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Any news on this years Hurl?

I understand there is some contest concerning Meat going on at the same time.
Being a carnivore I have some minor interest in attending.


"Possibly* The most important event in the year’s calendar" - B Buck

* correction




« Last Edit: September 14, 2018, 01:24:16 PM by Bobs your Uncle »

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Re: 2018 Fox 15 Hurl
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2018, 12:11:23 PM »
P.s. Rules for the Hurl can be heard on short wave radio at 4.25 am sharp on September 3rd on 15.67 MHz frequency.

OF course KD5NCO called CQ loud and long (way out of and FCC legal Amateur Radio band) with up to 1500 Watts   (but mostly 400 Watts on 15.67) and stayed listening for better part of 31 minuets before deciding I was punked yet again  ( third year in a row....go figure... yes Virginia I am that naive)

https://stunthanger.com/smf/event's/fox-15-hurl-and-the-meet-meat/msg530442/#msg530442
"A good scare teaches more than good advice"

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Re: 2018 Fox 15 Hurl
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2018, 02:03:16 PM »
Of course, you all know that all the pertinent info regarding the hurl, the feed, and the contest can be found at "concentricbehavior(dot)com. Pre-registration encouraged!  8)
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Re: 2018 Fox 15 Hurl
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2018, 02:20:48 PM »
Of course, you all know that all the pertinent info regarding the hurl, the feed, and the contest can be found at "concentricbehavior(dot)com. Pre-registration encouraged!  8)

I went to check the site. Nobody warned me that it was a porn site.


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Re: 2018 Fox 15 Hurl
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2018, 11:11:33 PM »
I went to check the site. Nobody warned me that it was a porn site.

Are we talking about the same site?

http://www.concentricbehavior.com/events.html

Register here:

http://www.concentricbehavior.com/registration.html#




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Re: Fox 15 Hurl - 2018 "The most important event in the year’s calendar"
« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2018, 07:56:50 AM »
Any news on this years Hurl?

I understand there is some contest concerning Meat going on at the same time.
Being a carnivore I have some minor interest in attending.


"Possibly the most important event in the year’s calendar" - B Buck

   This is a damnable falshood. I would never have used "Possibly", since the reality is self-evident.

   By the way pre-registration is lagging severely for the support event (some model airplane contest). I can only assume it is because of the controversial contest postcard, so, here is a better one from a few years ago:


   Brett
« Last Edit: September 12, 2018, 11:47:44 AM by Brett Buck »

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Re: 2018 Fox 15 Hurl
« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2018, 10:24:39 AM »
I went to check the site. Nobody warned me that it was a porn site.

I was being facetious.

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Re: 2018 Fox 15 Hurl
« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2018, 01:22:02 PM »
I was being facetious.

Unfortunately I suffered a sense of humor by-pass recently.

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Re: 2018 Fox 15 Hurl
« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2018, 02:00:05 PM »
Unfortunately I suffered a sense of humor by-pass recently.


I feel your pain. LOL

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Re: Fox 15 Hurl 2018 " The most important event in the year’s calendar"
« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2018, 05:09:11 PM »
A quick update on this weekends massive event.

The Buttafuoco stunt team President (Evil) Larry Fernandez will be in attendance on both days!

So  . .  if you have always wanted to meet him, try his famous Chilli or even pick up an autographed picture of the man (while stocks last) , now is your chance!

Plus of course the Larry Cote promotion stand will be on hand to give advice on making perfect Fillets.





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Re: Fox 15 Hurl 2018 " The most important event in the year’s calendar"
« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2018, 08:30:56 PM »
We set up the field this morning. It looks really good and greener than expected. People already showing up. Bob, Brian M. brought some fuel for your Irvine, it's in the shed. Weather should be good all weekend. Should be a good one.  8)
 
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Re: Fox 15 Hurl 2018 " The most important event in the year’s calendar"
« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2018, 02:29:17 AM »
The JCT’s here,
The contest’s complete.
We’ll beat your stunt
While you beat your barbecue.
The Jive Combat Team
Making combat and stunt great again

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Re: Fox 15 Hurl 2018 " The most important event in the year’s calendar"
« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2018, 05:24:21 PM »
The JCT’s here,
The contest’s complete.
We’ll beat your stunt
While you beat your barbecue.

