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Nostalgia 30 => Nostalgia 30 => Topic started by: Randy Powell on July 29, 2019, 01:56:50 PM
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So, I'm considering building a Super 70s plane. I'm waiting to hear of that class will be included at the contests I plan to attend next year.
More later when I get word back. It's going to be cool if I do build it.
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So, I will post here as I get started on it. Looking forward to a new project. I'm excited to build a plane for the first time in a long time.
Wheeeee!!!!
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It's going to be cool if I do build it.
Well duh, that's a given. y1
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Always thought one of these would be fun....
https://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4019.0;attach=183390;image
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Very nice design and right up your alley!!!!
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I've built a Novi IV before. It's different.
My plan will make Wayne happy. I'm planning to build a Bob Hunt F-105 Thunderchief. Started cutting out the templates last night. I'm already looking over scale paint schemes.
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Will you fly in striped bell-bottoms and white shoes? 70's Class!
Shug
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I've built a Novi IV before. It's different.
My plan will make Wayne happy. I'm planning to build a Bob Hunt F-105 Thunderchief. Started cutting out the templates last night. I'm already looking over scale paint schemes.
HA! SWEET!!! #^
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Here's a couple...
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" I'm already looking over scale paint schemes. "
Theres about two or three and a shark mouth , I think . :( One can always use a hypothetical paint scheme .
(https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/02/d6/35/c0/octave-chanute-aerospace.jpg)
Like Navy or Marines or N A S A , or one from a parrallel universe .
(http://www.ourworlds.net/blackhawk/models/blackhawk_f-105.jpg)
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/F-105G_landing_at_Korat_Dec_1972.jpg
Why not a Weasel? One of our birds from "Back in the Day"
Ken
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Indeed . The Thuder Birds & the Silver have already been taken . S?P
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I love to watch Randy build and posts his pictures. Skilled builder with cool paint schemes, this should be fun to watch.
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That is one vicious looking plane. D>K
I would use the same adjective to describe what it was like to work on it!
Ken
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So, back from vacation and started the actual building yesterday. I conned Pat Johnston into laser cutting the ribs. Thanks Pat!
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Thanks, Bob. Cool pictures. And I found a canopy. Turns out ParkFlyers had one that was really close. Go figure.
And, more progress. Took a bit to get the wing jig set up because I had to machine new chocks. But we made it. LE, TE on the wing finally done. 36 hinge pockets built (what a pain). Will start assembling the wing today. Cool.
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Excited to see this one come together, what's the power plan?
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Not sure. Electric for sure, but probably a 2826-12 with 5 cell battery and 60am esc. Probably. With this nose, it will be cool without the IC head hanging down. Like all planes, a bunch of work in areas that are not so noticeable then it will come together all at once.
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More progress.
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Cool, I figured it'd be an electric jobbie.
I've done quite a bit of searching for color scheme ideas for this one, not much out there other than the camo versions. I don't know if there were ever any bare aluminum ANG versions but if so a nicely detailed Washington ANG scheme would be pretty cool. The T-Bird's scheme seems the obvious choice but that's exactly the problem with it, too obvious and done a million times already. S?P ;D
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Cool, I figured it'd be an electric jobbie.
I've done quite a bit of searching for color scheme ideas for this one, not much out there other than the camo versions. I don't know if there were ever any bare aluminum ANG versions but if so a nicely detailed Washington ANG scheme would be pretty cool. The T-Bird's scheme seems the obvious choice but that's exactly the problem with it, too obvious and done a million times already. S?P ;D
I have seen a couple of bare aluminum ones but I have no idea where they were stationed.
http://www.thisdayinaviation.com/10-august-1961/republic-f-105d-3/
They may have just been stripped to be repainted in SEA camouflage. Only way to go - 2 man Weasel. Has the sharks teeth and everything.
Ken
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I suspect the paint scheme with be similar to Bob's original. I've found a couple scale versions I like, too.
We'll see.
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I suspect the paint scheme with be similar to Bob's original. I've found a couple scale versions I like, too.
We'll see.
