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What's the difference in these motors?
« on: May 11, 2014, 01:24:30 PM »
As far as power or able to carry a plane.



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Re: What's the difference in these motors?
« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2014, 03:07:06 PM »
I think AXI is a better name.  Everyone has their own way of calling out numbers (a number like 2826 means that something is 28mm diameter and 26mm long -- but what?).

If you can believe them, the best thing to look at is power rating -- the motor with the highest (real) power rating will carry the biggest plane without burning up.  The motor with the highest fake power rating will, of course, pretend to be able to carry the biggest plane.
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Re: What's the difference in these motors?
« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2014, 03:58:56 PM »
They are both nice motors.  Cobra is lower priced but has really nice bearings.  Axi is higher priced and nice bearings. The 2820 is a 40 sized replacement and the 2826 is bigger - like 50 sized ... I have both motors and they both perform well. My opinion is that the Cobra is a better value at half the price if you catch a sale. 
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Re: What's the difference in these motors?
« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2014, 06:26:10 PM »
The AXI is bigger and heavier and will pull planes from about 55 oz to 70 oz easily. (power 25 equivalent) the cobra will work well in planes 45-55 oz. (power 15 equivalent. Sometimes the easiest way to figure out equivalent motors among different brands is to forget all the numbers except the KV and compare weights of the motors. You will start to notice certain trends.
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Re: What's the difference in these motors?
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2014, 06:15:48 AM »
Thanks guys. Swapped them out on the Force. 🐸


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Re: What's the difference in these motors?
« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2014, 08:00:23 AM »
Thanks guys. Swapped them out on the Force.

If this is your plane that's overheating the motors, it may help, but I think you still need more cooling.
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Re: What's the difference in these motors?
« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2014, 08:04:47 AM »
Thanks Tim.


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Re: What's the difference in these motors?
« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2014, 08:59:23 AM »
It's the wires inside the motor that get hot; that's where you really need the air flow.  I'm not sure that encouraging the air to flow over the rotor is going to help much.
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Re: What's the difference in these motors?
« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2014, 10:18:59 AM »
Need something to direct the air flow over the motor or into the opening.   
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Re: What's the difference in these motors?
« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2014, 10:21:48 AM »
Thanks Tim.
How else can I cool it and still make it look cool?

Only other thing I can think of:
Cut the tip off the spinner or remove the spinner.

I'm open to suggestion.
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Re: What's the difference in these motors?
« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2014, 10:37:36 AM »
Measure the temp with a temp gun if your under 150 degrees your ok. Looking at the design can you do an in scoop on the right side and an out scoop on the left ? right scoop open to front left open to back.

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Re: What's the difference in these motors?
« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2014, 10:46:11 AM »
Thanks Tim.
How else can I cool it and still make it look cool?

Only other thing I can think of:
Cut the tip off the spinner or remove the spinner.

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You can also try a smaller spinner plus open up the nose ring.  Capture air around a spinner and inside the nose ring, it should pump THROUGH the motor and carry heat from the windings.

Also suggest trying first with the original motor to see of you made a difference.
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Re: What's the difference in these motors?
« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2014, 10:52:29 AM »
How else can I cool it and still make it look cool?

I don't like holes whacked in spinners, so I wouldn't advocate cutting the tip off the spinner unless you get desperate.

If the problem is motor cooling, then you need to get some ram-air cooling to the front of the motor.  I think what I would do on this would be to extend that scoop that I see on the bottom of the fuselage all the way flush with the front of the fuselage.  Then I would make it big (at least half the diameter of the motor), and functional, so that it directs air into the space in front of the motor.

Given the gap between your spinner and fuselage, I'd try to move the engine back -- ideally, I'd shoot for just enough gap that the spinner didn't have a chance to grind on the fuselage: for me that'd be 1/32" or so.  This will give more room for the air to get into the motor, and less room for it to escape out of the spinner-fuselage joint.

But put that all aside for the moment -- we're diagnosing things with pictures and words, and there are other possible reasons for your problem.  So if I had that plane, the first thing I'd do is try to isolate the problem.  I'd inspect the installation for undue friction, and if I didn't find any I'd fly the plane without a spinner at all to see if the motor stays cool.  Flying without the spinner isn't a solution, but it is a definitive diagnostic that airflow really is your problem.  If the thing gets to the same temperature without the spinner as with, then cooling isn't your first problem, and you can mess with cooling all year and never solve the real problem.

The second thing I'd do is look at other profile airplanes to see how they've solved the problem.  I've never built an electric CL profile, so I'm going on guesswork.

The third thing I'd do, if the thing stays cool with the spinner off and #2 didn't yield results, is to rework my nose to match the drawing, and test.
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Re: What's the difference in these motors?
« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2014, 10:58:29 AM »
As suggested, remove the spinner and back plate.   If not enough room for air flow past the shaft and that nose ring, open it up a little.   They make spinner nuts to replaced the prop nut on the engine that don't look bad to me.  In fact I use a lot of them on my profiles.
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Re: What's the difference in these motors?
« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2014, 11:04:07 AM »
You can also try a smaller spinner plus open up the nose ring.  Capture air around a spinner and inside the npse ring, it should pump THROUGH the motor and carry heat from the windings.

I've seen a lot of high-caliber airplanes that use this technique, and it can look pretty good.
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Re: What's the difference in these motors?
« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2014, 05:30:58 PM »
Thanks guys for all the help!
Now if the wind will lay down  HB~> I could try some of the ideas.

And thanks Zuriel (aka Tech Support) for the phone call.
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