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Re: REvolutions
« Reply #100 on: April 10, 2018, 09:55:51 AM »

Wing halves joining has started.
I want to say that I do not expect to have absolute success at the first try. All I want to achieve is to learn as much as possible from this.

First thig to do is to glue the cups for the take apart system in place. I am using the root mold plate to do that in conjunction with some aligning blocks.

Pictures say the rest of the story. The finish position alignment is within .003-.005in
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Re: REvolutions
« Reply #101 on: April 10, 2018, 10:42:30 AM »
Looking good Traian!
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« Reply #102 on: April 13, 2018, 06:31:02 AM »
I just closed the wing mold last night. I hope it will be good. I do have some expectations but what I do not expect is a perfect part. When I pullet ha part out of the bag I noticed that the foam grabbed and puled the outer layer of carbon below the parting line and this is a lost part. I am already anticipating the result and I considering changes in the layout.
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« Reply #103 on: April 13, 2018, 11:25:19 AM »
What's the ultimate goal with theses things, are you going to sell them or just make a few for the wow factor.
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Re: REvolutions
« Reply #104 on: April 13, 2018, 07:44:24 PM »
Long story short
Wing is ok but I have to work on layout techniques a little.
The weight is lower than expected and it tipped the scale at 127g that’s 4.5oz for this panel.
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« Reply #105 on: April 16, 2018, 08:45:31 AM »
I cannot say how excited I am with this last result. I have been hovering around that wing all weekend long. I have spots in the wing where the outer layer of carbon was dragged below the parting line and I have bad structure in the LE of the wing. I have added a piece of carbon on the outside to repair the area but this wing is just for testing.

Now for changes in techniques:
1: On the TE, I am returning to the flat unidirectional carbon.
2: In the flaps hinge area there are two pieces that form the corner. I will hinge the two pieces together to have better handling of the components nicer harder better strength corner.
3: I made a tool with 6 blades 3mm distance in between the blades to score cut the foam in the hard turning areas.
4: In the wing, I want to add a couple of foam ribs to stiffen the skin a little bit more.

So tonight, I am prepping the stuff and tomorrow I mold the wing and stab shells. This time around, the goal is to make a perfect laid wing and stab with no flaws and weights close to the lightest parts I have made to date.
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Re: REvolutions
« Reply #106 on: April 16, 2018, 09:10:49 AM »
When done I hope it flies as good as it looks.   Your workmanship is amazing!   y1   #^   H^^
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« Reply #107 on: April 17, 2018, 08:05:02 AM »
Thank you John

More prep tonight and tomorrow I have to go and put the stuff in the mold. Wish me luck. A friend of mine once said "I take luckover skill anytime".
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« Reply #108 on: April 18, 2018, 10:08:56 AM »
After discussions with some friends of mine, we came with some great ways to work out the remaining problems to deal with the issues that came up during the layout of the first part.
I had to adjust a few templates that cu the foam and carbon and I managed to cut prep all the stuff. Because of that, the prep took forever but I pushed through and ended up going to bed at 1pm.
I am finally ready go to the Moon now.  #^
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Re: REvolutions
« Reply #109 on: May 03, 2018, 07:07:06 AM »
 My Progress
Worked on wings and fuse nose.
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Re: REvolutions
« Reply #110 on: May 03, 2018, 07:11:26 AM »
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Fuse nose assembly
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« Reply #111 on: May 07, 2018, 07:12:00 AM »
The part got stuck in the mold due to release issues. I spent all weekend fixing the mold. I am returning back to the Wax PVA system. Someone will say I told you so, and he would be right. The thing is you can not assume that what works on a mold surface (material) will work on another one. No problem in admiring a screw up but it was beyond my control and knowledge. Some one said if it was easy everyone would do it.
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« Reply #112 on: May 07, 2018, 09:56:55 AM »
How do we know if it will work or not if we don't try it.   Glad you got it fixed.  Hope to see end result in the future. H^^
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Re: REvolutions
« Reply #113 on: May 07, 2018, 01:44:41 PM »
Looking good Traian.  What does the wing panel weigh?
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Re: REvolutions
« Reply #114 on: May 21, 2018, 08:37:30 PM »
Some updates
The new wing panel is 134g the horizontal piece is 33g the las nose that came out of the mold 57g.
I pulled out of the mold the first rear fuselage section. It got stuck in the mold because I rushed the polishing and waxing. I guess if you cant do it right the first time around you will find time to do thing again correctly  '' .
the good new is that it weights 213g untrimmed. With nose together I have a 270g fuselage. 9.5oz fuselage.
The tally so far for a model wings stab fuse is roughly 612g.  That is 21.6 oz for the model. in adition to that there will be the landing gear the control system motor spinner prop ESC timer tip weight. I am using a 215g motor 5S 2800 Prolite TP. I think I put that data somewhere in here.

