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Online Jake Moon

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.15-Size Ki-61 Build
« on: January 16, 2025, 07:42:19 AM »
It's the rainy season here in Singapore. A rainy season in a rainforest is really rainy, so no flying or painting for the next few weeks. Given that my current project, a Stuka Stunt, is only in need of paint, I figured I'll start something new. And I'll start with a new experience for me—laser cutting. Some of our libraries here have laser cutters that are completely free to use. They do tutorials every weekend and after you do one session, it's yours to use whenever you like.

Given some limitations—namely that the bed on these cutters are only 16 inches long and I've never used these before—I decided to do a small project to learn the ropes. I found a neat .15-sized Ki-61 stunter on Outerzone and started tracing the file in Inkscape to give the laser cutter something to read.

I absolutely love the look of semi-scale stunters, especially planes like the Al Rabe Bearcat and Chris Cox's Hellcat with proper, rounded fuselages. So I made some modifications to the original plan's design. The plan called for octagonal formers that are sheeted with 1/8" balsa and sanded round. That sounds both heavy and not fun. So I redesigned the formers to be round so I can mould a thinner fuselage shell. The formers will fit square rods to ensure they're straight. The process of designing them in Inkscape and lasering them was as time-consuming as making them from scratch, but this way I can make sure I build a straight, symmetrical fuselage.

I am a messy builder. It drives both my dad and my wife crazy! Turns out that my digital working files are no different:




I mentioned earlier that the laser bed is only 16 inches long, so I started by cutting down sheets. It ended up being 17 half-sheets, ranging in width from 1.5mm (ribs, trailing edge, flaps, stab, and elevator) to 5mm (rudder and wing tips) and in weight from 4.5 lbs (rudder and wing tips) to 7.6 lbs (trailing edge). I used contest wood for everything except some structural parts.






Here's the setup at the library. It's pretty fun! I love seeing ribs and formers appear on the screen as the laser works away.




A fresh sheet of ribs.




I did some plywood as well. The doublers are 1.5mm. The half ribs are to brace the landing gear mounts. I made copies in 1/32" and 1.5mm. I don't know which I'll go with. Same for the gear doors. The bellcrank mount, nose ring, and formers are 3mm.




And here's a bunch of balsa too. I had to put masking tape over the sheets for transport as I didn't put the little breaks in the laser path to keep them in the original sheet. I was being lazy. I won't make that mistake next time.




I'm particularly proud of these: 3mm MDF patterns for making moulded blocks. I didn't want to use any of my good balsa or ply, but the library provides you with some MDF material for laser cutting. So I used that. I made notches in the formers and cutouts in the bases so that they slot perfectly into place. Just add foam and sand! I will add some bracing to the underside of the base since MDF isn't exactly diamond-strength. I think I'll also saran swap the finished bucks before molding to keep water from seeping into the MDF.




That's it for now. I guess I need to actually build the thing!

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Re: .15-Size Ki-61 Build
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2025, 08:41:40 AM »
Nice!
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Re: .15-Size Ki-61 Build
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2025, 10:04:50 PM »
Awesome project Jake !

I looked at a machine available in Australia called a Cricut that cuts balsa with a small blade I think but laser cutting sounds like more fun. Not sure what the cost is for a small machine like you used though. You have some cool libraries over there !

Can I ask a few questions :

Although more visible on some parts than others, how much burning on the lasered edges is present in general ? Do all parts have blackened edges ?

Are you intending on sanding out the blackened edges ( where the glue or covering would contact ) or will you leave them ?

If there were some adhesive that would allow the blackened edges to remain, I would consider getting into lasering parts.

Anyway, that is a great project.





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Re: .15-Size Ki-61 Build
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2025, 01:48:01 AM »
Awesome project Jake !

Although more visible on some parts than others, how much burning on the lasered edges is present in general ? Do all parts have blackened edges ?

Are you intending on sanding out the blackened edges ( where the glue or covering would contact ) or will you leave them ?

If there were some adhesive that would allow the blackened edges to remain, I would consider getting into lasering parts.