This has got to be the least painted plane in history. Nothing worth duplicating. It's T-Bird, Flat Gray, Silver or SEA Camouflage . Such a popular plane that nobody but our Air Force flew it. Even the prototypes were plane Jane. Still, the "G" model has a place in my heart. Lost a lot of good men in that plane. If you won't do the weasel, do the T-Bird. It may have been done 1,000 times before but it really stands out in a crowd. Other than that it is just adding panel lines to the base coat.
You'll come up with something and it will be good. Keep the pictures coming, I am really curious how you spread out the electric parts.
Ken
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Not doing a camo scheme. But there are a couple I'm looking at.
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Not doing a camo scheme. But there are a couple I'm looking at.
I did see some other photos of that one with the red tail too, might be kinda cool. It's one of the few I found with any amount of color.
Another possibility is just dreaming up your own fictitious (but believeable) scheme. That's what I did a while back with my modified "NAVY" Skyray, with "MN" incorporated on the tail to signify Minnesota...
https://stunthanger.com/smf/open-forum/'skyray-my-way'-finished-photos/msg21692/#msg21692
Whatever the decision, I'm confident something cool will come out of the "Powellworks". y1
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Wayne,
The sign on my shop door says, "Mocker's Rest".
Makes sense if you're a Raymond Feist fan.
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Uhh, had to Google that one...sounds like the JCT had better tread lightly.
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More progress. Stab is built but not shaped. Fuse is framed. just planking the wing. Also have a 3-view. Bob was closer than he thought.
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Bob was closer then he thought.
Huh?
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Paint ?
what about the one with the naked pin up girl nose art .
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Wayne,
Bob said he just sort of put a ton of inkines on the original. Seems there were a ton of panel lines on the original.
And more progress. Tough weekend. Spent most of it working outside. My back is whining at me.
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Wayne,
Bob said he just sort of put a ton of inkines on the original. Seems there were a tone of panel lines.
Ahh, makes sense now. Comparing with the above photos of Bob's original, he must have found the panel line reference after he did his. ;)
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I want Bob to know that I am building exactly according to the plan. So, no molded balsa, no alterations. I broke out some very light balsa (less than 4lb stock) I've been saving for a special occasion.
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I want Bob to know that I am building exactly according to the plan. So, no molded balsa, no alterations. I broke out some very light balsa (less than 4lb stock) I've been saving for a special occasion.
Doesn't the plan show an IC engine? S?P :## :## :##
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Haha. OK, I did change something. I put in an electric motor mount.
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Sorry, couldn't resist that one. ;D
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Les did nice work.
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Vivid tecnicolour .
(https://stunthanger.com/smf/open-forum/35-size-stiletto-airplane/?action=dlattach;attach=33475)
https://stunthanger.com/smf/open-forum/35-size-stiletto-airplane/
Find enough pictures of it , and over time contemplateing / interpreting , youd get something pretty close .
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Les did nice work.
To say the least! y1
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No work on the new plane. Flew in a contest last weekend and haven't got back to it. Just love carving blocks.
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It sorta looks like a plane. Kinda.
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Yep. I love this thing.
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Sub-dorsal rudder looks bigger on the plane than it did on the plans
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How's it going out there?
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OK, so far, Wayne.
Here's a couple of pics. Turns out the canopy I was going to use won't work. I'm deciding if I'm going to make one or just use a simulated canopy.
I'm going on vacation this weekend for 2 weeks so this is probably the last update for a bit.
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Coming along nicely! y1
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Copped out and did a simulated canopy. Bob will be unhappy. Looks better in person than in the pictures.
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Welcome back Randy, looking forward to more progress. y1
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So, a bit more progress. Fitting the jet intakes and cowl. Still haven't figured out how to set up the arming plug and start button
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... Still haven't figured out how to set up the arming plug and start button
Your layout is similar to mine. FYI I love the huge bottom hatch. I put the arming plug in the hatch. I bend the leads on the start button and re-solder to put it right next to the timer. Since you are going to have to flip it over to change batteries anyway, why not have access to everything.
Ken
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You've got about 3 times the space. It's more figuring out where to put the battery plugin. I'm using Dean's bulkhead mounts.
