Author Topic: 2020 Nats Opportunity (Read 12945 times)

John Paris · « **Reply #250 on:** June 17, 2020, 04:36:03 PM »

No airplane but perhaps a big trophy?

Dave_Trible · « **Reply #251 on:** June 17, 2020, 05:54:09 PM »

Yeah I forgot about that......

Dave

Larry Fruits · « **Reply #252 on:** June 18, 2020, 06:58:28 AM »

Hi Dave,

P.M. sent concerning Dave Fitzgerald transportation to Muncie.

Blessings;
Larry

Dave_Trible · « **Reply #253 on:** June 18, 2020, 07:13:34 AM »

FYI we have a plan A and plan B about getting David picked up.

Dave

Steve Fitton · « **Reply #254 on:** June 18, 2020, 02:36:20 PM »

Quote from: Dave_Trible on June 18, 2020, 07:13:34 AM

FYI we have a plan A and plan B about getting David picked up.

Dave

Part of the opening ceremonies should be David parachuting in from a passing C-17

Dave_Trible · « **Reply #255 on:** June 18, 2020, 02:49:41 PM »

Why didn’t I think of that? Might scratch that dang cup though.

Dave

Bob Hunt · « **Reply #256 on:** June 19, 2020, 12:53:22 PM »

Here's a suggestion for the appearance point judging issue: How about just having the pilots place their models in the appearance point area, and then have the judges just look at the tops of the models. That way they never have to pick up the models at all. They can simply record the numbers on a sheet and then transfer them to a master board that everyone can look at after the judging. I know this has never been done before, but then we've not had anywhere near the extraordinary circumstances that we have this year.

Hey, don't shoot the messenger...

Bob Hunt

john e. holliday · « **Reply #257 on:** June 19, 2020, 12:59:56 PM »

That sounds like what is done at most local contests. The judges score appearance when plane is put on the circle. No separate appearance judge.

Bob Hunt · « **Reply #258 on:** June 19, 2020, 01:18:09 PM »

Hi Doc:

Yeah, except this would be done at one venue at one time. It would be the same for everyone, and those who have an issue with the models being touched and possibly contaminated would have their fears assuaged. Not sublime, perhaps, but safer and possibly quicker too.

I'm not advocating this, just making a suggestion...

Bob

Matt Brown · « **Reply #259 on:** June 19, 2020, 01:59:52 PM »

Seems obvious to me but handling the planes while appearance judging seems easy enough. Judges put on a pair of gloves while handling the planes. Once done they toss the gloves. Tell all pilots that there is a possibility of viral transfer. If they are concerned about it, they put on a pair of gloves and carry their plane to a socially distant spot and disinfect it as they see fit. Those of us that aren’t concerned just pick up our planes and go get in more practice!

Matt

Dave_Trible · « **Reply #260 on:** June 19, 2020, 02:37:38 PM »

Quote from: Bob Hunt on June 19, 2020, 12:53:22 PM

Here's a suggestion for the appearance point judging issue: How about just having the pilots place their models in the appearance point area, and then have the judges just look at the tops of the models. That way they never have to pick up the models at all. They can simply record the numbers on a sheet and then transfer them to a master board that everyone can look at after the judging. I know this has never been done before, but then we've not had anywhere near the extraordinary circumstances that we have this year.

Hey, don't shoot the messenger...

Bob Hunt

Hello Bob. Well that’s something close to what I mentioned earlier. I haven’t read the judges guide to see if it says anything about the bottom of the plane. I could get a scrap of carpet to put on the table and the judges might ask the contestants to turn the crate over. Just bought 150 pair of nitrile gloves so either way. I’ll look at the guide and be talking to our judges, Mike Londke and Mike Eber. Thanks Bob!

Dave

Trostle · « **Reply #261 on:** June 19, 2020, 03:18:24 PM »

Quote from: Bob Hunt on June 19, 2020, 12:53:22 PM

Here's a suggestion for the appearance point judging issue: How about just having the pilots place their models in the appearance point area, and then have the judges just look at the tops of the models.

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I know this has never been done before, but then we've not had anywhere near the extraordinary circumstances that we have this year.

Hey, don't shoot the messenger...

Bob Hunt

Hi Bob,

Brings back memories from "several" years ago. Two people (who you know) were doing the appearance judging. When they came up to one model, it had a striking, attractive and well executed and buffed out color scheme. This was the impression until the model was turned over. The bottom had not been polished and color lines needed to be cleaned up to name a few of the problems. The model was placed among the "average, so-so" models. The pilot had received the Concours award the year before. He got a bit upset and submitted a protest. The judges showed the Event Director the problems with the inconsistent finish and the ED upheld the judges' score. The pilot took his model and went home. Evidently, he was used to models at local contests only being judged without the bottoms being looked at.

Yes, times are different with the Nats this year. I would suggest that the appearance judges this year not handle the airplanes at all.

Note to Dave Trible: There is nothing in the Judges' Guide about appearance judging. You have a good idea to have the pilot turn the plane over on a carpet or blanket for the judgess to look, without the need to touch it.

