .... 300K hospitalizations .... 12.5K deaths ..... and we barely remember it ........ these are USA numbers only not world wide ...
Title: Re: 2020 World Championships
Post by: Larry Fernandez on March 12, 2020, 06:01:42 PM
This Coronavirus scare has gotten Way out of hand.
NHL hockey shut down
MLB Baseball shut down
NBA Basketball shut down
Concerts and plays cancelled
Airline flights cancelled

The left is loving this, as this is all going to play hell with
the economy. Democrats are all over this like rabid jackels
They are already blaming Trump for this unfortunate issue.
Sad times for America

Larry,Buttafucco Stunt Team
Title: Re: 2020 World Championships
Post by: Brett Buck on March 12, 2020, 08:25:22 PM
This Coronavirus scare has gotten Way out of hand.
The left is loving this, as this is all going to play hell with
the economy. Democrats are all over this like rabid jackels

   They are practically dancing in the streets over the prospect of widespread disease and death. That's just how much they care.

     Brett
Title: Re: 2020 World Championships
Post by: wwwarbird on March 12, 2020, 08:55:04 PM
 Thanks Brett, it's very refreshing to hear some common sense and logic, extremely hard to find anywhere right now. Also, I agree with your entire analysis of the "pandemic".

 Here's one...

 While having lunch today at the KFC just down the street from work I watched a 70-ish year old woman actually wash her hands at the soda dispenser. With no qualms whatsoever she stepped up to it, held in the "water" selector to full-on for about 20 seconds while writhing her hands together under it the whole time. Then she shook them off and grabbed a bunch of napkins out of the dispenser and finished drying. Apparently she was too paranoid to use the restroom (and SOAP) that she strolled right by at the entrance.
Title: Re: 2020 World Championships
Post by: Brett Buck on March 12, 2020, 09:30:59 PM
Brett,try this on for size. Robert Heinlein in his 1948 novel starship trooper suggested that only veterans or those are willing to put their ass on the line for the nation be allowed to vote.  Today he is called a fascist for putting that in print.

   Seems a bit much to me.     If nothing else, it would leave me out, too, and many of my generation - who, due to prior generation's success at defense, haven't needed to sign up for a widespread general war since 1945. I am quite satisfied with my contributions to our national defense.

   While I certainly honor and am immensely grateful for you and others who were willing/able to put their lives on the line for the rest of us, the point was to support our system of government and the American people - and not just the ones that agree with you. Just like the first and second amendments - you have unprecedented freedom of action and personal liberty, which also means every random moron has the same. You have to put up with racists/anti-semites/communists/socialists/globalists, etc,  and imbeciles of every stripe, that's part of the cost.

        Of course, calling someone a facist means almost nothing anymore - because the people who reflexively use that line of reasoning are so stupid, and ignorant - since they have *absolutely no idea what it means*, and have somehow convinced themselves it is synonymous with "conservative". When in actual fact, it's a form of socialism - not quite communism, but aside from who owns the businesses, has exactly the same goals and always, inevitably,  ends up as a totalitarian police state. There is nothing more incompatible with the concepts of personal liberty and self-government than *a totalitarian dictatorship", it is utterly inconceivable that a someone who believes in the founding principles of the United States could support facism.

     I am perfectly satisfied with the system as designed, and if someone wants to change it, there's a system for that, too. These systems have proven the most successful and beneficial in human history.   I do object to throwing out every precept we have because some people are going to get sick, and a few people are going to die. The idiots were calling Trump a dictator every chance they got - until about two weeks ago, when they suddenly decided he wasn't *enough* of a dictator. While the people who are charged with setting policy and passing laws were having a left-wing circle jerk that was both pointless and doomed to failure. Both extremes are ridiculous and the American public deserves much, much better.