The edge burn is present on every cut edge—some of the "washout" like you see on the ply can be mitigated with mastering the settings (which I haven't done yet). I'm not sure what people do with laser cut kits in general, but I haven't been sanding out the blackened edges when glueing them together. I've never noticed any adhesion issues in kits before. Although I don't think there will be any parts of this plane that have an edge in direct, perpendicular contact with the covering, I probably would sand it out just so that it takes less paint to cover it up.

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Re: .15-Size Ki-61 Build
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2025, 07:05:20 AM »
When will you be selling kits?  Nice work Jake!

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Re: .15-Size Ki-61 Build
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2025, 08:28:29 AM »
Well done Jake looking forward to the build!
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Re: .15-Size Ki-61 Build
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2025, 09:17:26 AM »
Very nice start Jake!

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Re: .15-Size Ki-61 Build
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2025, 01:53:08 PM »
One of the problems with laser cutting is that it has some width to the cut. So if you cut on the line the part will be a little under size. Holes will be a little oversize. Where it might show is the notches in the ribs for spars. They would not be a tight fit. I am not sure but I would think that the laser software compensates for this.    D>K
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Re: .15-Size Ki-61 Build
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2025, 10:25:49 AM »
that looks great,

I spent a little time over that and met up with the control line fliers in singapore, Joyce and afew others.  They were a lot of fun.

Can you share the file? 
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Re: .15-Size Ki-61 Build
« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2025, 02:47:26 PM »
Wow Jake!  Talk about climbing the learning curve!  Laser-cutting your own parts is very neat!  I love the Ki-61 - many years ago I got the Vince Machio (I'm sure I screwed up that spelling) plans for his profile version and built myself one using a Nobler wing someone had given me from their wreck.  It was a good flyer.

Are you coming to Brodaks this year?

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Re: .15-Size Ki-61 Build
« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2025, 02:08:10 AM »
Thanks all for the nice comments. Here is some progress.

I designed a jig in which to build a round fuselage straight. It consists of balsa jigs that are parallel to the formers with three holes: two for rods and a third for the bottom keel of the fuselage. Then there are four sets of fork-shaped jigs that are parallel to the fuselage centerline that hold the formers straight. There were cut from a sheet of acrylic the staff at the library gave to me. The acrylic doesn't cut as smoothly as wood, so it gives a little grip in which to hold the formers. Both sets of jigs have notches in the bottom of them that slot into a base with cutouts. To assemble, glue all the jigs into their slots. Then slide the formers into the acrylic fork jigs. Then run the two square rods through the holes in the formers and the balsa jigs. Then lay the keels in and glue it all together.




Here's another shot of the jig and fuselage structure. I made a mistake with my keel design—it was about 1/16th of an inch too short (as were each of the notches). I had to add a couple small shims to get the fit right.




The small cuts in each former are guides for the top of the edge sheeting. After I make the motor crutch and glue it to the fuselage sheeting, I'll glue the sheeting to the fuselage and then add the top and bottom blocks.




I have also built the tail surfaces; starting with the stab. It's three pieces of 1.5mm (1/16"), 5.5-lb balsa. I made it laminated so that I'd have hinge pockets aligned (in hindsight I should've made the middle piece 1mm instead of 1.5) and so I could fit a piece of carbon in it to keep it from warping. Even inside our apartment it's about 80% humidity so things tend to warp.




I have the same process for the elevators, minus the carbon.




The stab and elevator complete.





Thanks for looking!
Jake
« Last Edit: January 22, 2025, 07:54:14 AM by Jake Moon »

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Re: .15-Size Ki-61 Build
« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2025, 06:39:18 AM »
Jake, you do nice work!  Keep at it.  I am enjoying watching the progress.

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Re: .15-Size Ki-61 Build
« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2025, 03:18:34 PM »
That’s a great-looking project.  I’ve made a couple of these (for a .15 diesel), and they came out nice and light even built as per the original plans. They’re great little fliers, although with that long, high aspect ratio wing they tend to get knocked around a bit in gusts and turbulence.  I’ll attach a few photos so you can see what the finished model looks like.

(These were designed by Geoff Pentland for Kookaburra Models here in Australia. He did a range of semi-scale WW2 stunters, and must’ve known what he was doing as they all seem to fly very well. There’s a .35-size Tempest that I really should build some time.)

