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Offline WhittleN

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ThunderPower Generation Six Batteries
« on: March 28, 2011, 12:17:47 PM »
Does anyone in stunt land have any experience with the new Generation Six (G6), 65C batteries?  600 cycle life expectancy and 12C charge rate sounds kind of exciting.

Norm Whittle

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Re: ThunderPower Generation Six Batteries
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2011, 03:12:30 PM »
Norm,
The G6 packs for the 4S1P 5300 mah vs a pro - lite @ 5000 mah is about 3.9 oz heavier. Cost wise it is $259.99 for the G6 vs. $149.99 for the pro lite. For Stunt the pro lite at 20C more than covers our need, and 4C charge rate exceeds my power supply which can deliver 10 amps. I normally charge at 3 or 5 amps depending on the pack size. I think  for some racing events it would be a good choice but for Stunt it seems a little bit more than is needed.

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Re: ThunderPower Generation Six Batteries
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2011, 03:49:36 PM »
would be good to be able to fly off 2 packs a day tho - 12C charge rate - you could be "fueled up" again in around 5-10 minutes!!!!!  - that is of course if you could find a charger to provide that sort of output.........

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Re: ThunderPower Generation Six Batteries
« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2011, 12:13:25 AM »
would be good to be able to fly off 2 packs a day tho - 12C charge rate - you could be "fueled up" again in around 5-10 minutes!!!!!  - that is of course if you could find a charger to provide that sort of output.........


Igor's model at the 2008 world champs used a 6-cell A123 pack and he was charging it at 10 amps with his FMA charger. An 18 minute charge was all he needed, and he only used 1 pack. He still does! Igor can correct me, but I think that he had over 600 flights out of the pack. The new lithium technologies are getting better by the day, and a 5C charge rate is already there with many Lipos like the TP and Hyperion batteries. Exciting stuff!

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Re: ThunderPower Generation Six Batteries
« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2011, 07:09:35 AM »
Thanks guys
Well it is true the G6 pack weighs more.  I presently use the G4 5S2600 20C Thunderpower batteries, with connector they weigh 10.5 oz. the G6 5S2700 65C weigh 12.85 oz w/connector for a delta of 2.35 oz.  On a 60oz stunter the weight of the battery would need to be shift 1.1875” rearward to maintain the same CG vs. the lighter 2600mah battery.   The G6 battery is 5” long vs. 4.5” for the G4 this could complicate moving the battery rearward.  I originally flew my Sultan-e with 5S3300mah batteries at 13.8 oz for the battery with no detrimental effect on the performance of the airplane.  With the G4 battery the airplane weighs 60 oz with the G6 weight increases to 62.35 oz.  I think I can live with this flying weight.
 Price wise the two generations are close at $105 for the G4 5S 2600 and the G6 5S2700 = $117 (I paid $115).
I did consider following Igor’s lead and I bought some A123 cells.  I even contacted Igor about getting an AXI 2826/13 motor (optimized for 6 cell A123 batteries) Igor was ready to send when it hit me 15.5oz for batteries is kind of heavy.  By the way, if you buy a DeWalt 28VDC battery pack at $69 you get 8 A123 cells cheap.
I presently charge my 2600mah pack in 45 min at a 1C charge rate.  If I set the FMA Cellpro 10S to 3C (8.1a) charge rate, I can charge 2 batteries in 15-20 min.  Ain’t technology great?  We do need to keep Afghanistan under American control; after all the majority of the earth’s Lithium is there.

Update:  ThunderPower power is now shipping G6 45C batteries.  Less weight and cost that the above - man it’s a great time to be flying electric.
Norm
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Re: ThunderPower Generation Six Batteries
« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2011, 07:44:27 PM »
Norm,

It seems that in the above posts, there might be some mixing of Pro Lite 25C, Pro Power 65C, and Pro Performance 45C batteries.

I just bought 3 TP G6 5S 2700mah 25C Pro Lite batteries.  I have only received 1 and it weighed 298 grams.  10.5 ounces. Yes, they are listed of having 600 cycles.  y1  I know some have been using the G4 Pro Lite 20C 2600mah batteries with great success and the new G6 should give better performance with more cycles.
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Re: ThunderPower Generation Six Batteries
« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2011, 11:40:02 PM »
Igor's model at the 2008 world champs used a 6-cell A123 pack and he was charging it at 10 amps with his FMA charger. An 18 minute charge was all he needed, and he only used 1 pack. He still does! Igor can correct me, but I think that he had over 600 flights out of the pack. The new lithium technologies are getting better by the day, and a 5C charge rate is already there with many Lipos like the TP and Hyperion batteries. Exciting stuff!