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Re: REvolutions
« Reply #115 on: May 24, 2018, 11:32:23 AM »
I spent time making new foam plugs for the next fuselages.
Here are some things I would like to change in the next layout.
1 Carbon foam glass in the flat areas.
2 Carbon ribs laid in the mold from start.
3 CW30 Foam glass for vertical fin and rudder.
4 get rid of all ribs
5 Stringers alongside the fuselage for even better stiffness
6 Eliminate the scissors trim of material.

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« Reply #116 on: May 31, 2018, 06:02:02 AM »
It’s out of the mold tipping the scale at 200g
The whole fuse is 257g 250-255g after I cut the holes.
The whole airfarame (wings tail fuselage) is just under 21oz.
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Re: REvolutions
« Reply #117 on: June 21, 2018, 11:48:51 AM »
Due to lack of interest I will stop posting here. Just tired of being a TV anchor. Thanks for watching.

I have the first bird put together and in final assembly right now. The airframe (fuse wings tails hard-points gear struts) weighs 642g 22.64oz for a plane the size of a Strega. Total weight with heaviest motor battery setup 45oz. In adition to the 45oz zit needs a tail wheel spinner and props axles and wheels and control system parts. So final will be around 50oz.
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Re: REvolutions
« Reply #118 on: June 21, 2018, 03:55:54 PM »
Due to lack of interest I will stop posting here. Just tired of being a TV anchor. Thanks for watching.



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Looks like there is plenty of interest in your project.  I know that I follow your posts with interest.   

There just is not a lot for most to say, unless you just want a continual string of "wow", or "looks neat!" or "keep it up!"  It's so outside of the normal construction method box that there are very few that have anything productive to add to the discussion.  That doesn't mean that it isn't being viewed or appreciated.  Who else on this forum is doing full molded carbon construction besides you and Jose Modesto?  Looks like a very clever process to use to build an airplane.

So, please keep posting.  It is educational for us all.

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« Reply #119 on: June 21, 2018, 05:08:09 PM »
Indeed. Please keep the posting up. It's actually very helpful. I have 2 planes I plan on building electric. My 59" stuka and my imitation kit from Mike Griffin / RSM.
Reading through these gives great insight and ideas. A lot of us don't jump in because we may feel we have nothing to add to the conversation.

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Re: REvolutions
« Reply #120 on: June 21, 2018, 05:24:39 PM »
I'm watching! I just haven't seen the need to comment is all. Keep going, there's a lot of us watching with bated breath!
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« Reply #121 on: June 21, 2018, 09:25:22 PM »
Please don't stop posting.  We're watching with great interest and learning a lot.
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« Reply #122 on: June 22, 2018, 06:05:37 AM »
Some pictures for take apart in the horizontal and control system
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Re: REvolutions
« Reply #123 on: June 22, 2018, 08:07:40 AM »
Please forgive me if I missed this info earlier, but what are the red ball links you are using?