Keith

bob whitney · « **Reply #262 on:** June 19, 2020, 03:52:18 PM »

like Scale, put it on a table with a blanket on it to bring it more up to eye level and let the contestant move it around

Dave_Trible · « **Reply #263 on:** June 19, 2020, 05:09:08 PM »

Thanks Keith, saved me looking for something that isn't there-maybe it should be?.......I'm leaning heavily towards you and Bob's suggestion of the pilots doing all the handling. I'll get some soft carpet and have them turn the planes over. We may have a helper who actually is handed the score and leads the pilot to the proper row. It would be better if the pilots NOT start any discussions over the score with the judges, at least during this judging. This could actually take even less time if the judges don't handle the planes and have to walk them around. I've talked with one of the Mikes and he is fine with it.
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Dave

Trostle · « **Reply #264 on:** June 19, 2020, 07:18:05 PM »

Quote from: Dave_Trible on June 19, 2020, 05:09:08 PM

Thanks Keith, saved me looking for something that isn't there-maybe it should be?

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Dave

Dave,

I know this is not pertinent to the current discussion, but I think your comment above has to do with putting some sort of guide in the judges' guide for appearance judging. If you want to stir up a hornet's nest, that is a good way to start.

Keith

Dave_Trible · « **Reply #265 on:** June 19, 2020, 07:25:45 PM »

Oh I dare not! Please excuse the suggestion......

Howard Rush · « **Reply #266 on:** June 19, 2020, 08:04:58 PM »

We’re the Jive Combat Team.
We know what is cookin’.
Our stunt is superb
And our bottoms good lookin’.

Dave_Trible · « **Reply #267 on:** June 20, 2020, 05:39:28 AM »

Howard is in good form.

Dave

Shorts,David · « **Reply #268 on:** June 21, 2020, 06:14:36 PM »

I'm going to play Brett Buck's advocate here (isn't there some sort of saying about playing someone's advocate..

)because I completely agree with the spirit of his comments. Make the appearance decision soon, publish it, stick with it so there are no surprises.
Respectfully,

David

Tom Luciano · « **Reply #269 on:** June 21, 2020, 06:29:29 PM »

My plan is this fir the next 3 weeks.

Dave_Trible · « **Reply #270 on:** June 21, 2020, 06:45:50 PM »

‘At a boy Tom! That’s the road to success in this game.

David today I bought a small carpet to lay on a table. We are going to do just what we were talking about above. The judges won’t actually handle the airplanes. The pilot will stay with his airplane and lay it on the table. When asked he will turn it over. The judges will pass their score to their helper who will record the score on a master score sheet and escort the pilot to the proper place to put the airplane down. This should move a little more quickly than the check in, signing of the AMA safety declaration sheet and weighing of the airplane which will be done as the flyers first arrive at the tent.

Dave

Paul Walker · « **Reply #271 on:** June 25, 2020, 03:58:13 PM »

Very nice to see that Brett B has entered!

29 Open entries now. Glad to see that.

Allen Goff · « **Reply #272 on:** June 25, 2020, 04:50:36 PM »

!Joyce emailed me that the repairs on the L pad started today, should take about 4 day’s.I’ll be going out there tomorrow Friday to check it out, I’ll report tomorrow evening.
Blessings
Allen

Dave_Trible · « **Reply #273 on:** June 25, 2020, 04:58:42 PM »

Quote from: Allen Goff on June 25, 2020, 04:50:36 PM

!Joyce emailed me that the repairs on the L pad started today, should take about 4 day’s.I’ll be going out there tomorrow Friday to check it out, I’ll report tomorrow evening.
Blessings
Allen

Gee Allen I just spent $100 on 4" wide duct tape...............

Dave

Allen Goff · « **Reply #274 on:** June 25, 2020, 08:08:48 PM »

Dave, sorry but the cracks are bigger this year, $100 would not have covered it. LOL.

Paul Walker · « **Reply #275 on:** June 25, 2020, 08:15:59 PM »

What happened to the repaving that was supposed to have been done a year or so ago?

Allen Goff · « **Reply #276 on:** June 25, 2020, 09:19:00 PM »

Paul, I have been working with Joyce on the paving problem for three years now and the problem was no paving company in Indiana had room to fit into there years.all were under contract to state roadwork. Believe me we are lucky to get it now. This is considered a “5 year fix”. My son in law is a engineer for one of the largest paving companies in the Midwest and they are so consumed with interstate contracts that small jobs are not even considered.
Don’t look a gift horse in the mouth.
Blessings

Brett Buck · « **Reply #277 on:** June 25, 2020, 10:08:58 PM »

Quote from: Paul Walker on June 25, 2020, 03:58:13 PM

Very nice to see that Brett B has entered!

That jackass? Worthless.

It remains to be seen how well travelling will work out by two weeks from now. I might get quarantined in motel in Wyoming for two weeks.

Brett

Dave_Trible · « **Reply #278 on:** June 26, 2020, 08:53:51 AM »

I am needing to find a replacement for a Pit Boss. Anyone going who would like to help please let me know ASAP.

Thanks

Dave

Allen Goff · « **Reply #279 on:** June 26, 2020, 10:29:14 AM »

Repairs at AMA ongoing
Blessings