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Re: 2018 Nats Coverage
« Reply #50 on: July 11, 2018, 06:09:46 AM »
I think today is D day for Sparky.   GO SPARKY!!!!    Make today like when you raced speedway: wide open with no brakes.   


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« Reply #56 on: July 11, 2018, 08:45:54 AM »
AMA number on Kestus is on the wrong wing.....
I know a flyer that did the same thing and had to present the model for appearance with Magic Marker numbers on the right wing, per rules

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« Reply #57 on: July 11, 2018, 10:33:23 AM »
Coverage has gone dark.  I hope Sparky is OK.  We seriously need to consider getting him some help next year.  Not fair to ask him to do the work of 5 people when he is already doing the work of 4.
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« Reply #58 on: July 11, 2018, 11:16:29 AM »
The flying for today is complete.  We are waiting for our hard working tabulation crew to finish their work.
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« Reply #60 on: July 11, 2018, 11:24:51 AM »
While we wait;
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« Reply #67 on: July 11, 2018, 11:55:10 AM »
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« Reply #71 on: July 11, 2018, 12:15:14 PM »
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« Reply #72 on: July 11, 2018, 12:22:59 PM »
Thanks for keeping us posted.

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« Reply #73 on: July 11, 2018, 12:34:12 PM »
Sparky 530.5.      y1

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« Reply #74 on: July 11, 2018, 01:11:50 PM »
Thanks Dave for the updates!!

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« Reply #75 on: July 11, 2018, 01:39:54 PM »
Sparky 530.5.      y1

   Looks pretty good for qualifying on his circle.

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« Reply #76 on: July 11, 2018, 08:24:29 PM »

 Thanks for the updates and all the great pics Dave, keep'em coming!  ;D
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« Reply #77 on: July 11, 2018, 08:26:11 PM »
Wind was from the east over five-foot corn. It made for unusual-for-Muncie turbulence.
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« Reply #78 on: July 12, 2018, 12:55:29 AM »
Wind was from the east over five-foot corn. It made for unusual-for-Muncie turbulence.

  Oh, boo hoo.   I sat around in a windowless room, editing the symbol table in my Word document, and marking paragraphs "keep with next..." or not, for 12 straight hours, more or less. You were out flying model airplanes at the greatest contest in the world.

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« Reply #79 on: July 12, 2018, 03:43:33 AM »
Today calls for a bit lighter breezes and pleasant temperatures.  Tomorrow even lighter air to near calm in the afternoon.  Biggest issue will be that it is all coming from the east over the corn.  We agreed at the Pampa meeting last night (pretty good general attendance-Thank You)to request the farmer be asked to grow radishes next year.
In regards to that and the posted ByLaw changes...This exact info will be published in the next Stunt News and about two weeks following, members will be mailed a ballot to vote for the changes.  This will require a 2/3rds vote by the replying general membership.
Other news is that AMA has plans in the works to rip up and redo the LPad in the near future.  This will be about a $1,000,000 project.  We are requesting the section around circle 1 be widened as the circle barely fits as is and Judges have to stand in wet grass and there is no safe walk-around.
There was also some interest and discussion about bringing the Worlds here once again........
Lastly I want to add a couple "help wanted" adds:

Our long serving Secretary/Treasurer Mike Strand I asking to step down as 'life' is overtaking him.  This is an important key position and we need to find a replacement ASAP.  Some experience in accounting and bookkeeping is very helpful.  This person DOES NOT have to be an active flier nor a male.......Please inquire.
Also we are still looking for a Historian for PAMPA and STUNT more generally.  Part museum curator /part transcriber to take the existing years of 'stuff' to load into the cyber domain and create a library on our website.  BIG DEAL!
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« Reply #80 on: July 12, 2018, 06:58:06 AM »
Wind was from the east over five-foot corn. It made for unusual-for-Muncie turbulence.
In Dallas we would call that perfect air!

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« Reply #85 on: July 12, 2018, 11:16:44 AM »
It was surprising to see INTERMEDIATE scores high up in the 500's.  WOW!  Is that just "inflation", or is sandbagging going on?
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« Reply #86 on: July 12, 2018, 11:31:32 AM »
It was surprising to see INTERMEDIATE scores high up in the 500's.  WOW!  Is that just "inflation", or is sandbagging going on?

It's just different judges. I see 600s coming from the left coast all the time, but it's pretty much impossible to fly a 600.

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« Reply #87 on: July 12, 2018, 11:36:32 AM »
Floyd there may have been a little score creep in the last few years.  Bart Klapinski won back then with something like 491 points-WITH the old 40 point appearance system.  Our judges staff here this week have been ‘untouchables ‘.  No payoffs big enough to buy any extra points.