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« Reply #124 on: June 22, 2018, 08:33:58 AM »
Jim

They are close to a 4-40 size screw. Very smooth with no bind whatsoever, unlike the plastic type which can have a little bind in them. They are sold as pairs with LH and RH threads. I have made my own rod ends.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/20pcs-Aluminum-M3-Link-Rod-End-Ball-Joint-CW-CCW-for-1-10-RC-Car-Crawler-Buggy/262241396196?epid=1254466092&hash=item3d0ece25e4:g:IfwAAOSwoydWmJ1o

The rods I use are 6mm OD 5mm ID, and you can get them from here https://alofthobbies.com/carbon-fiber-tubes.html

To me the ball links are a little on the heavy side but they have an absolutely free movement (no bind), and are made out of aluminium anodized with steel ball and will likely never wear out.
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« Reply #125 on: June 22, 2018, 05:54:58 PM »
Is there enough metal up in there to tap them 4-40 or are they threaded all the way up?

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« Reply #126 on: June 22, 2018, 05:59:22 PM »
Your workmanship is amazing, can't wait to see the finished product.

Thanks for sharing this journey with us.

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« Reply #127 on: June 22, 2018, 10:34:26 PM »
Would love to see a photo of the final ship!   #^
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« Reply #128 on: June 22, 2018, 10:49:30 PM »
The assembly went very much trouble free. All parts fit like a glove.
I have to do some final glue joints and I am off to bolting in the hardware and put the electric system in place.

I will put a final picture. Right now I am not worried about painting at all. I want to see how is the CG and judge the performance.

I will add some pictures when done.

There will be a bit of testing.
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« Reply #129 on: June 23, 2018, 09:55:01 AM »
I am still awaiting the flight reports. H^^
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« Reply #130 on: June 23, 2018, 08:54:56 PM »
Hey, take a picture of it before you fly it LOL. :D
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« Reply #131 on: June 25, 2018, 09:17:30 AM »
Here you go
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Re: REvolutions
« Reply #132 on: June 25, 2018, 09:57:04 AM »
Very nice.  It looks just like the CAD drawings!!  Harder to do than people think.  What was the layup for the wings?
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« Reply #133 on: June 25, 2018, 01:25:03 PM »
Jim the wing layout is Carbon bias 45 degrees, 1.5mm foam, and .75 fiberglss 0-90 orientation. The weight of a wing skin section 100sq in is 11.5g. 
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Re: REvolutions
« Reply #134 on: June 25, 2018, 04:18:26 PM »
Is it just me or does that have a swept elevator hingeline?

While we're discussing hingelines - how were the control surfaces hinged?
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Re: REvolutions
« Reply #135 on: June 26, 2018, 06:22:14 AM »
Is it just me or does that have a swept elevator hingeline?

While we're discussing hingelines - how were the control surfaces hinged?

Thanks
If you look in the first CAD pictures at the beginning of the thread you will notice the horizontal position. It sweeps back about 10 degrees total at hinge line and it also has a 5 degrees dihedral.
The hinge is made out of Kevlar over the full span. I insert the hinge when i close the two mold halves. You break it loose after you demold the part and work it out. As the resin inside the hinge line breaks down it gets looser and better.
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« Reply #136 on: July 05, 2018, 06:48:21 PM »
Looks like trhe Bees Knees , the Hight of technological / cutting edge . Hope you've some time on it , for the Nats .  H^^

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« Reply #137 on: July 09, 2018, 05:22:19 AM »
I just have 4 full flights on this bird and it is soo good is unbelievable. My buddy Mark characterized the flight characteristics as “astonishing”. I share in his opinion. It corners like mad tracks like on rails and I have not yet started to explore the edge yet. Is so easy to fly.
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« Reply #138 on: July 09, 2018, 07:58:32 AM »
That sounds great.  Now to impress the judges. LL~ LL~
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« Reply #139 on: July 09, 2018, 10:06:57 AM »
Great news.  I'm jealous!
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« Reply #140 on: July 09, 2018, 12:59:08 PM »
Make me one, name your price.


