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Offline Bob Hudak

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Testing APC's new 12x6EP f2b prop
« on: April 18, 2013, 07:22:36 PM »
I've put up several flights with the 12x6 APC EP f2b prop(cut to 11.5x6) and so far the rpm setting has gone from 9030rpm on the old style 12x6(cut to 11.5x6)to 8520 rpm! Motor power out % went down to 69%, it was in the high 80's.Battery consumption went down as well. It was a very windy day(20+mph wind)therefore I was unable to nail the exact rpm my Legacy 40 likes. After I'm thru with my tests I will add my findings to the "List your setup" thread. I haven't made any changes to the ESC settings yet but only time will tell.
 Dennis thanks again for bringing this prop to market AP^.
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Offline Dennis Adamisin

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Re: Testing APC's new 12x6EP f2b prop
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2013, 08:08:54 PM »
Bob
THANK YOU for the report, I do not think I have heard anything else about these props since we got them in the middle of winter and not many folks were flying.

A windy day and make it rough to nail down your RPM's and battery usage usually goes down in the wind too - will be looking forward to your results, and to generating some results myself - sometime.  Unfortunately after last week's rain, today we had some SNOW!  And always the wind...
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Re: Testing APC's new 12x6EP f2b prop
« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2013, 07:50:32 PM »
Out trying a few props the other evening, including the new APC 12 x 6 EP F2B.  First couple of flights with the older style APC 12 x 6 EP.  9278 RPM produced a fairly consistent 5.3 second lap. Felt quite good, nice corner, although with some choppy wind, the overhead tension was adequate, but not great, especially in the Hourglass. 

Next three flights was with the new F2B prop.  I did not adjust the RPM for the first try.  Yikes, 4.8 second lap.  Right arm is now 2 inches longer than the left...  Slowed motor to 8844 for next flight (figure about 1/10 second per 100 RPM), which brought in around 5.2 second laps.  Like the older 12 x 6, the corner felt good, but with the wind gusting and variable, it did not feel strong overhead at all.

Next flight was with an APC 13 x 5.5 EP, running at 9278 RPM. Wow, the corners are still fine, but the overhead tension was "way" better! 12 x 6 EP and 12 x 6 EP F2B are back in the prop box.  Always fun trying new things looking for the miracle cure, but unfortunately, in my case a least, it does not appear the F2B prop is the answer.

Being Canadian though, and never wanting to start a fight, I would suggest others at least five the new prop a try, as it may very well work for them.   :). I will likely try it again, but in calmer conditions.

Offline Dennis Adamisin

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Re: Testing APC's new 12x6EP f2b prop
« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2013, 06:26:05 AM »
Great report Chris, thanks for sharing.

When i approached APC about re-introducing the thin blade props I thought it would help to give them a special identity versus the "normal" E props.  The F2B moniker seemed to fit the bill.  I am happy to learn from Bob's and your reports that the new 12x6EP-F2B performs more like the original thin blade 12x6EP.

A LOT of people set-up on the AXI 2826/12 760kv motor and the thin 12x6 running around 8500 RPM.  When the thicker 12x6 came out these folks were toast because the thicker prop reauired another 800 RPM that they did not have! The answer was to change to 5S or change to the /10 motor.

BTW the 13x5.5 is also one of "our" props, it just pre-dates the F2B marking. The new 13x4.5EP-F2B is somewhat lighter and flies at about the same RPM =/- 100 RPM.  You might give one of those a try also...
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Re: Testing APC's new 12x6EP f2b prop
« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2013, 05:28:37 PM »
Any chance of getting a 13-4.5 F2B prop that goes the other way?  Making the mold should be easy.
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Offline Dennis Adamisin

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Re: Testing APC's new 12x6EP f2b prop
« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2013, 09:04:27 PM »
Any chance of getting a 13-4.5 F2B prop that goes the other way?  Making the mold should be easy.

You mean a RH rotation?

Should be easy enough, APC needs a 200 pc order.  Anyone else interested?
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Re: Testing APC's new 12x6EP f2b prop
« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2013, 02:56:19 AM »
Any chance of getting a 13-4.5 F2B prop that goes the other way?  Making the mold should be easy.

Me running the 13 x 4.5 EP at approx. 10'000 RPM has occasionally led to a bit of prop noise in tight corners. When using the 13 x 5.5 EP at 9'500, this type of noise has gone away.
As the debate whether to use tractors or pushers with our current airplanes seems to be still open, I would appreciate to have access to a tractor version of the 13 x 5.5 E

kind regards, Peter
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Re: Testing APC's new 12x6EP f2b prop
« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2013, 05:21:04 PM »
I have been flying the APC F2b 12-6 ep for several months now... two airplanes - 30+ flights on each. 8700 rpm results in 5.4-5.5 second laps on 64 foot (eye to eye) lines. I am quite pleased with the prop's performance; however, I have switched back and forth between it and a CCW (normal rotation) 12-6e and have still not settled upon which one I like best. Both produce good pull overhead. I did have to re-pitch (both) a bit to match the airspeed I was making using the 12-6.5 wep. The new thinner blade, lighter prop does seem to turn better and use somewhat less energy than the heavier 6.5 wep.

I am also very interested in the results of Peter's experiment regarding trim changes resulting from his switch back to CW prop rotation.The changes I have seen switching between the two 12" props are very subtle and difficult to definitely assign to prop rotation. I use no rudder offset and no offset in my motor installation, but did build in 1 degree of positive incidence into the stab. It is almost always windy in Wichita Falls, TX, so I really cannot report on the way either works in calm air.   

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Re: Testing APC's new 12x6EP f2b prop
« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2013, 07:28:46 PM »
Just flew 4 flights today,winds 10 mph or less. 2 flights with the APCep f2b and 2 flights with the APCep. All data given here was taken with 5.25sec. laps during the wingover.
 The APCep f2b a@ 8670 rpm pulled 27 amps, 427 watts, 89% power output using 1908 mah from the battery.
 The APCep @ 9030 rpm pulled 29.3 amps, 424 watts, 97.4% power output using 2050 mah from the battery.
I gotta try this on a windy day to see if the f2b still has authority in the overhead 8. I find this hard to believe, usually nothing is free without a tradeoff. But I have a prop now that will use less battery on a calm day when power consumption is usually highest.
« Last Edit: April 22, 2013, 08:05:48 PM by Bob Hudak »
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Re: Testing APC's new 12x6EP f2b prop
« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2013, 10:50:30 AM »
Robert I have found that changing the rotation of the prop (same size and pitch) that is is necessary to move the leadouts back about 3 to 6 mm (1/8" to 1/4") on the normal rotation prop; move leadouts forward on reverse rotating prop. It also affects the lap time by .2 of a second (faster lap time) so you can reduce the revs to achieve the same lap speed with a reverse rotation prop. Reverse rotation gives better takeoff line tension as well as overhead tension for same lap time.  Oh yes some say you do not need a reverse rotation prop if you use a reverse bell crank.  I do use a reversed bell crank and still find it better to have the reverse rotation.  All the above findings are for a reversed bell crank (front leadout is up elevator).  These are general findings I have not used the 12X6EP f2b prop. Still testing thuogh.???
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