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Offline PerttiMe

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The Timer Thread - or what is available, how do they do.
« on: October 26, 2009, 03:54:54 AM »
I see lots of timers mentioned but no one place where you could get an overview. The timer is, after all, the contol line specific item in an electric system.
Here's what I am aware of:

ZTron: a few different models, several sources

Hubin: different models, or are they all made to order?

JMP:

Kaz Minato: (or is it FMA?)

Igor Burger: where to get one, except from Hubin?

J-PAM from http://www.jpaeromodels.com/en/accesorios/05.php

E-Flite: simple and cheap


Is there more?
What do you have?
What is good about it?
What "could be even better"?
I built a Blue Pants as a kid. Wish I still had it. Might even learn to fly it.

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Re: The Timer Thread - or what is available, how do they do.
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2009, 04:06:47 AM »
Igor Burger: where to get one, except from Hubin?

I think you mean that old, which was programmable by power switch. I do not do and do not use it anymore.

Now I make new timer programmable by Jeti box - therefore it make sense only if you have Jeti box - for example if you use Jeti Spin.

http://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php?topic=12672.0

Offline Dennis Adamisin

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Re: The Timer Thread - or what is available, how do they do.
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2009, 07:45:30 AM »
Will Hubin offers about a 1/2 dozen timers with different standard features and options like a Remote Starting Switch.

He has timers that will work with ESC's that do or do not have BEC's.

He has timers that work well with governor equipped ESC's, and timers that work with non-governing simple ESC's.

There are also some customizable features like max flight time.

He builds to order and typically ships very quickly.

He also just happens to be a terrific guy to work with.
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Re: The Timer Thread - or what is available, how do they do.
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2009, 08:12:18 AM »
Hey Perrti!

I am not sure what exactly you are looking for, but you mention an overview, so here it is.

The timer functions as the "smart" throttle for the electric setup. It connects to the electronic speed control (ESC) just like the throttle channel on a rc receiver would. So it sets the throttle setting, and turns the motor on and off to set the time limits of the flight---just like the transmitter stick would.

Ok so that's the basic functionality.

The timers I have used, JMP-2, Ztron CLT3, Hubin FM3a support, these "essential" functions.

1) There is a run-up time. Once the setup is armed, there is an adjustable time which allows you to throttle the motor down to some value (I turn it off) while you walk out to pick up the handle. After the time delay (I set 20 seconds) the motor comes on to the first throttle setting.

2) Generally you are allowed two throttle settings--a starting setting and a final setting. Originally this was done because during the run the battery voltage drops, and if you kept the throttle the same, your rpm would drop too. On the JMP-2 and Ztron, the throttle will ramp linearly from the starting value to the final value, which can be made to roughly compensate for the voltage drop. I don't recall right now how the my specific Hubin timer does it, but I am sure he has a version which works in a similar manner.

I mention now that most of us do NOT use feature (2) because we are using the governor mode built into the ESC--and this will keep rpm constant during the flight, and also during maneuvering.

3) At or near the end of the flight, the timer gives out a couple of warning "blips" to signify that it is about finished. Some timers allow you to program it off, some don't.

Of the three I have all have performed excellently. They all have particular strengths and some weaknesses. I think I made a JMP-2-Ztron CLT-3 review post a couple of years ago. I think if you search for "CLT3" you will find it for the particulars.

Oh yes, of the three varieties I have, each one cost $30 +S&H. All are worth the money.

My own advice is that I would NOT get a timer that doesn't have feature 1. I think the $30 timers represent the minimal functionality that I want.

ps. The three also have a landing gear functionality--they will drive a servo which will retract the gear and extend it--if you have retractable gear of course!

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Re: The Timer Thread - or what is available, how do they do.
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2009, 09:21:34 AM »
I am not sure what exactly you are looking for, but you mention an overview,
Put it this way:
- I am not looking for anything specific.
- I mainly started this thread for finding out what is available and sharing people's views on what they prefer and why. Maybe even suggestions for how to improve the current offering.

(I will definitely not develop my own timers, or sell any.)

Looking good so far.
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Re: The Timer Thread - or what is available, how do they do.
« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2009, 11:44:46 AM »
This thread describes the Z-Tron timers.

http://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php?topic=14007.0

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Re: The Timer Thread - or what is available, how do they do.
« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2009, 08:12:29 AM »
I would like to add one more link to the list ...www.electricfreeflight.com ..they stocks Z-Tron's free flight and control line timers,  E-Flite C/L timer, and offers free shipping.


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