Author Topic: 2016 Nats Coverage (Read 64070 times)

Randy Cuberly · « **Reply #100 on:** July 18, 2016, 11:04:11 AM »

Quote from: Larry Fernandez on July 18, 2016, 10:16:38 AM

What are "split, blown flaps"?

Larry, Buttafucco Stunt Team

Hi Larry,
There photos near the top of the second page of this thread from Dave that show the detail of these flaps fairly well. They are in fact slotted somewhat articulated flaps similar to those found on full scale airliners. The really big difference here is that they operate in both directions.

Some pretty good illustrations of slotted flaps here:
https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=slotted+flap+design&qpvt=slotted+flap+design&qpvt=slotted+flap+design&qpvt=slotted+flap+design&FORM=IGRE

The linkages are likely very "tricky" on Wes's Stunters!

Randy Cuberly

Mark Scarborough · « **Reply #101 on:** July 18, 2016, 01:20:14 PM »

it was also written up in Stunt News

Larry Fernandez · « **Reply #102 on:** July 18, 2016, 01:28:01 PM »

Thanks Randy.
Sure looks complicated.
I would have concerns with all the gaps between the two flaps and the trailing edge of the wing.
I know that competitive flyers make a big deal of sealing hinge lines before they even think about starting the trim process.
I myself have had trim issues until a local big shot flier had me seal the hinge lines.
Problem solved.
(Ted seems to know a thing or two about stunt ships)

Larry, Buttafucco Stunt Team

Jeff Traxler · « **Reply #103 on:** July 18, 2016, 01:43:20 PM »

I have the first plans built version of the Velvet and the flaps look more complicated than they really are.All of the other ships I have flown seam to really bleed off the airspeed when I tried to turn them too hard.These produce less drag and I have to really over control to slow it down in the corners.I like them and think the extra time to construct them was worth it.I was going to let Wes and others fly mine to check them out but............

Dave_Trible · « **Reply #104 on:** July 18, 2016, 02:29:34 PM »

The pilots meeting is over and here are the circle assignments and flight order for the first two days of qualifications:

Dave_Trible · « **Reply #105 on:** July 18, 2016, 02:30:23 PM »

Dave_Trible · « **Reply #106 on:** July 18, 2016, 02:30:55 PM »

Dave_Trible · « **Reply #107 on:** July 18, 2016, 02:31:35 PM »

Dave_Trible · « **Reply #108 on:** July 18, 2016, 02:34:00 PM »

As per usual, the Advanced fliers will fly first then open. 'A' group has no Advanced fliers. They are spread between the other three groups.

Randy Powell · « **Reply #109 on:** July 18, 2016, 03:09:20 PM »

Dave Trible, our on the spot reporter, is again giving us poor schlubs a ground's eye view of the proceedings. Thanks to Dave for his awesome reporting.

RC Storick · « **Reply #110 on:** July 18, 2016, 03:54:09 PM »

Quote from: Larry Fernandez on July 18, 2016, 10:16:38 AM

What are "split, blown flaps"?

Larry, Buttafucco Stunt Team

Window blinds

john e. holliday · « **Reply #111 on:** July 18, 2016, 05:04:19 PM »

Dave it looks like you have a tough group. Remember you can do it.

Randy Cuberly · « **Reply #112 on:** July 18, 2016, 06:36:03 PM »

Quote from: john e. holliday on July 18, 2016, 05:04:19 PM

Dave it looks like you have a tough group. Remember you can do it.

UUUhhhhhh....Doc...Just which one of those circles would you consider "Not Tough"...

They all look very, very tough to me!!!

I don't see any "Freebies" on any of them!

That said...Best of luck Dave!

Randy Cuberly

Dave_Trible · « **Reply #113 on:** July 18, 2016, 06:50:19 PM »

Thank guys! These boys cut you no slack.....went to the judges meeting after the Appearance Judging and after that found a number of guys out flying. Actually the wind became do-able pretty late. Shot a few pics.

Dave_Trible · « **Reply #114 on:** July 18, 2016, 06:51:46 PM »

These are Charlie Reeves and Jim Lynch with Charlie's Big Job / Fox .59 snarling.

Dave_Trible · « **Reply #115 on:** July 18, 2016, 06:52:46 PM »

Dan Banjocks Galloping Comedian

Dave_Trible · « **Reply #116 on:** July 18, 2016, 06:54:04 PM »

Jim Lynch's Humbler

Will Hinton · « **Reply #117 on:** July 18, 2016, 07:23:43 PM »

.I was going to let Wes and others fly mine to check them out but............

