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Offline Dennis Toth

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Smoothy project - motor & battery
« on: November 05, 2009, 09:11:31 PM »
Guys,

Am starting a Smoothie conversion and am looking at some to the setups to try to get a setup under 12oz. I want to use the TP Pro Lite 4S1P 2600 battery @ 8.3oz(I would love to use the Pro Lite 4S1P 2100mah @ 6.77oz but I think is will be to tight on capacity), looking at motor choice the Rim Fire 25 (42-40-1000) at 4.4oz, the Turnigy TR 42-40B 900 at 4.55oz seem to fit. Has anyone used either of them? Will they hold up?

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Re: Smoothy project - motor & battery
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2009, 08:42:46 AM »
I haven't looked carefully at the specs, but if the 1000 and 900 in the name refer to kV's then they are a little on the high side for 4s--especially the 1000 kV.

As you probably know, I routinely fly my Nobler and Vector on 4s2100mAH packs (FMA in this case).

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Re: Smoothy project - motor & battery
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2009, 11:42:33 AM »
Dennis

760 KV is a real nice area for a 4 cell in a smoothie. Several of us around here power them with 2826/12 axi's on 4 cells. We turn 8300 rpm with an apc 12X6EP and get 5.3 sec laps on 63 ft eye to eye lines. Line tension everywhere. No windup issues. We see about 1800 mah usage. I was going to move to a 2200 mah pack but do not think I'll get the plane to balance with it. I'll find out Monday. I fly with a 3000 mah turnigy lightmax pack with it up close to the motor. with a 3700 or 4000 mah pack we slide them back over the wing. You do not need this heavy a motor though to fly a smoothie. You can go to a smaller motor with about this KV range and get the power you need, and adjust with battery to the cg you like.  I can post to you next week on how it balances with the 2200 mah lightmax 4s.

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Re: Smoothie project - motor & battery
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2009, 11:46:31 AM »
Guys,

Looking at other motor choices I think the AXI 2814/20 (840kV) @ 3.75oz on the 4S1P 2100 TP Pro lite V2 (6.7oz) might be a good candidate, thinking a 10 1/2 x6 prop say 8500 rpm?

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Re: Smoothy project - motor & battery
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2009, 01:50:01 PM »
I'm afraid you will come out tail heavy. You can always add more battery if you are.

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Re: Smoothie project - motor & battery
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2009, 02:01:43 PM »
Guys,

Looking at other motor choices I think the AXI 2814/20 (840kV) @ 3.75oz on the 4S1P 2100 TP Pro lite V2 (6.7oz) might be a good candidate, thinking a 10 1/2 x6 prop say 8500 rpm?

Best,              DennisT

Or Scorpion 3014-830. I would make it to let me slide the battery as far forward as possible. I guess your particular version is prone to tailheaviness, but I would have thought that since the original was built to handle a muffler-less Fox35 and an empty 4oz tank, your weights would be fine.

But I haven't flown a Smoothie (any version) at all.

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Re: Smoothy project - motor & battery
« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2009, 09:32:32 PM »
Hi All,
I hate to be contrary, but a Kv of 900 for a 4S setup should be just fine.
That's what I've been running all along ... It's probably necessary for me to note that I prefer a setup with lots of voltage headroom for the needed power spikes.

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Re: Smoothy project - motor & battery
« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2009, 08:21:55 AM »
I agree wtih Dean.  If you are going with the 4.5 pitch prop and a 4S set up then a KV od 1000 would work too.
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Re: Smoothy project - motor & battery
« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2009, 09:01:22 AM »
Guys,

Thanks for the input, I think I've made the commitment to the TP Pro Lite 4S1P 2100mah pack ($65 at Atlanta Hobby) and will now select the motor, I do want to keep the power package as light as practical the AXI 2814/20 @ 840kV and 3 3/4oz seems like a good match. I intend to use a top hatch for the battery and bottom hatch for the motor and electronics to allow moving the weight around to hit the balance. I plan to start with an 11 x 6 pusher and hope to get the static amps below 20. Would target 5.0 lap time on 60' eye to eye. rpm around 8500.

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Re: Smoothy project - motor & battery
« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2009, 09:22:00 AM »
Dennis, I think you are going to overload that motor, it is rated to 1/2 of the 2826 and it is good size for 12x6 half the power will need prop 10x6 ... it will be better to use 2820/14 ... but I think you will end up at APC11x5.5 and it will need up to 10 000rpm and it will need 2820/12 ... just by eye :-)

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Re: Smoothy project - motor & battery
« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2009, 09:45:17 PM »
DennisA, Andreas & JohnW

Well it seems like the light motor may not be the wise choice here and the Turnigy TR 42-40B 900 at 4.55oz (500W rating) may be the way to go. Looking at the setup list you guys have use the Turnigy motors how are they holding up?

Best,           DennisT

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Re: Smoothy project - motor & battery
« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2009, 04:38:39 PM »
I have two of them with about 40 flights on one and 9 on the second and they are both fine, except for the connector problem (see "Turnigy alert" thread). So far there has been no connector problem with the low-time one.

Turnigy motors are smooth running and seem to pull fine. A good bargain for the price, especially from Hobby King.

I've never flown a high-buck motor, so I might change my tune if I had the experience. All of the motors I've used, Rimfire, Turnigy and E-flite have been smooth and in-balance to the degree that prop vibration is a bigger component of the overall buzz than the bare motor vibration.

So far, no issues with stress on the motor in hard maneuvers. I would note, that the motors I have all have two bearings at the prop shaft end -- opposite the stator end. If you turn the motor around and mount the prop on the stator end of the motor, you just have one bearing carrying the loads.

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