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Offline Motorman

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System for Thunder Gazer
« on: August 17, 2015, 02:36:32 PM »
Is anyone flying an electric Thunder Gazer, what did you put on it? 630 Sq. In. wing.

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Re: System for Thunder Gazer
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2015, 02:55:27 PM »
What is your expected weight and line length?  E-Flite 32 or Cobra 3520 14 would be a good starting point.  The next motor size down is similar to those on the Crist Rigotti over heating thread, with a smaller plane.  But, no, I am not flying one so may not have the answer that you are looking for.
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Re: System for Thunder Gazer
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2015, 04:44:08 PM »
Fred, your answers are always good.

I was going to try and keep it about 60 oz. so I have the option of .015" lines but will probably end up with .018" wire 65' center to center.

I guess much the same system as the TP we discussed but it's smaller with a thinner wing so maybe a smaller battery could be used?

I use an Eflite 15 and 4s2500 on a 50oz plane with 565 sq in at 65' so, I was looking at the next motor up the line Eflite 25. The main difference I can see is the 25 has 870kv and the 32 has 770kv. Does that mean the Eflite 25 would have less torque and need to run at higher rpm, more current, is this why they get hot?

The Eflite 32 is only .3 oz heavier and 5mm bigger OD so might be a winner.


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Re: System for Thunder Gazer
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2015, 05:15:49 PM »
The main difference I can see is the 25 has 870kv and the 32 has 770kv. Does that mean the Eflite 25 would have less torque and need to run at higher rpm, more current, is this why they get hot?

The way you're thinking about it does not take into consideration that you're going to stick a prop on it that's right for your airframe, and set the ESC and timer up so that it turns at the speed that's right for the prop.  At that point the 25 will consume as much current and voltage as it needs to do the job, as will the 32.  The 25 will need less voltage and more current, yes, but that's not necessarily a good reflection of "why it gets hot".

It's more that the Eflight 25 is just a smaller motor with a smaller power rating.  So with both motors providing the same power to the prop, the 25 will (probably) be a bit less efficient, thereby generating more heat, and it's smaller, so it'll be less able to dissipate the heat that it does generate.

A really good, quick & dirty way to check to see if your motor will work for control line stunt (I think this came from Dean -- I know I didn't cook it up) is to look at what it's rated for on a 3D airplane.  If it'll fly a 2-pound 3D airplane, it'll fly a 2-pound stunt ship.  Etc.  You're talking a hair less than 4 pounds, and the 25 is rated up to 3.5 pounds -- so you're pushing it with that motor.  The 32 is rated for 4.5 pounds -- so that looks like the way to go.
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Re: System for Thunder Gazer
« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2015, 05:39:55 PM »
I prefer Cobra motors to E Flite, 3 bearings vs 2.  The Cobra Does well on 6 cells as well, spinning perhaps a flatter pitch for a more constant speed.  Probably ok for the E Flite with 770 vs 700 kv, but there are enough rpms on 6 cells and 700 kv with plenty of headroom for gain, and 3 bearings :)

Yes, you can prop it for 5 cells, but having done both, I prefer 6.  I learned from the PNW electric group.

The EF 25 is similar to the Cobra 28 series, and again, the overheating thread, which goes along with Tim's comments.  If you look at Crist's current information on the 3515, it seems to work but you are going a bit larger plane and longer lines.

Can you put it in the air at 60 oz?  I ask not knowing the usual weight range of that plane, not a reflection of your skills.
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Re: System for Thunder Gazer
« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2015, 06:29:58 PM »
Use a Cobra!
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Re: System for Thunder Gazer
« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2015, 08:34:51 PM »
Here's what a customer of mine uses in his TG.

RSM Black Tiger 4240C - 760 kv, ZTW 70 amp ESC, KR Governor, 2600 mAh 5 cell lipo, APC 13x4 EP prop. Since he is the current Nordic Champion I think we can see that the package works fine.

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Re: System for Thunder Gazer
« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2015, 09:49:41 PM »
Thanks Eric, do you know about what a Thunder Gazer would weigh all up?


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Re: System for Thunder Gazer
« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2015, 09:09:14 AM »
MM;

Hard to answer that questions as some folks build light while other build heavy.

The best way to answer it is to state that I base my power requirements upon the overall weight of the model. Since the Black Tiger motor I mentioned develops 950 watts with a 5S battery and APC 13X4 reverse pitch prop it can handle any model up to 96 oz (150 watts of power per pound of model for competition level performance).

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Re: System for Thunder Gazer
« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2015, 02:10:27 PM »
Ok so, 64 oz = 4 Lbs x 150 = 600 watts. Cobra 3520/14 with 5 cell is 850 watts?

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