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Jeff Traxler, if this indicates you squashed your Velvet I'm gonna......... Please say it isn't so.

Dave_Trible · « **Reply #118 on:** July 18, 2016, 08:05:46 PM »

Quote from: Will Hinton on July 18, 2016, 07:23:43 PM

.I was going to let Wes and others fly mine to check them out but............

Jeff Traxler, if this indicates you squashed your Velvet I'm gonna......... Please say it isn't so.

Will, I haven't heard anything (but have been busy). Hope something didn't happen with Traxs' plane. Didn't see him at the pilots meeting.......

Mark Scarborough · « **Reply #119 on:** July 18, 2016, 08:11:08 PM »

there is something going on with Trax,, something about his equipment being hauled off by "a lady on the AMA golf cart" and them having a conversation which led to her inviting him to go home or something? not totally clear on what happened but it sounds like Traxler was down helping beginners and his stuff got hauled off for "safe keeping"
dont anybody go jumping the bandwagon basedon what I said, I just got scuttlebut from face book so I dont have the facts,,

Derek Barry · « **Reply #120 on:** July 18, 2016, 08:12:25 PM »

There is a story about Trax but I'm not sure if it should be made public. Basically, he was asked to leave, but in my opinion, he was not at fault.

Derek

Paul Walker · « **Reply #121 on:** July 18, 2016, 08:35:38 PM »

Monday evening post pilots meeting practice on the L pad. Picture is my dog watching my dog fly!

Don't know why there weren't more people flying. It was nice out.

Mark Scarborough · « **Reply #122 on:** July 18, 2016, 08:40:33 PM »

Quote from: Derek Barry on July 18, 2016, 08:12:25 PM

There is a story about Trax but I'm not sure if it should be made public. Basically, he was asked to leave, but in my opinion, he was not at fault.

Derek

I attempted to be vague not knowing facts first hand, but read it on his facebook,,
sounds like a mess..
but it sounded like perhaps somehting was in process to remedy it maybe?

Mark Scarborough · « **Reply #123 on:** July 18, 2016, 08:41:52 PM »

Quote from: Paul Walker on July 18, 2016, 08:35:38 PM

Monday evening post pilots meeting practice on the L pad. Picture is my dog watching my dog fly!

Don't know why there weren't more people flying. It was nice out.

well I was headed that way, but had to work late on an estimate LOL

oh wait, maybe to far of a commute,,

Dave_Trible · « **Reply #124 on:** July 19, 2016, 03:49:48 AM »

Today is Old Time and Classic. The wind is supposed to be pretty light and our only issues should be the heat and that the Boy Scouts had some kind of conflict this week so their wonderful food service is NOT available to us this week. BYO!

Brett Buck · « **Reply #125 on:** July 19, 2016, 04:25:00 AM »

Quote from: Paul Walker on July 18, 2016, 08:35:38 PM

Monday evening post pilots meeting practice on the L pad. Picture is my dog watching my dog fly!

Don't know why there weren't more people flying. It was nice out.

Dave and I went out there after appearance judging and there was *nobody*. We got out flights in an left, still just a few. Air was very friendly. Very strange.

Brett

Dave_Trible · « **Reply #126 on:** July 19, 2016, 05:53:42 AM »

World Champ Orestes doing overhead eight this morning.

Robert Zambelli · « **Reply #127 on:** July 19, 2016, 08:15:02 AM »

Jeff's a good guy.
Who's harassing him?

Bob Z.

Dane Martin · « **Reply #128 on:** July 19, 2016, 09:44:24 AM »

Quote from: Dave_Trible on July 19, 2016, 05:53:42 AM

World Champ Orestes doing overhead eight this morning.

Outstanding pic. Thanks for doing this

Jeff Traxler · « **Reply #129 on:** July 19, 2016, 09:45:56 AM »

Quote from: Will Hinton on July 18, 2016, 07:23:43 PM

.I was going to let Wes and others fly mine to check them out but............

Jeff Traxler, if this indicates you squashed your Velvet I'm gonna......... Please say it isn't so.

