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Offline Larry Wong

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Power loss!
« on: April 14, 2013, 01:21:38 PM »
What should I look for ? today on my first flight I enter the wing over and loss power! saved it and the rest of that flight was ok. Zippy 20c 3000 4c  CC 60 ice lite Hubin timer.E-Flite 25 APC 12-6 EP  flew 4 more times and everything was great, but still wonder what happen on the first flight, any ideas?   HB~>
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Offline Robert Redmon

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Re: Power loss!
« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2013, 01:49:39 PM »
Larry,

I had the same thing happen to me a few days ago. I was just finishing a flight (just over the top finishing the clover leaf). I landed safely and then carefully inspected and tested everything before flying again. I also checked the esc flight log, and nothing there suggested anything went wrong....but something did. Finally, I came across a post on this forum suggesting that the IceLite series of esc's from Castle sometimes fault and shut down when the current limit shut down was set to "sensitive." I believe "sensitive" is 50 amps, and I know I never drew that much current (if the Castle log can be trusted).

I lost a motor and esc last summer due to lines hooking the grass on takeoff and subsequent attempt at lawn mowing by the E25 and 12/6.5wep. Wanting to avoid another costly episode, I changed the over current setting from Normal to "sensitive." I had flown MANY flights after setting it to sensitive, without incident, so I was reluctant to accept that as the cause of my intermittent fault. Anyway, unable to find anything wrong, I crossed my fingers, I reset the esc to "Normal" sensitivity, and all has been well since (about 30 flights now). If you exhaust all other possibilities (broken wire, bad battery pack, bad connector, etc.) you might want to consider this.

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Re: Power loss!
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2013, 02:04:01 PM »
Thanks Robert I did the same thing on checking the settings and log nothing,all connections check out with meter for broken connections and found nothing. will check battery cell count next.... n~
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Re: Power loss!
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2013, 02:07:42 PM »
Hi Larry,

More details about your settings would be helpful.

One thing comes to mind, do you have the Auto-Lipo Volts/Cell set above 3.2 volts? If this is set too high you may save your battery at the expense of losing your plane. I assume you are using the Governor mode and if the ESC thinks your battery is too low, it will go into reduced power to allow you to land safely and shut down. This assumes that you are flying a helicopter and do not want to suddenly drop from the sky.The extra demand of the wing-over could trigger the reduced power. I my earlier E-control line days I once set the cutoff at 3.5 volts and had the pleasure of trying to stay aloft with reduced power until the timer finally ended the flight.  HB~>  HB~>  HB~>

The problem with my idea is that, if the above is what happened, why didn't it happen repeatedly on other wing-overs etc.?
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Re: Power loss!
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2013, 02:22:12 PM »
John:
 That's what I was bothered by , This setup on this plane has about 75- 80 flights on it with not a mishap
and after that burp, I finish the flight with no mishap, and 4 more!  but don't like the feeling that what happen. HB~> HB~>
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Re: Power loss!
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2013, 03:00:18 PM »
I know Hubin timers appears to be the timer of choice but it seem to me that the KR timer is a better choice.  It has built in prop strike protection and will operate a dumb (cheep) speed controller.  It also will work with an expensive controller with the ESC rpm set mode turned off.  With this setup you will still have data logging.  Seems like a much better (safer) setup.  I also like the fact that it is field programable without a computer.  I am a new commer to electric stunt so I may be missing something here but so far I love my KR timer driving a $30 speed controller.

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Re: Power loss!
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2013, 04:45:26 PM »
Look for an accidental short with the timer.  

I might be wrong but the last time we flew together and solved the mystery of your motor vibration I noticed that your timer was not mounted to anything.  You did have it wrapped in some sort of padding that also insulated.  

Having had first hand experience with the motor stopping in the wingover and ultimately tracing the problem to component ends on the back side of the timer board briefly touching a piece of carbon I suspect the same kind of thing might have happened to you.
« Last Edit: April 14, 2013, 05:15:23 PM by ptg »
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Re: Power loss!
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2013, 05:14:09 PM »
Thanks Phil.  I will check the timer.  n~ n~ Mike & I got in 4 flights in at NAS with no problems, it was nice #^
Larry

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