Jeepers the JCT are also here!!!

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Re: Fox 15 Hurl 2018 " The most important event in the year’s calendar"
« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2018, 10:34:16 PM »
Tomorrow is the big day!
Here is the coveted trophy that this years “World Famous Fox .15 Hurl” champion will be taking home.
Good luck to all “Hurlers”

Larry, Buttafucco Stunt Team

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Re: Fox 15 Hurl 2018 " The most important event in the year’s calendar"
« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2018, 07:34:22 PM »
Tomorrow is the big day!
Here is the coveted trophy that this years “World Famous Fox .15 Hurl” champion will be taking home.
Good luck to all “Hurlers”

Larry, Buttafucco Stunt Team

Well Drum roll please .....

The Hurl was won by a relatively new Hurler - Dennis, who also handily won Avanced as well. . . .

Brett managed to keep his Antique plane in the air for yet another contest, and Larry F did indeed deliver his excellent Chilli.

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Re: Fox 15 Hurl 2018 " The most important event in the year’s calendar"
« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2018, 08:00:26 PM »
Well Drum roll please .....

The Hurl was won by a relatively new Hurler - Dennis,

    Yes, Dennis Nunes won the hurl by a slim margin. But most importantly, the long national nightmare is over.

     Brett

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Re: Fox 15 Hurl 2018 " The most important event in the year’s calendar"
« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2018, 08:48:04 PM »
Brett managed to keep his Antique plane in the air for yet another contest

      That's "antique plane that scored 598.5 points today" to you, son...

       I discovered a very strange problem with the airplane right before my first flight this morning, and I have no idea what caused it or what to do about it, but it cleared itself up, mostly, by this afternoon. I think it tends to explain why I have had problems under some conditions over the last 5-6 year, when I had assumed the problem was with me.

     So, unless I can find a solution, I might have to finally retire it.

     Brett

   

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Re: Fox 15 Hurl 2018 " The most important event in the year’s calendar"
« Reply #17 on: September 23, 2018, 09:12:56 PM »
What was that problem Brett?

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Re: Fox 15 Hurl 2018 " The most important event in the year’s calendar"
« Reply #18 on: September 23, 2018, 09:34:35 PM »
What was that problem Brett?
 


      I would rather not say until I have a root cause, but I have a theory that I can test pretty easily. If nothing else I need to figure it out to avoid the same problem on the mostly-built airplane I have ready to assemble, because it is identical in the area of the problem.

     The difference in "working" and "not working" seems to be about 30 points, and according to Clint and Larry, it looked like I was on drugs flying it in the "not working" condition, super-sensitive guys that they are...

      Brett

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Re: Fox 15 Hurl 2018 " The most important event in the year’s calendar"
« Reply #19 on: September 23, 2018, 10:17:33 PM »
It was another classic Hurl, as always, it was the best Hurl ever.

   In the support event, Jim Aron had a pretty rough day after he apparently got food poisoning at The Burger Saloon, while the rest of us (Ted, Kestes, Howard, Mary Lou, and I) avoided it somehow. So the lovely and talented Christiana Tran  did most of the work today.

    Scott Dinger and his very patient wife Christine had quite a day yesterday. He was having all sorts of issues with trim, including severe hinging at times. After some diagnosis, we ended up adding some rudder and moving the leadouts back *about an inch*, putting in some down elevator, and removing a lot weight from the tail. On the first attempt at the down elevator, Ted and I suggested about a "turn", expecting maybe 3/32-1/8" of elevator drop. But somehow, using the turnbuckle system in the airplane, it wound up with a HUGE adjustment, and on takeoff he nosed over and broke the prop. So he had to go repitch a prop overnight. Saturday was a *miserable* day for him, we were there from sunup to 5:30 pm, and he left the field with nothing but problems. Ted checked the elevator adjustment and have him remove most of it to get the original desired bias, and adjust the handle to compensate. He also put on his new prop. Almost from takeoff, it looked better, and after a few maneuvers, it was clearly a completely different and much more controllable machine.

