Randy, to your reply #1 to DOC...
I agree, at least in part, with his question... My District rep IS my District VP, and he did not - to my knowledge - ask around, after spreading the wording of the proposal. Did the proposal even exist before the Nats? Who originated it, and where did it go, with Alice Cotton-Royer having recently stepped down from the Rules honcho positiion?
I'm not opposed to the wording, or the idea, but there are some phrasings that come off as ambiguous. Does separating the events at the scoreboard, and having the entrant 'declare' which event he's entered, mean that Nos-30 models MUST be from AFTER the Classic era, and no more recent than 30 years ago? Or are Classic era models allowed to be "declared" as Nos-30 entries? Or even OTS eligible models? The proposal doesn't clarify...
It would serve us more richly to have these questions, and perhaps a few others, settled more clearly. That there is interest and support for something along these lines, apparently, is well-established. The more built-in sources of """discussion""" we can settle beforehand, the less rancor, the greater enjoyment for the greater number of us.
Hi Lou
I am sorry I cannot see how this is not clear, but I will try to clarify the points you are asking about,
N-30 is flown by ...any..plane that is 30 years old or older, Say that Club A is holding a N-30 contest only, you can use a Barnstormer, a Stiletto, Nobler, or anything you personally care to fly in the contest. The rules state the model must be at least 30 years old,.. period..there is no other criteria.
Just like you can fly a Barnstormer now in Classic, you could fly it in N-30
To your next question, If Club A wants to have a Contest with Old Time Classic, and N-30, you will have 3 separate score sheets, and I assume separate sign up sheets, If you want to enter your Nobler in N-30, you would sign up and fly it in that event, If the events are ran on the same circle, with the same judges you would only be allowed to enter Either Classic or N-30..NOT...Both.
The flyer has the option of flying the event that he wants. The flyer can use any plane that is 30 years old or older in N-30, N-30 planes do not fly or compete against Classic planes.N-30 is a separate event, even if it is flown on the same circle as Classic.
If the Contest has enough manpower,judges,circles to run the events as separate events, then you can enter and fly Both Classic and N-30, in both cases you will have separate sheets posted for ..all..the events that you are running.
You can in this case use your Jamison for N-30, Classic, and Old time, or you Nobler for all 3 events, If you only brought a Caprice you can fly both Classic and N-30, If you only brought a Stiletto you can only fly N-30.
In..NO..case can you ever use a N-30 plane(from later than Dec 31 1969) to compete in Classic, however you can fly your Nobler or Barnstormer, in all events.
If people are worried about someone flying N-30 instead of Classic because they maybe can get an easy trophy..that is a non issue, this sort of thing happens on occasion and always has, probably alway will on a tiny scale, All of these Events are NOT about trophies, they are about presevring by building ,showing,flying, these historic models.
The proposal existed months before the NATs...I am not sure how that question has anything to do with anything??? Maybe you can clarify ?
The proposal went to the proper people...The PAMPA EC, the EC disussed my proposal for going on 2 months before voting on it. It was approved before the NATs
The rules change person at PAMPA has nothing to do with a new proposed event..only rules changes for existing events (by the way I thought the same before I checked on it)
As to your question about who originated the proposal, that would be Randy Smith
PAMPA EC members are elected to make decisions on just such matters.
I posted the proposal below as it is in the tagged thread above.
Regards
Randy
Nostalgia 30
Nostalgia 30 is in the same spirit as Old Time and Classic, which both, are events that were conceived to provide venues that promote the construction and flying of Historic designs from by gone eras.
Both have been extremely successful as evidenced by continued growth since their inception, Further, they both have benefitted from continued adjustments to the rules that proved to stimulate participation in both events by encouraging more modelers to build,show,and fly these historic planes.
This proposal provides for the addition of a new series of designs by establishing a new event that has a 30 year rolling cutoff, That is, any plane that is 30 or more years old from the current year will be eligible for competition.
Discussion
1. This event is about recreating the past, as Old time and Classic have been the focal point of stimulating construction of the older designs, This event will do much the same for this class of older designs. Without this format, in all likelihood, many of these designs will slowly disappear and be lost forever as the data, or designers pass from the scene.
2. For the past few years, many contests have been hosting unofficial events they are similar to this proposal, i.e.: " Nostalgia 79", "Classic 84",etc. This demonstrates there is both the enthusiasm for the inclusion of a new set of designs, but also the necessity for a standard set of supplementary rules.
3. Nostalgia 30 will utilize the same rules as the current Classic Event with the exception of the eligibility of newer designs that meet the 30 year or more criteria. Due to lack of time, circles, and manpower at weekend contest, this event is designed to be run in conjunction with Classic, and administratively separated with a separate set of awards.
It can also be flown as a separate event, whichever is the most convenient for the contest management. If ran with Classic which has designs over 30 years old, Contestants would be required to declare for either Nostalgia 30 or Classic, but not both.
4. These events should always be inclusive, not exclusive, and should always,within the rules, strive to include new flyers and new planes, remember what is a Nostalgic period to one person, can be a different era for another.
Regards
Randy Smith