Keith R

Sorry Keith, I missed your post before ... Yes I charge it 10A, the most imprtent is, that the CV phase is very short, so the charging is timewise very eefective. I did 400 flights on one battery and then next year another 200 but I needed shorten flight time by 10seconds  ;D

Now I test new Lipos with 5 to 8 C charging (officialy allowed on pack). I also charge it by 10A, but the CV phase is very long, so I cut it at 1A, may be even earlier, so the charging time is the same, but I cannot use full capacity. I do not like to exchange batteries, because of trimming (diferent position, may be also weight), because of internal resistance etc. I just want all the same every flight.

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Re: ThunderPower Generation Six Batteries
« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2011, 03:29:33 AM »
I do not like to exchange batteries, because of trimming (diferent position, may be also weight), because of internal resistance etc. I just want all the same every flight.
DesirePower V6 5S 2600 25C,  approx. 46€, charging time 35 min at 1.54C/4amps.
Dimensions: 27 x 44 x 135 mm   +/- 1 mm
Batt 1: 331 Gr
Batt 2: 332 Gr
Batt 3: 330 Gr
Batt 4: 329 Gr
Batt 5: 334 Gr
rgds Peter G.
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Re: ThunderPower Generation Six Batteries
« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2011, 04:53:37 AM »
Peter, the problem, is, that if you change that charging current from 4A to 8A, you save only few minutes.. I think no more than 10, but A 123 will take really only half, becayse CV phase does not take more than 1 minute.

And regarding weight - yes the weight is with only small differencec, but if you cahnge battery, and if you move few milimters to the side, it will retrim the model. Well trimmed model can feel tip weight difference 0,5 to 1g, and if you move 350g only little bit, you will feel it. So my solution is not to change it  :)

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Re: ThunderPower Generation Six Batteries
« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2011, 07:28:48 AM »
Crist/Guys

Yes I mixed G4 & G6 I should have made separate paragraphs for each. 
 I now have 3ea G4, 20C, 5S2600mah packs at 10.5 oz and 3ea G6, 65C, 5s2700mah at 13oz.  Both Battery weights are with the connectors, Velcro - ready to go.  I have built in stops to place the two different weight batteries into the battery compartment.  This resulting balance shift, if any, is undetectable by me.  The airplane does seem to fly a little more “groovier” with the additional 2.5 oz.
 The G4, 20C, 5S2600mah batteries now have about 25 charge/discharge cycles on each battery and continue to work flawlessly.  The Charge/Balance time is right around 45 min at 2.6a (1C).
 The G6, 65C, 5s2700mah now have about 5 charge/discharge cycles on each battery and are charging and balancing in under 15min at 8.1a (3C).  I am very impressed so far.
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Re: ThunderPower Generation Six Batteries
« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2011, 08:08:30 AM »
Thank norm for the clarification.  I will report back on how the G6 Pro Lites are working for me.
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Re: ThunderPower Generation Six Batteries
« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2011, 04:57:12 PM »
     If I'm reading the replies correctly it sounds like your able to buy the new G6 batteries? I've been buying my TP battries from "Hobby-Lobby" and "Horizon" but at this time they don't seem to have any of the new batteries? I'm wondering where you are buying your batteries? I'm in need of a couple of 4S-4400mah. Eric
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Re: ThunderPower Generation Six Batteries
« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2011, 05:49:50 PM »
RCLipos or from Thunder Power directly.
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Re: ThunderPower Generation Six Batteries
« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2011, 10:36:33 AM »
Crist,
Is there any weight advantage to the G6 Pro Lites series over the G4' Pro Lites?

Best,          DennisT

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Re: ThunderPower Generation Six Batteries
« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2011, 03:57:29 PM »
Crist,
Is there any weight advantage to the G6 Pro Lites series over the G4' Pro Lites?

Best,          DennisT

Not according to the charts on the website.  Both were/are listed at 292 grams.  Again my battery weighted 298 grams.
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