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Offline John KruziK

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KR governer timer /sequencer
« on: April 09, 2013, 05:53:26 PM »
It seems that the Kr governer timer , sold by RSM, is an easy way to get into electric. I like the idea of not burning up system in the event that prop hits something immoveable, like the ground. Has anyone used this and how do you lke it. Thanks
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Re: KR governer timer /sequencer
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2013, 08:26:23 PM »
Hi John,
    I started ECL with the Castle ice/fm-9 set up and did'nt quite understand the programming BS and promptly burned the ESC($100.00) to a crisp after a buckhorn incident.I started using the KR stuff almost right away and I love the way it operates.No computers!!!!When I set my RPM I just tack it until desired RPM is reached and fly it.If you need a little more/less RPM adjust it.When you are happy leave it alone and fly....and fly.........and fly.Its quick and very easy to change any setting with a simple +/- programmer stick.I think you'll like it.
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Re: KR governer timer /sequencer
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2013, 11:42:21 AM »
The KR timer/governor is the only timer I use and I have several of them flying in everything from 1/2a Pathfinder to a 46 size Naughty Girl.  It's simplicity of use, the cost savings of not needing a governor ESC and the quality of the timer/governor have made this product a success.  Also if you need any help with it I am Keith's rep here in the U.S. and will be happy to help.  One last thing I too burned up my first electric setup from a prop strike, since I switched to the KR I have never burned up anything and I have had several prop strikes.  Larry Renger and I do about half our flying at a local parks off grass.

If you have any questions regarding the KR timer/governor email me and I will be happy to help.
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Re: KR governer timer /sequencer
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2013, 12:15:09 PM »
I, too, started using KR timer/governors last year after a very expensive tangle with tall grass (destroyed esc and motor). The advantages have already been explained by others, but I can add that Keith provides very quick and detailed support. I thought I had an issue with one of mine last fall when I was setting it up, but a quick email to Keith remedied things in short order (problem was on my end....between ears). I contacted Castle asking if they could program their esc's to shut off in the manner of the KR timer, but was told I was the only person who had ever asked and that (contrary to empirical evidence) they didn't believe their esc's would self destruct if accidentally run through tall grass.  I was also told that their high current shut off worked fine....ha! Although I own 5 of the much more expensive Castle esc's, I now use KR timers and inexpensive Turnigy "Trust" esc's in my CLPA planes. So far no prop in the turf problems, but I no longer worry about destroying my entire system as a result of doing so. (I fly off my own rather rough circle with grass that likes to reach out and grab lines and props.)

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Re: KR governer timer /sequencer
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2013, 06:51:38 PM »
Thanks everyone for your help. Robert, does the turnigy trust esc have to be programed, or do you just run it out of the box. Thanks
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Re: KR governer timer /sequencer
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2013, 11:45:40 PM »
Thanks everyone for your help. Robert, does the turnigy trust esc have to be programed, or do you just run it out of the box. Thanks

Hi John,

Most esc's need to have the brake function set to ON, so it's nice to have a simple programming card for them. This is usually done once, so if you have a buddy with one of these cards, then just ask them to do it for you. If you happen to have an R/C system then you can set most functions with a series of beeps and the throttle stick, but that is a bit of a pain in the butt. The one calibration that often needs setting is the throttle range and I allowed for this on the timer itself. You simply put the slide switch from the timer into the ON position without the battery connected. Then connect the battery and mostly (depending on the particular esc) you will hear 2 quick beeps. This sends full throttle, or a 2 milli-second pulse width, to the esc. Now switch the slide switch OFF (low throttle) and the throttle range of the esc is calibrated to the timer.

Please remember when flying in thick grass to get someone to hold the model, or use a stooge until the rpm has built up to flying rpm. While it is winding up for a short slow rpm take-off, the low rpm detection program is not working. This only takes a few seconds. The short circuit protection claimed by CC and other manufacturers is usually not fast enough to stop them burning out. You are asking these tiny circuits to handle 40 amps and more when running and then suddenly you need a little bit more to shut down, and at the same time you don't want this to happen when you hit those hard corners. It's a big ask and this is why I developed the low rpm detection in my system. I hope that you will enjoy the governor timer.

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Re: KR governer timer /sequencer
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2013, 07:45:29 PM »
Most of this thread has focused on the prop strike protection offered by the KR Timer.  While the prop strike feature is certainly a PLUS, I want to point out that the KR Timer does a good job of governing the RPM.
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Re: KR governer timer /sequencer
« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2013, 09:25:07 AM »
You are correct Dennis but I guess I just think of that as a given.  What I mean is there are many systems that give the user a well governed motor run.  What sets the KR governor/timer apart from the rest are cost savings, ease of use, and hardware protection.  Oh and by the way it's a very good governor as well.  For people like me who fly allot off grass, the prop strike protections is very important.  I lost my brand new Take Apart Ringmaster on the second flight and would have lost the entire power system if not for the strike protection.  The ESC, battery, and motor are all ready for use on the new Take Apart Ringmaster.  I just finished putting together an ARF Flite Streak for slow combat, I would not even consider doing electric combat without the prop strike feature of the KR timer, given my skill level in combat the chances of me going in are very high. ~^

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Re: KR governer timer /sequencer
« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2013, 08:56:51 AM »
John,

The Turnigy Trust series of esc's will work fine using the default settings, but (as others have pointed out) certain parameters may offer advantages if programmed. Turnigy sells a very inexpensive programming card that allows you to set all programmable parameters by simply configuring a set of jumpers on the card, connecting the card in lieu of the esc, and then connecting a battery. Disconnect the battery, and all the programming is done. Very convenient....and no computer is needed.

Also, as Dennis reports, the KR timer's regulator circuitry works VERY well, noticeably (albeit subjectively) better than the Castle's built in governor.

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Re: KR governer timer /sequencer
« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2013, 02:24:28 AM »
Is there a list of which ESC work and which don't.
I understood that the real cheap ones have a to low resolution to work properly.
But which ESC has a high and which a low resolution?

Sadly the timer won't work with a 10 pole motor.
Guess how many poles my motor has  :'(

Greetings Robert-Jan

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Re: KR governer timer /sequencer
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2013, 11:10:43 AM »
I have found the CC Tunderbird, ZTW, and Turnigy ESCs seem to work very well.  I know Keith has been working on the 10 pole motor issue, he would like to get the Plettenberg motors to work but it's been difficult problem to overcome.  I will let Keith talk to this issue. 
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