      Brett
Title: Re: 2020 World Championships
Post by: John Leidle on March 12, 2020, 09:52:20 PM
   15,000,000 Americans can die from this thing ? Where did you get your information ?
Title: Re: 2020 World Championships
Post by: Sean McEntee on March 12, 2020, 10:43:56 PM
I’m just waiting for my 14-day vaca...i mean quarantine. 
Title: Re: 2020 World Championships
Post by: Gary Dowler on March 15, 2020, 06:11:34 PM
This Coronavirus scare has gotten Way out of hand.
NHL hockey shut down
MLB Baseball shut down
NBA Basketball shut down
Concerts and plays cancelled
Airline flights cancelled

The left is loving this, as this is all going to play hell with
the economy. Democrats are all over this like rabid jackels
They are already blaming Trump for this unfortunate issue.
Sad times for America

Larry,Buttafucco Stunt Team

Yes they are. This is their "salvation" (they hope) in this election year. As it stands their only possible candidates are a 78yo communist revolutionary with a known heart condition, and a 77yo only slightly less radical progressive liberal who is obviously suffering from dementia. In other words, they know they are going to get their asses handed to them unless something else happens. Then came Covid-19.  They seized this as a means to hijack the steamin economy, which they had no counter to, and to hijack the public perception of the Presidents competence in dealing with unexpected crisis. Their lackeys in the media are all too happy to help with this.
It's all just a furtherance of the tantrum the left has been throwing for over 3 years now. And we are left to deal with it all.

Gary
Title: Re: 2020 World Championships
Post by: Arlan McKee on March 15, 2020, 06:56:20 PM
Yes they are. This is their "salvation" (they hope) in this election year. As it stands their only possible candidates are a 78yo communist revolutionary with a known heart condition, and a 77yo only slightly less radical progressive liberal who is obviously suffering from dementia. In other words, they know they are going to get their asses handed to them unless something else happens. Then came Covid-19.  They seized this as a means to hijack the steamin economy, which they had no counter to, and to hijack the public perception of the Presidents competence in dealing with unexpected crisis. Their lackeys in the media are all too happy to help with this.
It's all just a furtherance of the tantrum the left has been throwing for over 3 years now. And we are left to deal with it all.

Gary

Amen.
Title: Re: 2020 World Championships
Post by: Brett Buck on March 15, 2020, 10:18:09 PM
Yes they are. This is their "salvation" (they hope) in this election year. As it stands their only possible candidates are a 78yo communist revolutionary with a known heart condition, and a 77yo only slightly less radical progressive liberal who is obviously suffering from dementia. In other words, they know they are going to get their asses handed to them unless something else happens. Then came Covid-19.  They seized this as a means to hijack the steamin economy, which they had no counter to, and to hijack the public perception of the Presidents competence in dealing with unexpected crisis. Their lackeys in the media are all too happy to help with this.
It's all just a furtherance of the tantrum the left has been throwing for over 3 years now. And we are left to deal with it all.


  It's worse than that. It's not about winning this election, it's getting people comfortable with, or even demand, strong government control of individual lives (in the name of "safety") and to show that the health care system (that they have systematically destroyed) must be replaced with socialized medicine. They have to spin up a panic, and then they can swoop in as your saviors. They even got churches closed! This situation is a leftist wet dream, expect them to play it to the very hilt. It won't be long before cable news puts up a "death toll counter" in the corners of the screens.

   I have seen, already, sly suggestions that, you know, people are putting out less CO2, more people are getting exercise by riding a bike instead of the subway, so maybe this is not so bad. Expect calls for this as the "new normal" - and already, people are talking about being on effective lockdown for 2 years or more.

    The is their fondest dream come true!

    Brett
   
     
Title: Re: 2020 World Championships
Post by: Gary Dowler on March 15, 2020, 10:29:44 PM
Agreed 100%.

My wife works in surgery at a major hospital. She told me tonight that they are canceling almost all elective cases. Running short on masks, gloves, etc. one reason on the gloves is that a major medical supplier had a big wharehouse wiped out in that recent tornado. Rather bad timing there.

I went to the store tonight. No panic buying, just a few things we simply need anyway.  I've never seen store shelves look like this!  Ever!   Nothing left on the bread aisle at all. No soup, no star, virtually no vegetables, low on burger, cheese, hotdogs, breakfast cereal and the list goes on. Absolutely unprecedented in my nearly 57 years.