Will,Velvet is in one piece,very shiny,with a new 3 blade prop and spiffy new aluminum wheels!!Unfortunately it is no longer in Muncie,me either.I spent Saturday morning flying with Dave Trible down on the grass circles and was charging batteries all morning in the pavilion.When we decided to take a break I put my charger/power supply/batteries in my rolling milk crate and pushed it under the table I was charging on so it would not be in the way of others.My arthritis has been really on a terror of late and the closest handicapped parking is no where close.I did'nt want to be scolded for stopping to load and unload in the loop so many times and it was never a problem in the last 6 years so I went to lunch and then back to the grass to help out some beginners before going back to the L-pad only to discover my gear was gone.I had 2 new batteries charged that I was'nt able to fly out because I was whoooooooped from flying since 7:30 AM and did'nt want to risk wrecking my plane being physically and mentally drained.Now I could'nt put them in storage mode either.I asked if anyone had even asked if my stuff belonged to them before it vanished and nothing.I thought maybe Dennis put them in the tabulators trailer so nothing would happen to them and would get them before the beginners event which I was a volunteer at.All hoping to get my batteries in storage mode before cell damage and before the event I was working................but Dennis did'nt have them!Apparently Brenda the golf cart lady took it upon herself to remove them without asking ANYONE if the stuff belonged to them.It was taken to an out building by the old headquarters instead of lost and found?

?When I realized they were'nt moved by Dennis I started to worry.He started to look around and asked her about the missing items and thats when we found out where it went.She decided they just did'nt belong there and took it upon herself to take something that did not belong to her and put it where no one but her knew where it was so she could scold them.If they were simply returned to their rightful owner a problem would have not arisen.I was by now going to be tied up at the event for hrs and all she does is ride the golf cart anyway so that simple solution would have avoided all this.After the beginner event and a quick trip to batton down the rain fly I had enough time to drive by and get my stuff before the ceremony at the museum.I figured on being civil about it and keep the trap shut until in her usual condescending manner she started screaming at me about parking in the handicapped spot.........I have my placard clearly displayed so what was that all about?

?Certainly no way to start a civil conversation.When I said to her I don't know how you were raised but I had 2 parents that always told me"If it does not belong to you,don't touch it" and the next thing I heard was her daughter screaming at me and turned around only to have her in my face like a drill sargant.This fact she left out of the report to the AMA.I told them I would be making a report to her boss and the next thing I knew Dennis pulled me aside after the ceremony at the museum and told me she(The golf cart lady) wanted me gone and I would probably not win appeal and it would be best if I just went home.Nothing like a little support from someone you thought was your friend!!!!All I have to show for all the work I have done trying to improve my building and flying skills since the last Nats is 2 damaged batteries and a boatload of disappointment. In the 7 years I have been attending the Nats in Muncie I have yet to hear a nice or complimentary remark about the golf cart lady.........in fact they have all been of the negative nature.The nice lady at the AMA headquarters I talked to this morning said she would be glad to take a signed pettition for her removal into consideration............

mike londke · « **Reply #130 on:** July 19, 2016, 10:41:39 AM »

Just who is this Brenda the Golf Cart Lady and what is her role at the AMA?

Randy Powell · « **Reply #131 on:** July 19, 2016, 11:14:53 AM »

Sorry for your problems Jeff.

Robert Zambelli · « **Reply #132 on:** July 19, 2016, 11:51:15 AM »

Quote from: mike londke on July 19, 2016, 10:41:39 AM

Just who is this Brenda the Golf Cart Lady and what is her role at the AMA?

THESE ARE MY OPINIONS:
Hi, Mike - my best guess is that her job is to be the resident irritating a**hole.
From what Jeff wrote, she's not only pretty good at it but others have complained as well.
Just what the sport needs - another jacka**.

Jeff is a good guy and I've seen him put out some really good effort.
Neither he nor anyone else needs this kind of CRAP. I hope she gets fired.

Bob Z.

now I'm waiting for someone to defend her.

Randy Cuberly · « **Reply #133 on:** July 19, 2016, 12:33:35 PM »

Quote from: Robert Zambelli on July 19, 2016, 11:51:15 AM

THESE ARE MY OPINIONS:
Hi, Mike - my best guess is that her job is to be the resident irritating a**hole.
From what Jeff wrote, she's not only pretty good at it but others have complained as well.
Just what the sport needs - another jacka**.

Jeff is a good guy and I've seen him put out some really good effort.
Neither he nor anyone else needs this kind of CRAP. I hope she gets fired.

Bob Z.

now I'm waiting for someone to defend her.

Sounds like her Daughter is waiting to take her place!

I'm a little surprised at Dennis's reaction. What's behind all that! I would be tempted to send the AMA a Bill for all my expenses and trouble along with the petition to remove Miss Brenda and her golf cart!

Randy Cuberly

Zuriel Armstrong · « **Reply #134 on:** July 19, 2016, 12:49:50 PM »

Dave,

I sure have enjoyed the excellent Nats coverage and photos.

