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Author Topic: Some interesting data on Electric Speed Controllers  (Read 986 times)

Alan Hahn

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Some interesting data on Electric Speed Controllers
« on: July 03, 2007, 06:42:20 PM »
Here is another lot for your amusement. If you have been following some of my posts on playing around with the Brodak electric Super Clown, you will know that I have been trying to see how light weight I can get the battery down to. My theory was that it would be more efficient to turn a larger higher pitch prop (10-6 to 10-7) slower than the smaller low pitch prop (9-4 for example). I think I am basically correct, but I am not convinced that I have a better flying plane than the original setup. I need to reinstall the original setup and fly the SC again just to see how it performs.

Anyway during my trials I begin to think I understood how the ESC worked. As I now mind out, I was completely wrong. First, I should note that the battery current you measure  (in my case with an Eagle Tree Data logger) isn't necessarily the motor current. It is for wide open throttle, but at reduced throttle, the ESC really does a marvelous job of basically converting the high voltage low current from the battery to a lower voltage higher current in the motor.

In the following plot (two flights flown right after one another), you can see how my Super Clown behaves with a 2 cell 2500maHr Lipo and then in the second flight with a 3 cell 2100maHr battery. The motor in both cases was the Brodak Stock motor, the ESC was a Castle Creation 35A Phoenix running in Governor mode. The timer was the JMP-2. The prop was a ACP 10-7 thin electric. The dark purple trace is the battery current, the lighter violet was the rpm (started at ~8500 rpm). The most obvious thing is that the initial current (level flight is ~27 A for the 2 cell case, but only 19A for the 3 cell flight.) This is pretty close to the 2/3 ratio of the cell count.  The 2 cell flight drained the battey by about 2200maHr, the 3 cell flight about 1700 maHr. I should say that the 2 cell battery couldn't sustain the 8500 rpm through the entire flight (and so isn't adequate for this prop and setup).

When I look at the power, I find that the ESC with the 3 cells (at reduced throttle) is about 95% the efficiency of the 2 cell battery (which is running near wide open throttle at the beginning. I think this is pretty amazing and good news to me at least!

Alan

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Re: Some interesting data on Electric Speed Controllers
« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2007, 02:50:30 AM »
You are right, on 3 cell battery you have thinner "power" impulses and wider gaps, while on 2 cell battery you have wider impulses and thinner gaps on PWM cycle. It all means that with 3 cell battery yuo have little higher loses on winding resistance as those loses are I^2 * R ... means shorter stronger peaks has little higher loses even if average current is the same.

All toger means that for our use we heve to find motor which has rather smaller loses in winding then in iron, or by other word small internal resistance. It will allow more efficien overloading in impulses and also in current peaks uphill. Means it is far better to use for example MEGA motor (low resistance) than MVVS motor (low iron loses) of the same weight.

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Re: Some interesting data on Electric Speed Controllers
« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2007, 10:28:21 AM »
Igor,
I don't think that is quite right since the motor inductance averages out the current. I think in both cases the motor current is about the same since the prop rpm and load is identical (at least at the beginning of the flight).

This was a major advance of the higher frequency ESC's as compared to the older ones which worked at 50Hz (rc receiver frame rate). These were so slow that the motor really did react (accelerate and decelerate) to the higher current pulses (max width =20ms) . My old ESC (built into a Futaba receiver from 1991) actually "growled" at low throttle. These weren't so efficient as the higher frequency ones.

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Re: Some interesting data on Electric Speed Controllers
« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2007, 02:13:52 PM »
Yes, it definitelly does, but its effect is limited, because BLDC motor does not work the same way like a DC. The biggest difference is, that while the DC motor and its inductance which "keeps" current running via recuperation diode has only small voltage trying to stop that current (0,7V of diode voltage + current * internal resistance), the BLDC motor and its ESC must push the current back to the battery (or better to those big Low ESR condensators connected paralel to the battery). it means instead of diode 0,7V in open direction, we have voltage of battery which is ~20x higher and it can stop the current very quickly. Producers try to make slef inductance of motor winding minimal, it is necessary for stabilty of run. Higher inductance need higher timing and that higher timing oftently leads to errors in commutations especially if the rotor has to accelerate (loss of sychronosation or even complete disability to spin-up with some software or versions ).

But in any case I agree, loses would be far higher without inductance.


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