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Re: .15-Size Ki-61 Build
« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2025, 07:56:23 AM »
Steve,
Thanks for the info and the photos! That plane looks amazing. I don't think I've seen one built before and I'm happy to hear to builds light and flies well.

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Re: .15-Size Ki-61 Build
« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2025, 03:21:06 PM »
for some reason Jake's pictures aren't appearing on my PC.  But the Steve Thomas photos do.  What's going on?  Any guesses?

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Re: .15-Size Ki-61 Build
« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2025, 10:00:07 PM »
Update on the little Ki-61 build.

I decided to switch from a side-mounted engine as shown in the plans to an inverted setup. This was to allow for more space for the tank. Also, I think it'll make the cowl a bit easier to make. I went back to the library and laser cut new firewalls from 3mm plywood. I assembled the motor crutch, then epoxied them to the fuselage sides. the fuselage sides were made from two sheets of 2.5mm balsa with a 1/32" ply doubler. Then I glued this entire assembly to the aft fuselage, still on the jig. Each former has a notch in it to make sure it's lined up straight.




Then I could take the assembly out of the jig. Later I'll Dremel out some of the formers.




For the wing, I laser cut some jigs from acrylic sheet. The leading edge jig has a triangular cutout that I glued to the leading edge. The trailing edge jig has a 2mm slot that the trailing edge just press fits into. I also laser. cut a spacer jig, visible in the bottom right. Using this, I dropped in each rib. After that, I laid in the 5mm balsa spars. The leading edge is from 5.3-lb 8mm balsa, and the spars are from 4.6-lb 5mm balsa. That was the heaviest and straightest pieces I have. Knowing how flexible those pieces are, I decided to just sheet the whole wing.




The plans called for a 2.5" bellcrank. I have some Brodak-style (from Powers Aero in Japan) plastic 3" bellcranks, but they didn't quite fit. So I used a Dremel to cut 1/4" from each end and drilled new holes. The mount is sandwich-style between 3mm plywood plates that have 1/32" ply doublers at the holes. These two photos are from before I epoxied the top plate in or Dremeled through some of the spar for clearance.






And here's the wing pre-sheeting.






Thanks for looking!

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Re: .15-Size Ki-61 Build
« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2025, 06:49:36 AM »
Nice build Jake!

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Re: .15-Size Ki-61 Build
« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2025, 08:24:39 AM »
This looks great! You can build a whole plane in the time it takes me grind out a cowl.
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Re: .15-Size Ki-61 Build
« Reply #18 on: February 12, 2025, 02:39:55 PM »
This looks great! You can build a whole plane in the time it takes me grind out a cowl.

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Looks good Jake!
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Re: .15-Size Ki-61 Build
« Reply #19 on: February 12, 2025, 02:57:49 PM »
Jake's wing framing jig, quite rightly, aligns the LE & TE, which is the object of the game, and not merely a line of holes which are a long way from the goal line.
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Re: .15-Size Ki-61 Build
« Reply #20 on: February 12, 2025, 03:12:46 PM »
The FAI needs to get consistent with the rest of the F2 world and make 2.5 cc (.1525) the universal standard in B along with A,C, and D.
This would save everybody a huge amount of cost in buying and shipping models.

Sure, stunters score better with BIG engines, but the same could be said for speed, racing, and combat.
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Re: .15-Size Ki-61 Build
« Reply #21 on: February 13, 2025, 08:07:58 AM »
The FAI needs to get consistent with the rest of the F2 world and make 2.5 cc (.1525) the universal standard in B along with A,C, and D.
This would save everybody a huge amount of cost in buying and shipping models.

Sure, stunters score better with BIG engines, but the same could be said for speed, racing, and combat.

90% if F2B is electric. Plus larger stunt planes are more fun to fly.
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Re: .15-Size Ki-61 Build
« Reply #22 on: February 13, 2025, 08:38:17 AM »
Looks great Jake!

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Re: .15-Size Ki-61 Build
« Reply #23 on: February 14, 2025, 07:44:39 AM »
Great job, laser Jake!! : )

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Re: .15-Size Ki-61 Build
« Reply #24 on: February 14, 2025, 08:28:44 AM »
Great job, laser Jake!! : )

Gaylord, check your messages?

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