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Still haven't figured out how to set up the arming plug and start button
That's easy, the arming plug screws into the cylinder head and the start button is on your starter. Glad I could help. VD~
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You've got about 3 times the space. It's more figuring out where to put the battery plugin. I'm using Dean's bulkhead mounts.
You may be right, I kept the pipe tunnel in the design so I probably have more room at the bottom. I used the same concept on a converted ARF Nobler and got both the timer and the arming plug into the cowling leaving the entire tank compartment for the battery with the esc between the mounts under the battery. Still the most I could fit was a stubby 4s. Turnegy makes a rather thin 4s and 5s in there "Nano" line that would probably fit in around the 3000 - 3300 size. Not as light as the Thunderpower but they perform well.
I have gone to placing the esc into the wing area behind the battery to keep it from forcing cooling vents in the top and to move some weight closer to the CG. I was tired of having to add tail weight. Hopefully in what is left of my usable lifetime we will have a battery that doesn't weigh so much and is smaller.
It is hard with the "Classics"/N30's to find room for a decent size battery.
I absolutely love the plane so far, even if you aren't going to paint it as a Weasel!
Ken
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Thanks for the nice comments. Glad I'm causing Bob some harsh flashbacks. It's a fun plane to build overall. Lot of challenges but hey, that's why we do this stuff.
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It's a fun plane to build overall. Lot of challenges but hey, that's why we do this stuff.
Fun to watch people build these designs that can do them justice too. y1
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Still working on pieces. Carving and fitting the air intakes and drop tanks. Bob had an evil turn of mind when he designed this dude. Sill messing with shapes. Started on the flaps, too. Decided to finish much of the front of the air intakes before mounting them. Later it will be too big a pain to get in there. Still fitting electronics. Another joy.
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Well Bob, the tanks have been the most challenging for me. I hogged the intakes all out and put a backstop to imitate an inset. I finished the intake part up to ready to paint as I didn't think I could get in there to sand after they were on. Got one drop tank done. Sheesh, that was a ton of work. ;D
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......a great choice for the slightly larger models that we were all starting to build to accept the more powerful and slightly heavier .40 size engines that were beginning to become available....
LL~
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Wayne, the pylon is glued to the wing but the tank bolts on. I was pretty happy. The tank and pylon weighed in at about 15 grams.
Bob, hope mine lasts awhile. I'm planning to use basically the same setup I used in the ill fated Mirage. It seemed to have plenty of power. 2826-10 930kv motor, 60 amp esc, Hubin timer and a 4 cell, 2800mAh battery.
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Bit more progress. Both drop tanks done, the cowl is roughly fitted, main gear bent but still working on the gear doors and about half done with a battery hold down system. Just about ready to complete the flaps and then it will be on to final sanding and finish.
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Looks cool. I bet it's gonna be some fun blending those intakes into the wing.
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Man, it's been a ride. Parts of this plane are insanely difficult, but it's should be cool. I'm having a ball building it. Bob is a genius. Clearly.
;D
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This is bringing back memories of all the insane things we built in the 60's and 70's. This one was one of my favorites. I wish I had built it. I did build one along the lines of the F-14 with the huge intakes. Didn't last long, faulty clevis but it flew remarkably well. I was surprised that all that junk under the wing and intakes had no noticeable impact on how well it flew. That 2nd picture has "Fly Me" written all over it. Anybody who worked on these magnificent planes will never forget the sound of the AB makes when they take off with a full load. "Thud" and the ground shakes, which ironically is not where it got it's nickname! Paint it up as a 105F. (I never give up)
Ken
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I like the "F" but no camo.
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Man this one is tough. I keep searching every so often for '104 schemes but it's either camo or semi-boring bare aluminum with very minimal squadron coloring. Apparently there were no "colorful" groups using them. All I do know is the world doesn't really need another model done in a Thunderbird scheme.
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Say hey Randy, drive'em nuts and go for a Blue Angles theme. LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~
Have you ever encountered a pissed off Weasel? ~^
Just for grins I went back and looked at 105f/g paint schemes and except for some of the most God awful sharks noses and some naked women, that has to be the most boring plane in history. I did find one that was painted yellow on a video, then it got hit by a missile - a target drone. Don't think that I would paint one up to look like a target drone. I tried to find some pictures of the prototypes since they usually paint them up pretty but found zero.