All week has been an adventure with computer program complications.  It may be a while before I can post flight orders for tomorrow.  The pilots themselves may want to stay tuned in here if you leave the field.

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« Reply #88 on: July 12, 2018, 11:46:58 AM »
It was surprising to see INTERMEDIATE scores high up in the 500's.  WOW!  Is that just "inflation", or is sandbagging going on?

  Neither, really.  I wasn't there, this time, of course, but more-or-less the same thing happens every time to one degree or another. With only other intermediate fliers in the group, there are no relative references. Put everyone from David and Paul down to the last-placer in beginner in one group, everyone knows that they can't give the less-good fliers consistent 30+ point scores or they will run out of room for David, and, they are using David and Paul the quality of the intermediate maneuvers are very obviously less good.

    When I judged intermediate at the NATs (first time it ever happened), there were 3 intermediate circles, and two of the three had many scores in the upper 400s/low 500s. The one that Leonard Neumann and I judged had everyone below 400 points except for one (Dorin, as it turns out, who was clearly the best of our group). They ran it like qualifying, so Dorin and a few others made it to the flyoff, where Dorin won with a low-500s score. Later he got his free entry into Advanced, where he got -wait for it - low 400s scores. The system chose the right winners all along, which is the only goal, but the absolute scores didn't match some abstract conception of the "right" scores.

    Everything is *relative*. I am sure there were some pretty good flights, but you don't have to attribute high scores to some sort of malfeasance (sandbagging) or irrationality. Thats why all this ex post facto "analysis" of scores is at best pointless and many times complete bullshit. If you get a 535 and win, that's better than getting a 608 and losing and it might be the same quality flight.

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« Reply #89 on: July 12, 2018, 11:50:22 AM »
It's just different judges. I see 600s coming from the left coast all the time, but it's pretty much impossible to fly a 600.


   Not enough vortex generators.

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« Reply #90 on: July 12, 2018, 12:01:06 PM »
With the minimum of human manipulation,  here we are:
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« Reply #91 on: July 12, 2018, 12:26:53 PM »
Thanks for the updates, Dave.  And congrats on the top 20!
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« Reply #92 on: July 12, 2018, 12:27:46 PM »

   Not enough vortex generators.

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That must be it.

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« Reply #93 on: July 12, 2018, 12:35:00 PM »
It's just different judges. I see 600s coming from the left coast all the time, but it's pretty much impossible to fly a 600.

Derek
With good air, a good ship and judges that follow the judges guide it is not only possible but likely that the top fliers will score 600 and up.  Leaving room at the top implies that the judge does not recognize perfection when he/she sees it.  Bracketing and base line ignore differences in the learning curve but having said that, Brett is 100% correct, the goal is to get the fliers ranked in the right order.  An experienced judge will do that even if he/she is using SWAG.  I disagree that there has been much inflation in the scores.  Some perhaps, but at best it is about 20 points (40 if you take into account the reduction in appearance points)  in the last 35 years and you can't tell me that the equipment is not 40 points better today.

Good luck to everyone tomorrow.  I will be pulling for our home field favorites (Don & Steve) but it is a great bunch and I am sure the judges will get them in the right order.

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« Reply #94 on: July 12, 2018, 12:42:09 PM »
Has anyone seen the Old Time Results???
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« Reply #95 on: July 12, 2018, 12:49:23 PM »
IMPORTANT:  Wonderful world of computers-  the TOP FOUR Advanced from each circle will fly tomorrow!!!!!!!  NOT Three!!!
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« Reply #96 on: July 12, 2018, 01:19:32 PM »
IMPORTANT:  Wonderful world of computers-  the TOP FOUR Advanced from each circle will fly tomorrow!!!!!!!  NOT Three!!!

I was about to post something questioning how you got 16 Advanced finalists, but I finally saw that it's four per circle and three circles.
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« Reply #97 on: July 12, 2018, 01:43:40 PM »
IMPORTANT:  Wonderful world of computers-  the TOP FOUR Advanced from each circle will fly tomorrow!!!!!!!  NOT Three!!!


But, your flying order for open tomorrow is problematic. See Gene Martine and Dave Trible. They fly back to back on different circles. Good luck.

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« Reply #98 on: July 12, 2018, 01:58:28 PM »

But, your flying order for open tomorrow is problematic. See Gene Martine and Dave Trible. They fly back to back on different circles. Good luck.

I was curious about the written in names myself.

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