    Scott had a few issues not related to trim or power that resulting it less-than-ideal final results (in a very tough crowd -  David, Howard, and I, and glittering array of local experts) but the airplane was really working when he left.

  One takeaway - basic trim adjustments *are very important* and absent some misalignment, there isn't a lot of chance for a big surprise, like having you leadouts right on the CG. You can use that sort of fact to diagnose other problems, if you think it needs the leadouts in the wrong place, either you are wrong, or you are seeing the result of some other problem.

      In Scott's case, the airplane was flying with the outboard wing up a bit upright, and up a fair amount in inverted flight. This would normally indicate that it needed more tip weight, but it also was hinging out very severely in hard corners.  Adding tipweight to get it level in 1G flight would have greatly exacerbated this issue. He also saw the outboard wheel ahead of the inboard in level flight, suggesting that the airplane was yawed in at him. It was also clearly yawing in abruptly even more on both inside and outside maneuvers.

    The diagnosis was that the leadouts were WAY too far forward, fighting the small outboard rudder offset. This was causing the inboard wing to be dragged behind the outboard, leaving a static yaw angle, limited by the aerodynamic yaw stabilty that was trying to make it fly tangent to the circle, or even yawed out, if otherwise left to its devices. Putting in control increased the tension, the severe outboard roll also increased the tension, both forcing the nose to yaw in even further (not to mention increaseing the control deflection). On inspection, the leadouts were right on the CG - I think the front leadout was actually in front of the CG - which should NEVER be the case unless you have done something very strange. Leadouts should always be behind the CG, and for typical 40-60 airplanes it's about an inch or so.

     The solution was to move the leadouts back about an inch and add a tiny bit of rudder offset. This yawed the airplane to approximately tangent or slightly nose-out, and that lowered the outboard wing in level flight. Tipweight was removed, and then the airplane flew much more consistently, without as much tendency to tighten up in the corners, or wildly yaw around.

     A second issue was that the airplane was very nearly, or actually, unstable in pitch, because the CG was too far aft. You can fly an airplane that is unstable (defined as wanting to tighten the corner radius without any further input, once started) but you have to have a very tight control feedback, basically, you kick the elevator in the direction you want to go, then immediately have to counter-control it to keep it from tightening up the corner on its own. But it's extremely difficult, and in Scott's case, the control system ratios are so slow, that it was essentially impossible for him to prevent it from wrapping up into the corner, particularly on insides. We tried the elevator droop to remove it on insides, with success- except now it did the same thing on OUTSIDEs. This suggested that the problem was probably insoluble without running the CG forward. This was duly accomplished by removing about 1/2 ounce of taped-on weight from the tail. That was accomplished over night, and hey, this morning everything started working great.

   I give Scott and Christine a lot of credit. Yesterday had to be a very frustrating day for them both, it just went on and on through the evening, and ended with an uncertain result and leaving the field with an non-working airplane. We have all been in that boat at one time or another, and it's really easy to just say "screw it, I can find less annoying ways of spending my afternoons". They they kept plugging and the next morning was like a different world.

     Brett

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Re: Fox 15 Hurl 2018 " The most important event in the year’s calendar"
« Reply #20 on: September 24, 2018, 09:52:45 AM »
 


      I would rather not say until I have a root cause, but I have a theory that I can test pretty easily. If nothing else I need to figure it out to avoid the same problem on the mostly-built airplane I have ready to assemble, because it is identical in the area of the problem.

     The difference in "working" and "not working" seems to be about 30 points, and according to Clint and Larry, it looked like I was on drugs flying it in the "not working" condition, super-sensitive guys that they are...

      Brett


Ah, a problem in the control system.

I had a "pair" of identical planes that would fly great, and then it would warm up, and they were terrible. It was in the control system, and once corrected, worked consistently.

We can talk at GSSC.

Paul

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Re: Fox 15 Hurl 2018 " The most important event in the year’s calendar"
« Reply #21 on: September 24, 2018, 10:22:04 AM »
Here are the results of the support event.  BTW:  I seem to be holding down food now....Whew!
Thanks, everyone for being so patient, It wasn't run as smoothly as I would have liked it.