Good Luck Randy
Ken
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I found the paint scheme I'm going to use, but it doesn't vary much from Bob's original. Two tone gray, some blue and red and a touch of yellow.
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I found the paint scheme I'm going to use, but it doesn't vary much from Bob's original. Two tone gray, some blue and red and a touch of yellow.
Cool, anxious to see this one. y1
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The vents look better in person.
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Ditch the silver and use white instead, it's not full scale. Built an electric F105 in 2013. The retracts have been trouble free. Yes she still flies!
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So, one flap done. All that's left is the outboard flap and fairings.
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So, it's built. Doing the wiring at the moment then will move on to final sanding and begin the finish. I will say, this thing has extremely free controls. Been awhile since I built a plane that just the weight of the flaps will pull them down.
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Throw in a picture or two of the "electronics bay" (sounds better than "tank compartment") when you get it finished. I am curious how you laid it out. Are you venting through the spinner gap? All of my electrics have a huge front intake and a whole bunch of rear vents. You don't have any way to do that.
Can't wait to see it finished.
ken
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Well, unfortunately, I had to cut a bunch of vents. Shame, that.
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Well, unfortunately, I had to cut a bunch of vents. Shame, that.
You know, if it had a "tank compartment"... VD~
Seriously though, looks really cool Randy, time to get out the blue stuff!
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Well, I found out the motor I was going to use is on back order. May not get to fly at VSC after all. We'll see. Little late to retrofit now.
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Ouch, that's a bummer. Didn't you have a motor to work with during the build though? IDK, maybe with electric there's a million of them all with the same dimensions?
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Cobra 2826/12 or the BadAss 2826-690 or 2826-1030 should all fit. I elaborated on your other thread but I may have been thinking a front mount. From the early pix it appears you used a rear mount. Even with a rear mount, those three motors should fit. There is a 1.5mm difference in overall length with the BadAss.
Ken
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Thanks for the offer, guys. I found one. I wanted to have two separate setups. If the thing ends up being tail heavy (a possibility), I wanted a heavier drive train to use instead of adding nose weight.
So Setup Number 1:
Cobra 2826/10 930kv motor, 60amp ECS, Hubin Timer and 4s 2800 mAh battery.
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Cobra 2826/12 760kv motor, same ESC and timer, 5s 2800 mAh battery.
When I built it, I had the 2826/12. Either setup would work but I prefer the lighter one if possible.
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Thanks for the offer, guys. I found one. I wanted to have two separate setups. If the thing ends up being tail heavy (a possibility), I wanted a heavier drive train to use instead of adding nose weight.
So Setup Number 1:
Cobra 2826/10 930kv motor, 60amp ECS, Hubin Timer and 4s 2800 mAh battery.
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Cobra 2826/12 760kv motor, same ESC and timer, 5s 2800 mAh battery.
When I built it, I had the 2826/12. Either setup would work but I prefer the lighter one if possible.
I run your "or" setup on my classic Nobler. I have to use a 4s to shoehorn it in. The 2800 will barely finish the pattern. It should be fine on a 5s.
I would be curious to know what your battery usage will be on the 2826/10. It should be less than the /12. Reason I ask is that I am converting another ship that has plenty of room. I was going to get a new motor. If what you are doing works, I can move the /12 to the other ship and get a /10 for the Nobler. Or I could just get another 2820/12 but it won't take a 5s and, who knows how small batteries will be next year!
You going to fly it unfinished? I would.
Ken
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I used the 2826/10 with 11x5 three blade carbon prop and a 4s battery in my Mirage. 620sq inches and weighed, well, a lot. 68oz ready to fly. left about 15-16% in battery. Plenty of power.
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Well. it's built. Took about 6 hours to fit all the stuff in the nose. Lots of modifications to get stuff to fit. But all up ready to fly with 5s battery (I'll probably be using a 4s), prop, spinner, wheels, ESC, timer and arming system came up to 54oz. Heavier than I wanted but with 4s ~3oz less. Balance is pretty far forward so should work with 4s and finish.
