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Re: 2018 Nats Coverage
« Reply #150 on: July 13, 2018, 01:48:57 PM »
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« Reply #152 on: July 13, 2018, 01:54:41 PM »
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« Reply #154 on: July 13, 2018, 01:55:43 PM »
Hey Derek,
Congrats on the Top 5 and good luck tomorrow.  Here's one person's perspective on 600 point scores.  Back when I first started to go to CL contests back in the early 90's I saw guys with patches sown on their "flying shirt" that hand MEMBER - 500 Club embroidered on them.   I was told that in the past, a 500 point score was so rare that  they actually formed a club.  Not sure who the "they" was or how widespread patches like that were but I saw a number of them here in Southern California back then.  By the early 90's at the contests I attended, expert score were above 500 but not by much and I'm talking former Walker Cup winners and the like.  Not sure today anyone would form a 600 club but I thought the historical perspective would be interesting.

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Thanks Dave,

I actually have a similar perspective. In the early 1990s Paul was unbeatable. Still to this day, I'm not sure if I have seen better looking patters. I'm pretty sure that his winning scores back then were in the 520s. I have watched scores get higher over the 28 years I have been attending the Nat's. As it has been stated in this thread, as long as the order is correct, the numbers don't really matter.

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« Reply #157 on: July 13, 2018, 01:59:26 PM »
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« Reply #159 on: July 13, 2018, 02:01:18 PM »
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« Reply #160 on: July 13, 2018, 02:02:18 PM »
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Re: 2018 Nats Coverage
« Reply #161 on: July 13, 2018, 02:45:30 PM »
Congratulations to Dan Banjock!!  You almost made it into the top 5 and you didn't even use your jet stunter or your Fox 70.  You're doing good, son!!
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« Reply #162 on: July 13, 2018, 02:57:38 PM »
Congratulations to Dan Banjock!!  You almost made it into the top 5 and you didn't even use your jet stunter or your Fox 70.  Your doing good, son!!

X2.   You won't meet a nicer guy.  Well done Dan, Philly is proud. 

And this with an airplane that was broken and repaired over the winter.  Kudos Daniel.

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« Reply #163 on: July 13, 2018, 04:57:07 PM »
Along with the conjecture about possible 600 scores, and the increase in the average pattern scores I think we need to comment on the quality of the "average" appearance scores.  That, I understand, is still an objective thing, but having been priveged to help in the appearance judging these last two years, (and I think Jim and Charley will agree with me,) the quality of the finishes from top to bottom has climbed significantly on the average.
There not only haven't been many "rusted out old Chevy's" showing up from top to bottom, all of the finishes have been quite good.  This year's crop was outstanding all over.  Lots of gorgeous airplanes showed up. H^^ H^^ H^^
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« Reply #164 on: July 13, 2018, 07:03:06 PM »
Big congrats to Danny  from all his flying buddies back in Philly. Had you guys seen his plane after hitting a tree limb you'd think finishing  with this ship was miraculous.Great job Danny!
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Re: 2018 Nats Coverage
« Reply #165 on: July 13, 2018, 07:15:50 PM »
Thanks Dave,

I actually have a similar perspective. In the early 1990s Paul was unbeatable. Still to this day, I'm not sure if I have seen better looking patters. I'm pretty sure that his winning scores back then were in the 520s. I have watched scores get higher over the 28 years I have been attending the Nat's. As it has been stated in this thread, as long as the order is correct, the numbers don't really matter.

Derek

Just for the heck of it...
when I first started competing consistently as an adult flyer there was a widespread school of thought (actually openly espoused by stunt leaders of the day) that the proper way to judge was to "start" with the average maneuver in mind (no description of what that "average" maneuver was supposed to look like).  That "average" was determined (by somebody???) to be 25 points (halfway between unrecognizable [10] and perfect {40]).  The judge was asked to work up and down from that average based on "oh, that wasn't good" and "that was pretty good" and "wow" and to add or subtract points based on the number and quality of each "wasn't good", "pretty good" and "wow".

I was never schooled on how to determine: First, what an average maneuver (there are 15 different ones, after all) looks like.  How much better than that undefined average should result in how much of a "bump" in the score or what constitutes "wows" and/or "that wasn't goods" and how much to add or subtract as each occurs during each 10 to 15 second or so maneuver.  Needless to say, judging using such a system wasn't easy inasmuch as it wasn't really a system at all.

Ultimately, the only description we have of maneuvers is the perfect one described in the rule book.  Logically, one would envision that perfect maneuver and come up with a score based on how close a given flyer flys his outside squares, etc. 

The "up and down from average" technique generally resulted in a lot more "downs" from average (25 points) than it did "ups" and, perhaps as a result would result in lower total scores.