UJ

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Re: Fox 15 Hurl 2018 " The most important event in the year’s calendar"
« Reply #22 on: September 24, 2018, 10:41:18 AM »

Ah, a problem in the control system.

I had a "pair" of identical planes that would fly great, and then it would warm up, and they were terrible. It was in the control system, and once corrected, worked consistently.

We can talk at GSSC.

   Probably not, since we are planning on launching our 4th (or 10th, depending on when you start counting...) on the 17th.

     And I don't care what Howard says, you are pretty sharp - yes, its a control system issue. It gets very bound up in cool and humid conditions, loose as a goose when properly heat-treated (like Central Valley in summer). Yesterday morning  was definitely the coolest conditions I have flown it in.   I don't know how I could have missed it, I think I may have just figured it was the lines wrapped over each other or something. Yesterday morning, 55-ish degrees and dew everywhere, very bound up. I have had problems in those conditons for quite some time, particularly at the NATs early in the mornings on cool years. I am definitely not at my best at 8 in the morning anyway, but the sorts of problems I have had (like angles coming out just slightly off, and always short of the intended angle) is perfectly consistent with this. I had (as you thoughtfully pointed out to the judges at the NWR this years) taken to softening up the corners in order to give me more control of the exit angles in the mornings, assuming I was just not able to concentrate enough until I got going about 11 AM-noon. I have been flying much more aggressively in the afternoons with good results.

      I am pretty sure that this is due to oil congealing, both the oil I have occasionally used (Marvel or Sta-Lube air tool oil) and castor oil over the years. It heats up and loosens up. The test will be to shoot brake cleaner into the hinges and control horn bearings when it is cool, and see if that loosens it up. If so, I am going to squirt lots of it in there, working the controls, to remove the old oil, and replace it with Singer Light machine oil (sewing machine oil). If not, then the next likely issue is the "flap fillers" at the root of the flaps. They have been swelling and cracking since I sat out in the rain at the 2006 NATs, that may be pressing on the control horn cross-bar. That should at least be altered by the oiling it, and the binding will still be present with the flaps removed.  If so, I don't have the enthusiasm for cutting up the airplane to fix it, when I have all the major parts for the next one sitting right here (for the last 4 years...).

    I am pretty sure it is NOT the ball links - they links in this airplane are the same as and from the same package at the first-ever ones I used and the ones in the older airplane are perfect even after all this time (30 years almost to the day), even a bit on the loose side from wear. It's remotely possible that the problem is the bellcrank pivot, that has Air Tool oil on it, too, and it has a huge interface area and very tight clearances. That has a lube hole and tube - which was there for exactly this possibility - but it is a hail mary and was intended for one-time use, and requires a bit of cutting to get to.

        Brett

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Re: Fox 15 Hurl 2018 " The most important event in the year’s calendar"
« Reply #23 on: September 24, 2018, 11:16:49 AM »
Here are the results of the support event.  BTW:  I seem to be holding down food now....Whew!
Thanks, everyone for being so patient, It wasn't run as smoothly as I would have liked it.

   It was fine ultimately, and thank you for all the work that goes into such an event. At worst, we have about a half-hour worth of "regroup" moments, but it was fine.

    In any case, the problem with which Dave and I were tasked turned out to be trivially easy - a blowout of epic proportions in Advanced. The biggest I have seen in a long time, maybe since Paul Ferrel blew everyone out in Advanced at Golden State. The scary thing is that there were a few obvious but easy-to-fix flaws that would have made it even bigger.

  In Expert, I left the requisite points on the table with a 1 foot bottom on my outside rounds, so can't say the contest organization had anything to do with it.  Rub of the green with the conditions may have made it difficult for Howard, he flew at the worst of the random-air portion of the day, and by the time Dave and I flew, there was just enough air to get by. That could have happened with entirely-random draw, too, that's just luck. I doubt that going last helped me or Dave too much, I was at the limits of carrying the handle back to the pits after the flight was over, I was so tired (after 3 straight days of it).