And that's not the prop I'm using.
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Way cool Randy. What's the backwards scoopy looking thing on the left side of the nose?
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Had to have some place to put the start button.
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Does anyone make a simple remote start setup for these things?
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Probably.
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OK, so it's covered. Man, this is going to need a lot of sanding. GM on wings, 00 everywhere else.
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Must still be sanding? ;D
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And sanding and sanding and sanding....... Om-Madai-Padi-Ummmmm....
Doing 600 wet right now. Then it will be color time. Tomorrow, I hope.
Had an interruption. My wife took a dive off her horse and severely dislocated her hand and fractured her wrist. The last week I've been nursing her after surgery and such. Threw my schedule off a bit. ;D
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Paint this weekend. WooHoo!!
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So, some of it's painted.
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OK, I pulled tape. Next is Olive Drab then some Black and some Red and some stripes on the rudder and then......
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Thanks, Bob. Nice picture. ;D
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About half done with trim. Should be able to finish trim plus graphics tomorrow. Then a ton of inklines. Ugh.
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This is the vague guideline.
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Looks pretty nice from over on the East side Randy.
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This is the vague guideline.
I was wondering about the green, but I get it now. :)
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I was wondering about the green, but I get it now. :)
Anti glair. They painted them with clear lacquer in Germany and they shined. Randy was smart to pick the 36th. Most military planes are painted flat.
Ken
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Seemed the thing.
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Still some black. Then graphics, ink and clear.
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Anti glair.
Ken
Yep, I knew that, most often anti-glare panels were done in black though. I just thought the green seemed an odd choice for the "Thud", until I saw the reference Randy is using. There are very few F-105 schemes to pick from that have much for color, Randy found a good one here.
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More progress. Man I hate inklines. And I'm bad at them. Shame, that. And the pics aren't very good for some reason. Sigh...
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Are those your own waterslides or..?
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Yes, I made the decals. They came out OK, mostly.
I hate rushing but i'm out of time.
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I hate rushing but i'm out of time.
Oh yeah, bringing it to Tucson?
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Wayne,
That's the plan. I hope.
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10-4, keep on truckin'!
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The clear is on.
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The clear is on.
Sounds like Tucson should be too then?
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Gee, Bob. <blush>
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OK, final pics. It's current on it's way to Tucson.
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So it'll be a maiden flight in Tucson? The "Thud" really looks great, best of luck with it. y1
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Yea, we'll see. Might be good. And, might not. ;D
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It is going to be fun to learn to land 15 degrees nose up. Ever consider adding a drag chute? That would be beyond cool especially if you didn't let the judges know before hand!
You going to use gloss clear or satin? I have personally never seen a military plane other than the Thunderbirds in gloss.
This is a super cool plane. I sincerely hope it flies as good as it looks.
Ken
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Not bad Randy, not bad at all. Terrific effort .
John L.
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Ken,
It was a dope finish with polyurethane clear top coat. Sort of buffed. I didn't have time to finish the buffing. Oh well.
It should present well in the air. Based on weight, power and absolutely the smoothest control system I've even managed to build and a wicked cool design, it should be fun to fly.
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Randy, you have a masterpiece there. Wow is the best description I can give for it. Not just well done, but exceptionally well done. H^^ H^^
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As some of you might have heard, the new plane is no more. Combination of bad conditions and bad decision making. Plane was caught in turbulence and got swatted into the ground. I knew I should have bailed on the clover. Pretty much a total.
Shame, that.
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RP,
Very sorry to hear that. It was a beauty! Did you get more than the one flight?
My guys said it never showed for appearance judging, so I wondered....
The Divot
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Dave,
That's the worst part. I got 5 flights on it and it flew really well. Nice, flat bottoms and did rounds right off the board. Nice flying plane.
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Dave,
That's the worst part. I got 5 flights on it and it flew really well. Nice, flat bottoms and did rounds right off the board. Nice flying plane.