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« Reply #141 on: July 09, 2018, 06:18:17 PM »
I was waiting on the flight reviews before commenting.  That control system is a work of art.  Everything with unlimited adjustments all centered in one place that, with a little planning can be accessed through a hatch of some sort - genius.  When I saw you were coupling that with zero gap flaps and elevators I deduced that you would have a plane that would be so tame as to fly like it was being controlled by a computer.   I think you have done for control systems what electric engines have done for propulsion.

Only a handful of people will be able to duplicate what you have done but soon everybody will need one of these to to stay competitive.    This could lead to another run on the BOM rule and maybe even a ban on fully composite air-frames.   Let's hope not.

My hat is off to a truly superior effort.  Post a video someday.

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« Reply #142 on: July 09, 2018, 08:34:22 PM »
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maybe even a ban on fully composite air-frames

We could make them from Bamboo , Irish Linen and Banana Oil .
Would be about as inteligent , petty and backward , as baning Propellors .

Even if the Americas Cup things are one hit wonders , hardly last a season , the Composite F1 grand Prix Chassis are a bit more durable .
Maybe they could go back to timber chassis and wheels . With rear wheel brakes only . It could make it more intresting . S?P

C'mon !? the 22nd century's only 80 odd years away .

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« Reply #143 on: July 10, 2018, 11:19:12 AM »
Matt, can you imagine him doing your Folkerts with this type construction?   Hey I still look at the plans and details.. H^^
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« Reply #144 on: July 15, 2018, 08:30:34 AM »
I am done with the NATS
Finished 5th with 1032 total score. Best flight at NATS was 536 my personal best as a matter of fact. This was mabe #15 patterns on the model. And we oly managed a crude setup at best. Battery usage is about  1350-1405mAh.
Weight is 58oz now with heavier power components and heavier tail.
Because low power consumption the door is open for a 4S 2800 witch will instantly shave 4.1oz lighter tails will open the door to a 52oz model.
It is all I have for now.
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« Reply #145 on: July 15, 2018, 05:08:46 PM »
WOW! Way to!  Looks like a winner.   #^
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« Reply #146 on: July 16, 2018, 05:30:42 AM »
Finished model pictures
After the NATS I let my buddy Mark fly REvolutions and after 3 flights most of which where handle settings he put what in his words was the best flight of his life. I think I mentioned how good this is in the air and my characterization of it's flight envelope is easy to fly effortless rounds corners and tracking.
I have not have the chance to optimize the model to my flying stile liking due to lack of time. I have not even started to tap in it's potential and am very curious to see how much farther can I push this bird.  In a practice flight i tried to see what kind of corner is it capable of and had not enough handle to do it with. For future I want to find out what flaps elevator throws will give maximum corner. Then after I sort out the ground clearance I want to see what power packages are practical better etc.
Chris Rud will get his hands on it in the near future (next few days) and I am curious to see what trim changes he wants to do. We have a lot of work waiting ahead of us. We need trim evaluation and optimization we need more power plant optimization etc.

Nats funny stories:
Tuesday at appearance judging weigh in registration I walk in and get ready to pass the model to Gene Martine. When he sees the big bird he widens his footing to get better stands getting ready to receive the heavy beast. I pass it to him and he goes "holly shi..." he looks at me and his second question is "did you put the battery in?". I had a 6S 2800mAh in and i said "yes". Then his jaw dropped.
After Advanced was over Walter one of the judges cam to me and said "you flew the shi... out of that plane look at the scores".
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Re: REvolutions
« Reply #147 on: July 16, 2018, 09:29:36 AM »
Very nice color scheme.  Quite striking.
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« Reply #148 on: July 16, 2018, 09:41:58 AM »
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Congratulations with your accomplishment with your prototype REvolutions composite model and finishing 5th at the NATs.

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Offline John Rist

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Re: REvolutions
« Reply #149 on: July 16, 2018, 01:39:09 PM »
Dose anyone know what appearance points the REvolution received?   :)!
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