    I didn't see Intermediate but that almost always comes down to some very simple technical issue, usually the winner is one of the few that remembered all the tricks in the right order, and didn't overrun.

   Of course we would have been out of luck without Christiana, but you have been in that boat for a long time!

     Brett

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Re: Fox 15 Hurl 2018 " The most important event in the year’s calendar"
« Reply #24 on: September 24, 2018, 03:06:34 PM »
This year my pictures were as bad as my flying!  The usual suspects in Intermediate where I normally hang out observed that my first time in Advanced looked a like I was swatting gnats.  There is one decent picture of Dennis Nunes receiving his Fox .15 Hurl trophy from Larry (the Commissioner) Fernandez.  Come to Meet 'n Meat 21 next year for a good time with great people.
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Re: Fox 15 Hurl 2018 " The most important event in the year’s calendar"
« Reply #25 on: September 24, 2018, 03:48:09 PM »
Come to Meet 'n Meat 21 next year for a good time with great people.

  And also Larry.

    Brett

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« Reply #26 on: September 24, 2018, 04:30:58 PM »
  And also Larry.

    Brett

Nice jab BUDDY!
Probably retaliation for me saying that I thought you were on drugs in the first round.

Larry, Buttafucco Stunt Team

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« Reply #27 on: September 24, 2018, 08:34:25 PM »
Nice jab BUDDY!
Probably retaliation for me saying that I thought you were on drugs in the first round.

   That, and trying to maintain my position on the list. At the high levels of achievement we are operating, one can't rest on one's laurels.

    Brett

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« Reply #28 on: September 24, 2018, 08:56:38 PM »
   That, and trying to maintain my position on the list. At the high levels of achievement we are operating, one can't rest on one's laurels.

    Brett

Agreed.
That said, I would will say it now, for all to know,you are STILL the biggest smartass in Stunt.
But I have to admit, David  is not far behind you. He has moved up the list rapidly in the last three years.
Keep looking over your shoulder, Mr. Fitzgerald is a ruthless individual. But you already knew that.

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« Reply #29 on: September 24, 2018, 09:10:50 PM »
Agreed.
That said, I would will say it now, for all to know,you are STILL the biggest smartass in Stunt.
But I have to admit, David  is not far behind you. He has moved up the list rapidly in the last three years.
Keep looking over your shoulder, Mr. Fitzgerald is a ruthless individual. But you already knew that.

   I came up with that literally in 2 seconds, as fast as I read it and could hit the "quote" button...


  I have substantial genetic advantages over David, one does not live for 22 years with one Mr. Richard Melvyn Buck and not learn how to handle oneself in a smart-assed conversation. He's in the hospital, multiple strokes and clearly nearly gone, the nurse asks "Can we get you anything, Mr. Buck". Without skipping a beat we hear "Yes, a beer!" and starts laughing. We're moving him into the hospice - he knows for sure that he's not going to make it a week, he's 85 lbs, incontinent, can't walk, can barely speak from multiple strokes, and in terminal liver failure. The nurse at hospice says, "I am going to turn on the heater, its cold in here" He pipes up, pretty clearly with "Yeah, like a morgue" and breaks up laughing again.

   I have known many smart-asses in my time (engineers being the most notable examples) and a few (like my former boss Gene Hannan, who was clearly the head of the class outside the Buck family) were pretty good. But no one, ever, could top Melvyn, he stands alone. He could make the top of your list in a 5-minute conversation, the rest of us are pikers.

    I loved David's dad Bill like my own, but there's no way he could ever be considered a smart-ass. David has achieved (to the degree he has - serviceable but lacking that last bit of refinement) entirely on natural talent for being a wise-guy  - which i, admittedly, considerable  - but doesn't have the sort of training or the genetic foundation I have been graced with.

  By the way, Howard is so good that most people *don't even get it*. He is on a different level from most of the other competitors on the list. He is so deadpan, he makes Bob Newhart look like Rip Taylor

     Brett


 p.s. Offered for your approval, Howard's latest trim innovation. The fact that only about 3 people will get the reference is evidence of my premise:

« Last Edit: September 24, 2018, 09:29:56 PM by Brett Buck »

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Re: Fox 15 Hurl 2018 " The most important event in the year’s calendar"
« Reply #30 on: September 24, 2018, 09:50:30 PM »

 p.s. Offered for your approval, Howard's latest trim innovation. The fact that only about 3 people will get the reference is evidence of my premise:
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Howard saw that somewhere else.....
Ted even commented on it.