Nothing can take away the pain of losing a new ship. The warm fuzzies that come from a plane that flies right off of the bench keep reminding you of what could have been. Most planes can be made to do corners pretty soon out of the blocks but the rounds tell it all. We burried a lot of Thuds in Thailand. Maybe it just thought it was supposed to... ''
Build another one but this time paint it as a Weasel LL~
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THAT would @#$% you off .
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I caught a vague comment somewhere the other day that didn't sound good, sorry to hear my initial hunch was true, damn.
Well, at least you're bench is clear for the next build. I vote for another Thud, heck, the plans are probably still taped to the wall!
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Wayne,
I'm finishing a partially built Don Shultz Avenger for classic. That will likely be my VSC plane next year.
Then I have some ideas.....
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Naw, I've recovered. Already planning the next one.
Just to prove it did fly. My sister-in-law took the pictures
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Great to see your not gunna let it beat ya .
All the hopes & dreams tied up in it , quite a hurdle to clear to get up & get on with it, again .
Wonder if anyone'd insure these things , Hours at a comercial rate & materials involved . A pretty penny or two there .
For petes sake , with that electricary , get it out and FLY IT before all the effort in the ' finishing ' .Used electrons wash off .
Did you have the Drop Tanks bolt on , or fixed . ? . Now we can all stop worrying for you . ;D
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For petes sake , with that electricary , get it out and FLY IT before all the effort in the ' finishing ' .Used electrons wash off.
Wouldn't have made a difference. I always fly before I finish but getting pancaked on the clover is just a part of PA. It happens to all of us.
Beautiful plane - Ken
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Perhaps just one more reason to consider the new rules proposal to alter the entry point of the Clover. Many are against the proposal because they don't want to change the long standing pattern for some nostalgic reason. Not all change is bad...
Later - Bob
PS: Just one more time, Randy, a magnificent effort on your part.
Couldn't agree more. I have only had a handful of planes that could make that turn from 42 in bad air and in Texas that is about all we have. Thermal downdrafts have spelled the end many a plane here, mine included. Personally I like the clover flown from 45 better but I also respect the opinion of those that don't.
Ken
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Hi Ken:
The proposal we have to look at is to alter the entry point to level flight at the center of the maneuver. In other words the first thing is to make an inside turn of 90 degrees and go straight up to the point of the first inside loop, and then fly the maneuver as before from that point. Tat eliminates the dreaded turn back into the wind at the start of the maneuver as we do it now. In very heavy wind it is often difficult for some to climb to the 42/45 degree altitude and hold that until the start of the maneuver. Will the new proposal alleviate some of that? Don't know until I go out and fly it! But, I have an open mind to make the chane if it is indeed better/safer.
Later - Bob
I went out and flew some that way when it first surfaced last year. After a few tries to defeat the muscle memory I was able to do it without much effort. It is both easier to fly and in my opinion safer but that is just me. One thing that I did notice was that the momentum loss that you get from having to hold the 42 was gone and it carried through the whole maneuver which actually makes that last leaf less dangerous. I would still move the center to 45 to make the whole thing easier to position. One thing I have noticed is that a lot of us already do it at 45 and others over compensate and are down around 40. I tend to do both depending on the air.
Ken
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Okay, perhaps we need to cease hijacking this thread, and I'm as guilty of that as anyone else here; perhaps more. The loss of Randy's F-105 hit me hard. It was, after all, my first published design, and I have a rather paternal instinct about it. The fact that it was lost in the Clover made me think - and post - about the new rules proposal concerning the entry point of that maneuver.
I do have a lot of additional thoughts about that proposal; and I'm not indicating that I'm totally in favor of it. Let's move this discussion to the rules section of this forum, and let Randy's unbelievably gorgeous Thunderchief have this thread all to itself; it deserves it, Sorry, Randy, for letting - and helping - it drift away from that.
Later - Bob Hunt
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Wouldn't have mattered how I entered. Just bad luck. I was doing the second loop and the wind changed direction and gusted. Heavily. I hit the turbulence and the plane was swatted into the ground. I knew I should have bailed out when I had it free flight in the overhead 8s. The conditioned sucked and I should have just bailed out. Such is life.