The deductions from perfect system, however, requires only that the judge determine errors from the provided perfect description of each trick and use some form of consistent logic to determine how much of a deduction from perfection each maneuver deserved.  Given the quality of maneuvers flown by gentlement such as David, Paul, Derek, Brett and more than a handful of other consistently competitive "top dogs" it is perfect logical that scores based on deviations from perfect would be higher.

Badly imperfect flights will still result in low scores, as they should.  Judges must not deduct points if they haven't detected with their own eyes errors and quantified the appropriate deduction...good judges don't.  If they don't see errors they don't deduct for them.

Now, whether they're all seeing all the errors might be a different question (says the guy only wishing he could fly like the Davids, Pauls, Dereks and a veritable handful of others.  More, of course, around the globe!)

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Re: 2018 Nats Coverage
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« Reply #167 on: July 13, 2018, 08:15:46 PM »
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« Reply #170 on: July 14, 2018, 05:46:00 AM »
Goodmorning and welcome to the Top Five shootout to find our next National Champion.  The warm up flights are done for the judges and the pilots are milling around the pits waiting for the starting gun.  Yet again we have outstanding weather, if anything the air is a little too still and unlike all week we will start with the fliers looking into the sun.
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« Reply #171 on: July 14, 2018, 05:54:27 AM »
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« Reply #172 on: July 14, 2018, 05:56:48 AM »
First up will be Howard on 3.  Everyone’ is set to go-waiting for the clock to strike 8.
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« Reply #173 on: July 14, 2018, 05:57:46 AM »
The kids also are set on 2
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« Reply #174 on: July 14, 2018, 05:59:18 AM »
Lays in near perfect verse winning over missed the second turn by maybe a foot
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« Reply #175 on: July 14, 2018, 05:59:51 AM »
Dang voice reader.
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« Reply #176 on: July 14, 2018, 06:00:21 AM »
Reverse wing over
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« Reply #177 on: July 14, 2018, 06:01:52 AM »
Very clean Outside squares . One slightly dropped corner on a Triangle
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« Reply #178 on: July 14, 2018, 06:03:13 AM »
Slight miss on second overhead intersection
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« Reply #179 on: July 14, 2018, 06:05:36 AM »
The red light comes on on the side of his ship as the motor cuts and he set it in.  David on deck, Bob McDonald holds,  fires
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« Reply #180 on: July 14, 2018, 06:06:53 AM »
A beautiful takeoff with a strong smoke trail this morning
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« Reply #181 on: July 14, 2018, 06:08:01 AM »
Dead flat inverted in perfect air
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« Reply #182 on: July 14, 2018, 06:08:59 AM »
David slowly pedals backwards to avoid turbulence
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« Reply #183 on: July 14, 2018, 06:09:44 AM »
Outside bottom on the square eight cut a tad high
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« Reply #184 on: July 14, 2018, 06:10:48 AM »
Perfect intersection on overhead eights
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« Reply #185 on: July 14, 2018, 06:12:16 AM »
The wind is a bit more out of the north with the sun off the pilots left shoulder
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« Reply #186 on: July 14, 2018, 06:12:59 AM »
Derek is next.  Chris Cox the pit man.
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« Reply #187 on: July 14, 2018, 06:13:45 AM »
One flip and she’s running
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« Reply #188 on: July 14, 2018, 06:15:21 AM »
A slight bounce off a lump in the pavement ....Derek also walking in the rounds
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« Reply #189 on: July 14, 2018, 06:17:17 AM »
Back to back superb outsides and inside squares
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« Reply #190 on: July 14, 2018, 06:18:16 AM »
One slightly low bottom in the horizontal eight
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« Reply #191 on: July 14, 2018, 06:18:58 AM »
He completes the clover
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« Reply #192 on: July 14, 2018, 06:28:30 AM »
Paul Walker turns in a solid flight,  noticibly very deep in the bottoms
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« Reply #193 on: July 14, 2018, 06:29:30 AM »
The kids are going well.  We have two juniors and two seniors- a contest!
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« Reply #194 on: July 14, 2018, 06:30:50 AM »
Chris is up.  He is moving the judges 180 degrees since that’s what the wind did
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« Reply #195 on: July 14, 2018, 06:33:17 AM »
Paul turns it loose.  Applause from circle two.
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« Reply #196 on: July 14, 2018, 06:41:15 AM »
We lost connection.  It’s been an issue.  Chris completed his flight.  Very nice.  He pulled his bottoms up a little today- to five.  The judges moved again- 90 degrees facing east into the sun and corn.  Derek fires
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« Reply #197 on: July 14, 2018, 06:42:36 AM »
Tad low outside reverse
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« Reply #198 on: July 14, 2018, 06:44:16 AM »
I’m getting 5.4
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« Reply #199 on: July 14, 2018, 06:46:26 AM »
One miss above but a great flight completed
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