Thanks and I hope to see you in Paducah next month.

Zuriel

peabody · « **Reply #135 on:** July 19, 2016, 12:52:18 PM »

I believe that Brenda is the Control Line ED.....at least she claimed to be to me when she was having a fit about something.....

John Leidle · « **Reply #136 on:** July 19, 2016, 12:54:26 PM »

   From the conversations I've had with Jeff I found a genuine person. Always volunteering. Thank you for clearing this up for us Jeff. I don't trouble believing every word you wrote. The last time I checked in at the old farm house I think it was 2013 not really sure. The help out there really wasnt happy to see me come through the door . I was more of an inconvienece than anything. Maybe no one told them that we are the people that gave them a job I dont think the General Motors Transmission Factory is currently hiring. So Im not surprised as to how Jeff was treated. Maybe training in Anger Management , Sensitivity Training or a simple trip to the Unemployment office is in order.
  When they send my Nats Aplication the cover letter says " you are the backbne of our membership as a competitor" maybe that has changed.
   Cant say I'm sorry I'm sitting in Seattle this July. I wonder if the PA Nats needs to be relocted ? Houston, Central Valley or Springfield, Or. I have no idea why we put up with this type of jive.
   John L.

Dave_Trible · « **Reply #137 on:** July 19, 2016, 01:18:35 PM »

Results!!! Classic and Old Time:

Dave_Trible · « **Reply #138 on:** July 19, 2016, 01:19:13 PM »

Jeff Traxler · « **Reply #139 on:** July 19, 2016, 02:45:50 PM »

Thanx for the support and the kind words.I enjoy helping and volunteering not only because it's good for the soul but there is still so much I need to learn to be a great CLPA pilot.IMHO the C/L community is the greatest bunch of humans on the planet and I am honored to be a part of it!

Derek Barry · « **Reply #140 on:** July 19, 2016, 02:52:45 PM »

SloMo video from Orestes first practice flight this morning. I will try to do more with different people because I think it's kinda cool.

Derek

Mark Scarborough · « **Reply #141 on:** July 19, 2016, 03:00:26 PM »

thats pretty awesome
what are you shooting that with, I have been deliberating on getting a training camera

john e. holliday · « **Reply #142 on:** July 19, 2016, 03:02:10 PM »

I hope that was just a practice flight.

Derek Barry · « **Reply #143 on:** July 19, 2016, 03:07:32 PM »

Quote from: Mark Scarborough on July 19, 2016, 03:00:26 PM

thats pretty awesome
what are you shooting that with, I have been deliberating on getting a training camera

My droid turbo 2 has a SloMo feature on the camera.

Derek

Randy Powell · « **Reply #144 on:** July 19, 2016, 03:10:07 PM »

Interesting.

Derek Barry · « **Reply #145 on:** July 19, 2016, 03:11:30 PM »

Quote from: john e. holliday on July 19, 2016, 03:02:10 PM

I hope that was just a practice flight.

Concerning that the contest has not started and I stated that it was a practice flight....

Pick you favorite pilot, pick any maneuver, and I will capture it in SloMo. There WILL be mistakes and they will be easy to see. It's just the nature of filming stunt in SloMo.

Derek

john e. holliday · « **Reply #146 on:** July 19, 2016, 03:15:19 PM »

Yep, I need to read better. I remember standing with Mike Pratt one watching Paul Walker putting up a practice flight. I commented some thing about that is a national champion. Mike's response was that he was checking an engine out. Wait until he gets in front of the judges.

Will Davis · « **Reply #147 on:** July 19, 2016, 03:48:35 PM »

Quote from: Derek Barry on July 19, 2016, 03:07:32 PM

My droid turbo 2 has a SloMo feature on the camera.

Derek

Derek ,

Thanks for posting the video, I thought you were playing around with a new "high zoot" video camera. Very Nice work for a droid .

Would be interesting to see a hourglass and how sharp the corners really are.

Randy Powell · « **Reply #148 on:** July 19, 2016, 04:08:30 PM »

Gee, I have a Turbo II. Guess I'll need to see if it has such capability. What app are you using?

Derek Barry · « **Reply #149 on:** July 19, 2016, 04:44:50 PM »

Quote from: Randy Powell on July 19, 2016, 04:08:30 PM

Gee, I have a Turbo II. Guess I'll need to see if it has such capability. What app are you using?

No app, it's built into the phone. Go to your camera, swipe right and it will give you video and picture options.

Derek

Author Topic: 2016 Nats Coverage (Read 64070 times)

John Leidle