Larry,  I see you are helping Randy with his new plane.  Nice mentor!!!

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« Reply #31 on: September 24, 2018, 10:04:42 PM »
Howard saw that somewhere else.....
Ted even commented on it.


  You have to admit, Howard is the Zen Master of deadpan snark.

    Brett

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« Reply #32 on: September 24, 2018, 10:24:43 PM »
p.s. Offered for your approval, Howard's latest trim innovation. The fact that only about 3 people will get the reference is evidence of my premise:



Howard saw that somewhere else.....
Ted even commented on it.

Larry,  I see you are helping Randy with his new plane.  Nice mentor!!!

Hey Paul as it is a known fact that Brett, is without doubt, the biggest smartass in stunt, and I happen to be the nicest guy in stunt.
Hmmm, maybe this warrants compiling a list of the nicest guys in stunt.
Good luck making the list. Your reputation precedes you.

Larry, Buttafucco Stunt Team

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« Reply #33 on: September 25, 2018, 09:00:52 PM »

Good luck making the list. Your reputation precedes you.

Larry, Buttafucco Stunt Team
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If you make it to GSSC, I will see you and improve my standing.

On which list, ?????


Good work helping Randy with that yellow $coat. When we see his fillets, we will know if he followed your techniques.  🤣🤣🤣🤣

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Re: Fox 15 Hurl 2018 " The most important event in the year’s calendar"
« Reply #34 on: September 25, 2018, 09:28:04 PM »
Good luck making the list. Your reputation precedes you.

Larry, Buttafucco Stunt Team



If you make it to GSSC, I will see you and improve my standing.

On which list, ?????


Good work helping Randy with that yellow $coat. When we see his fillets, we will know if he followed your techniques.  🤣🤣🤣🤣

I am in the process of putting together a committee to which we will determine the top ten nicest individuals in stunt.
Sorry Paul, I just don’t see you making that list.
You do however, have a firm hold of the number five spot on the”Ten Biggest Smartass’ in Stunt” list.
I look forward to seeing you in Madera. I’ll be judging you and and the west Coast Greats.
And with all sincerity, it’s a thrill and an honor to be asked to judge the best. See you then.

Larry, Buttafucco Stunt Team

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Re: Fox 15 Hurl 2018 " The most important event in the year’s calendar"
« Reply #35 on: September 25, 2018, 09:36:45 PM »
If not, then the next likely issue is the "flap fillers" at the root of the flaps. They have been swelling and cracking since I sat out in the rain at the 2006 NATs, that may be pressing on the control horn cross-bar. That should at least be altered by the oiling it, and the binding will still be present with the flaps removed.

This is a lesson that other saboteurs should learn.  Injecting water into the wing root near the flap hinge with a hypodermic syringe and a fine needle can be an unobtrusive way to cost a troublesome competitor points.  Although effective for an extended time in the Northwest, it's only good for one round in California, and probably useless in Tucson. 
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Re: Fox 15 Hurl 2018 " The most important event in the year’s calendar"
« Reply #36 on: September 25, 2018, 09:42:32 PM »
This is a lesson that other saboteurs should learn.  Injecting water into the wing root near the flap hinge with a hypodermic syringe and a fine needle can be an unobtrusive way to cost a troublesome competitor points.

  Nice try, though.

    Brett

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Re: Fox 15 Hurl 2018 " The most important event in the year’s calendar"
« Reply #37 on: September 25, 2018, 10:22:33 PM »
This is a lesson that other saboteurs should learn.  Injecting water into the wing root near the flap hinge with a hypodermic syringe and a fine needle can be an unobtrusive way to cost a troublesome competitor points.  Although effective for an extended time in the Northwest, it's only good for one round in California, and probably useless in Tucson.

Howard just moved up a spot.
Congratulations Howard!

Larry, Buttafucco Stunt Team


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