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Offline John Rist

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OS 3525-750
« on: September 18, 2011, 09:47:13 PM »
Well I have installed my newly acquired OS 3825-750 In my scale LA-5.  It is powered with a 4S lipo and a TURNIGY Plush 60amp Speed Controller. The question is what timing mode should I use low, middle or high?  The default was low.  In this mode the motor runs well but upon a rapid throttle change (especially high to low) the motor gets very unhappy and makes a really bad noise.  The first time it happened I thought the prop had come loose.  On middle timing the same thing happens but to a lesser extent.  On high timing the throttle responce seems to be OK but the motor makes a rather high pitched loud whine.  The noise doesn't bother me but is it going to destroy the motor. The OS 3825 is a 14 pole motor.

By the way to motor is generating really strong RPM and huge pulling power on a APC 14x8 EP prop.

Does anyone know what is going on.  I realize stunt doesn't have throttle problems but help would be appreciated.
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Re: OS 3525-750
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2011, 09:54:03 PM »
Hi John,
Actually, Stunt does have throttling: the governor is throttling constantly, and as quickly as the ESC settings command.
My first inclination is to tell you to use the most retarded timing. It sounds like that didn't work? It beats me: what is your running current when the ugly sounds happen?

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Re: OS 3525-750
« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2011, 12:16:41 AM »
Sounds like it is making the same noises mine made when I had the PWM rate set wrong.  ???
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Re: OS 3525-750
« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2011, 05:04:47 AM »
Russell,
So what was the PWM originally set to and what did you change it to? What ESC are you using and what did you set the timing to?

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Re: OS 3525-750
« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2011, 06:28:58 AM »
First of all, on my Arrowind I had the PWM rate set to 12hz (which worked well) and when I tried 16hz it had a horrible sound and blew the prop loose.
Then on my Plettenburg I had it the PWM rate set to 12hz (worked well) and when I tried 8hz, the same horrible sound and that too blew the prop loose.
I've worked out that the Arrowind can use 8hz and 12 hz (but not 16hz) and the Plettenburg can use 12hz and 16hz (but not 8hz).

I'm using an Ice 50 ESC and the timing on both motors is set to default "normal 5".
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Re: OS 3525-750
« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2011, 05:50:46 PM »
Well more testing and this is what I found out.  I set the Turnigy Plush 60 speed controller back to low timing.  This was the setting from the previous test that ran the motor the smoothest.  On a freshly charged 4S Li Po it tacked out at 9400 rpm with a 3" spinner and the APC 14x8 EP prop.  This is about what I expected from a 750 KV motor on a 4S battery.

As I stated earlier I have a RC style throttle controller operating the setup.  I can go from 0 RPM to full RPM by moving the throttle stick on my controller. (pictures are posted on the LA-5 thread on the scale board).  When moving the  throttle stick at a reasonable rate everything works great.  The motor RPMs track the stick and the motor sounds normale.  However when I change the stick abruptly the motor goes into what I would call a missfire mode. However it recovers and operates normally again.  Next test I ran I removed the 3" spinner.  The problem still existed but to a lesser extent.  I then ran the test with the prop removed.  The problem was now gone.  So it seems to me to be a rotational inertia/load problem.  If you change the output from the speed controller faster than the motor can respond it seems you get a timing mismatch between location of the magnets and the current flow in the winding.  I suspect this upsets the back EMF and funny things happen.

Anyway as it stand I really don't have a problem because in actual flight the throttle is never snatched back and forth as I did in the testing.  All scale flying is at a controlled fairly slow rate to simulate the real aircraft.

So having said the above any further thoughts?
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Re: OS 3525-750
« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2011, 08:11:39 PM »
Double check the balance of the prop and make sure it is centered on the prop shaft. APC supplies a set of prop shaft adapters with every electric prop for a tight centered fit. Also check the allen head prop adapter bolts. I use a drop of medium Locktite on the allen head bolts that hold the prop adapter on the motor.
 
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Re: OS 3525-750
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2011, 08:15:33 PM »
Hello John,
There should be a throttle response time or rate setting in the ESC setup menu. Set it to medium or slow, not fast. This will accomplish the same as throttling up smoothly, without forcing you to remember.
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Re: OS 3525-750
« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2011, 10:28:08 PM »
Double check the balance of the prop and make sure it is centered on the prop shaft. APC supplies a set of prop shaft adapters with every electric prop for a tight centered fit. Also check the allen head prop adapter bolts. I use a drop of medium Locktite on the allen head bolts that hold the prop adapter on the motor.
 

Prop is balanced and has the reducer ring installed. The OS motors use a collet prop adaptor.  Besided the rig runs smooth as silk.
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Re: OS 3525-750
« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2011, 10:55:01 PM »
Hello John,
There should be a throttle response time or rate setting in the ESC setup menu. Set it to medium or slow, not fast. This will accomplish the same as throttling up smoothly, without forcing you to remember.
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Tried the medium start up mode on the Turnigy Plush 60 speed controller.  Motor would not run right at all.  It just kinda putted along and never would come up to speed.  I tried the middle timing again and that seems to work the best.  I will put the tack on it tomorrow and see if the RPMs are OK.  I will also hook up my amp meter and see if their is a current difference between normal timing and middle timing.
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Re: OS 3525-750
« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2011, 03:10:32 PM »
Question,
What kind of spinner are you using and what adapter is attached to the backplate?
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Re: OS 3525-750
« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2011, 09:41:37 PM »
John
Have you tried a smaller prop?. The RC guys seem to be running 12 and 13 inch props. Timing is normally set to low. Haven't heard of any trouble similar to yours.
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I just looked at the OS spec's It appears a 14x8 is too much prop , note they quote 30-40 amps for normal operation.
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Re: OS 3525-750
« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2011, 10:18:43 PM »
John
Have you tried a smaller prop?. The RC guys seem to be running 12 and 13 inch props. Timing is normally set to low. Haven't heard of any trouble similar to yours.
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I just looked at the OS spec's It appears a 14x8 is too much prop , note they quote 30-40 amps for normal operation.
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Less prop may well be in order however I plan to give the 14x8 a test flight.  Rember this is scale and I fly at 1/2 throttle most of the time.  I am hoping that the extra prop will allow for high flight, loop, and wing over with authority at full throttle.  And like I said with normal throttle transition all is good. It is only when I move the throttle as fast as I physically can that the missfire accrues.
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Re: OS 3525-750
« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2011, 10:27:58 PM »
John
I understand you are flying with throttle. Most of my flying is done that way. However I have found some motors that act funny when over prop'd. While you probably won't over heat anything you might find that a smaller prop will repspone to you throttle input better, and still have enough power for scale maneuvers.

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Re: OS 3525-750
« Reply #14 on: September 22, 2011, 05:27:16 PM »
Well here is the latest.  I ran the motor with a freshly charged battery pack and the APC 12x8 EP.  In the middle timing mode it turned 9240 RPM and drew 36 amps.  It the low timing mode it turned 9240 RPM and drew 36 amps.  It seems to run smoother (less noise) on the low timing mode.  by the way calling out an 14x8 earlier in this thread was a brain fart (lets blame it on old age).  So I will test fly it on a 12x8 ep in the low timing mode.

As far as throttle responce goes it is great.  Normal throttle movement works perfectly.  As I told the doctor my knee hurts when I jump up and down.  He replied don't jump up and down!

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