Nostalgia 30 is in the same spirit as Old Time and Classic, which both, are events that were conceived to provide venues that promote the construction and flying of Historic designs from by gone eras.

Both have been extremely successful as evidenced by continued growth since their inception, Further, they both have benefitted from continued adjustments to the rules that proved to stimulate participation in both events by encouraging more modelers to build,show,and fly these historic planes.

  This proposal provides for the addition of a new series of designs by establishing a new event that has a 30 year rolling cutoff, That is, any plane that is 30 or more years old from the current year will be eligible for competition.

Discussion

 1. This event is about recreating the past, as Old time and Classic have been the focal point of stimulating construction of the older designs, This event will do much the same for this class of older designs. Without this format, in all likelihood, many of these designs will slowly disappear and be lost forever as the data, or designers pass from the scene.

 
2. For the past few years, many contests have been hosting unofficial events they are similar to this proposal, i.e.: " Nostalgia 79", "Classic 84",etc. This demonstrates there is both the enthusiasm for the inclusion of a new set of designs, but also the necessity for  a standard set of supplementary rules.

 
3. Nostalgia 30 will utilize the same rules as the current Classic Event with the exception of the eligibility of newer designs that meet the 30 year or more criteria. Due to lack of time, circles, and manpower at weekend contest, this event is designed to be run in conjunction with Classic, and administratively separated with a separate set of awards.

It can also be flown as a separate event, whichever is the most convenient for the contest management. If ran with Classic which has designs over 30 years old, Contestants would be required to declare for either Nostalgia 30 or Classic, but not both.

 
4. These events should always be inclusive, not exclusive, and should always,within the rules, strive to include new flyers and new planes, remember what is a Nostalgic period to one person, can be a  different era for another.

 

Regards

Randy Smith

The above proposal has passed the PAMPA EC and is now an official PAMPA event as of July 2009. I hope this encourages the building and flying of more of these historic design stuntships

 

I'm soo happy that this has been done, and in the way it is implemented. Running the two events at the same time, and seperating them out at the tabulating table, will allow this event to be included in virtually any contest venue that includes Classic.

It'll probably take 6 months to a year before enough of us get new ships built, and we start seeing these newer ships showing up, but, after that, many N-30 planes may indeed show up.

Hi John

Thanks for your post, Maybe it will be much sooner than you think, many contest already have these airplanes flying, I have seen many Contest that allow planes from 1979 and up to 1984. One of the nice things about this class is it is inclusive of any design 30 years old or older

Regards
Randy

Not to throw any knid of monkey wrench I'm just wondering If a person could then enter 2 aircraft 1 for classic and 1 for nostalgia 30   if they wished ?

If they run the contest as two separate events ,Yes.  If they are ran together I would suspect NO

The reason I set it up so they can be ran together on the same circle, is the problem local contest management has with lack of extra circles and manpower to run more events.

Regards
Randy

Splitting an event into more and more splinters does cause problems with entries, rules, and more stuff to argue about.  Most stunt contests I've attended would have been better served by having all the events on just two circles and using 4 judges and running all the PAMPA classes intermixed.

Phil

Nostalgia 30 does not splinter the event, N-30 does not add a bunch of new rules, and I see no reason why N-30 would add to people arguing about N-30, there is no good reason for that. It is not at all like what happened to Combat and speed. N-30 is a complete apples and oranges and does in NO way reflect the combat and speed event problem, Proliferation is not what hurt combat and speed anyway, the rules being changed all the time and the enormous infighting going on, plus going to FAI with most planes coming from E Europe along with motors and the fact that a lot of the flyers got older and quit.
VSC would NOT benefit from going to 2 circles and 4 judges for nothing but PAMPA classes, Brodaks  would not  benefit from that either, N-30 is setup to be very flexible so contest management can run it or not anyway they want to.
I have had many calls emails and letter from people and they are about 99.9% positive encouraging people to build NEW planes to fly, NOT taking anyone away from the existing events
N-30 will only add planes and more people flying, not less people

Regards
Randy

""The Post-Classic-cutoff models are great, but not quite designed around the developments we've gained from in the past 5 years of so.""

Hmmm Lou
If your only talking about N-30 models...they are ALL  30 year old designs, if it is the technology,That is an entirely differant discussion there, one I am not going to worry about, one that will turn into a big deal. If you start to take away or worry about the recent developments a lot of people with modern stuff in Old Time  and  Classic ships, not even to mention N-30 planes you will open a bucket or worms. I have seen at VSC and many other places, Hi tech computer boards, EL motors, programmed flight boxes, AAC, ABC, ABN, Plasma engine parts etc in pre 1952 planes. Forget about the tons of other stuff like super light wheels  cnc  mufflers spinner and the like, handmade CF props, computer designed props, CF control system, the list goes forever.

Many people are concerned about this, but I think it is here to stay.

Regards
Randy

Randy --

N-30 has not been posted on the PAMPA web site. Have there been any wording changes, or is there some other hold up?

I was looking for the exact wording. Is what you have in your original post above the way it was passed?

Larry Fulwider

Hi Larry

Yes that is the exact proposal that was passed by the EC

Randy

Horrace

The PAMPA rules are the exact same as Classic except the cut=off date is anything over 30 years old

Regards
Randy

Hi Roger

Matt is correct, it is  legal for either  Nostalgia  or Classic, yo can fly it in either  event

Have fun with it

Randy

Randy,  Does the airplane have to have been published to be eligible?

Thanks,

Stan Powell

Hi Stan

No the planes do not have to have been published, If you designed and flew a plane 30 years ago that  is  OK  and is good to fly

Randy

          I see here it was previously stated that when flying Classic and N-30 concurrently with separated awards at a contest that a flier had to declare which event to be scored  which makes sense, but what if he has (2) different models he wants to compete with in the concurrent running events- would most CD'S allow him to compete this way? I see no reason not to, but what do some of yawl more experienced CD'S think?
         Doug 

Hi Doug

Same as flying Classic and Old Time in the same contest, It is all up to the CD if the events of Classic and N-30 are combined.  I have been at contest that were ran either way, both works well and as stated, it is just in what the management of the contest wants to do

Randy

If Classis and N-30 are combined, the event is simply just N-30.

  EXACTLY!!!! I have been saying that N-30 is just a redundant PAMPA class for years now!! There have been way too many threads where the question is "What is the latest, legal N-30 designs,  of when was this modern airplane designed and is it N-30 legal. Some guys just want to use a single airplane for both N-30 and their PAMPA skill class, and while I understand that, but if you are an intermediate class flier a Shark .45 will fill the bill there, as I did that for years. I am seeing SV-11 ARFs in N-30 now and that is just not in the spirit of flying vintage. That is just trophy hunting. I think it should be eliminated and if you need a third vintage class, make it the Super 70's class with a cutoff date of December31, 1979. If there isn't an airplane in that ten years after Classic that can make you happy, it can't be done!!
  Type at you later,
   Dan McEntee


  PS to Add;
        If you think about it, when was the last new stunt design or new stunt kit you saw released?? Other than rehashes of older designs?  It maybe almost 30 years ago for anything significant.