Our socialist governor is talking about mandating the closing of all dine-in restaurants. He has closed all schools until 4/24. He has even been rumored to be discussing closing the state borders.

Liberals at their finest. Make people afraid, trap them, threaten with arrest if you don't comply, limit their food and healthcare, then enact sweeping legislation to "save" them from it all.

This should be fun.

Title: Re: 2020 World Championships
Post by: proparc on March 16, 2020, 01:02:55 PM


     Panicking and running around like chickens with our heads cut off, and encouraging others to do the same , is the *very worst thing you could possibly do*. 

    Brett


Amen to That Brother!! Taiwan is doing incredibly well with their Covid 19 program because they didn't panic, and instituted their already in place protocols from the SARS program. Strategy and intelligence- not politics!!
Title: Re: 2020 World Championships
Post by: wwwarbird on March 16, 2020, 09:52:10 PM
  It's worse than that. It's not about winning this election, it's getting people comfortable with, or even demand, strong government control of individual lives (in the name of "safety") and to show that the health care system (that they have systematically destroyed) must be replaced with socialized medicine. They have to spin up a panic, and then they can swoop in as your saviors. They even got churches closed! This situation is a leftist wet dream, expect them to play it to the very hilt. It won't be long before cable news puts up a "death toll counter" in the corners of the screens.

   I have seen, already, sly suggestions that, you know, people are putting out less CO2, more people are getting exercise by riding a bike instead of the subway, so maybe this is not so bad. Expect calls for this as the "new normal" - and already, people are talking about being on effective lockdown for 2 years or more.

    The is their fondest dream come true!

    Brett
   

 Precisely.
Title: Re: 2020 World Championships
Post by: Steve Helmick on March 17, 2020, 11:51:32 AM
SARS, Legionnaires, Ebola, West Nile Fever, AIDS...not to mention Cholera, Scarlet Fever, Black Plague and the Great Influenza of 1919 (that killed my Grandfather at 36 years old)….yet humans are still here...more than enough, in fact. No reason for an Alien Invasion from Mars

Meanwhile, take care of yourselves. Have a beer. There has been some useful self-diagnosis tips provided from Japan and Taiwan.

1) They say to take a deep breath and hold for 10+ seconds...if you can, you're good. If not, then your lungs may be compromised, so go to the ER.
B) If your mouth is dry...be wary, it can be an early symptom. Drink a lot of fluids (that's where the beer comes in!), but keep track of dry mouth symptom and repeat #1.  If you wait too long to go to the ER, your lungs are toast.

I'd still like to know what they do in the hospital to stop this virus, since antibiotics are not supposed to work on viruses. But Tom Hanks and his squeeze have been released from hospital, so they must have something that works. Look for medical insurance to cost more. 

The CIAM (modelling side of FAI) has already sent out a warning that a lot of events may be cancelled or delayed (months) start, and to keep up on the status as you make travel plans.

 D>K Steve
Title: Re: 2020 World Championships
Post by: Brett Buck on March 17, 2020, 12:12:53 PM
SARS,

   That's a good compare/contrast example. SARS was much worse in terms of death rate than Wuhan (which is actually a variant on SARS) and yet we managed to not shred the constitution and destroy 75% of the country while it was around. But, when it came around, Obama was the president and the democrats ran everything. Now, a similar situation arises with Trump in charge, and every little Hitler in the country immediately leaps to the most draconian totalitarian measures.

   We haven't seen the total number of cases accurately because (like with SARS) we don't have a lot of testing going on, and it's certain that many, many more people have had it or been exposed than we currently know about, almost all of which have recovered, and may never have even known they were sick. A cold has gone around for about a month and a half, just like they come around every winter. Wuhan? Who knows. Several people at work have tested positive and were sent home, a few people went home because of contact.  No one else appears to have had an issue.

   We are going to get exempted from the "shelter in place" because we are launching a spacecraft next week. The Space Force isn't shutting itself down, we have a contract that says we are a program critical to national security, so until/unless the Space Force calls it off, we are going.

      Brett