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Offline paul winter

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« on: January 07, 2013, 12:35:47 PM »
hi all

why do we have to use Apc electric  props on electric motors  ,why cant we use a normal 11x6 three bladed  flat back carbon prop ,the weight difference is minimal an apc is 26 grams and a 11x6 carbon is 27 grams

come on experts tell me why ??????
paul

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Re: props
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2013, 01:25:24 PM »
Paul,
I don't claim to be a expert but I have done a lot of work with props on both the ECL and IC power. The main reason to use the "E" prop is load. The standard props are two to three times the blade thickness compared to the "E" blade (this is APC or other brands) and the hub is also much thicker. This is done to take the cyclic pounding of the IC engine. The thin "E" props use 30%+ less amps to turn the same rpm on our electric motors. That's a lot of extra battery you would need to haul around and likely would need a larger motor also, all adding more weight. The APC's are very hard to beat even the wood electric props don't match it's performance/amp draw. APC puts a lot of engineering into its props, that why cutting them down usually reduces the performance.  This has been my experience, others may see it differently.

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« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2013, 02:22:53 PM »
Props!!!   Now ask  Paul Waker He uses a carbon 3 blade  Majic prop.
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Re: props
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2013, 02:59:36 PM »
Larry,
Who makes the Majic props? They don't come up in a goggle search, are they cottage industry? I agree there may be other props that are as good or even better than the APC's but they will be special not off the shelf. For off the shelf the thin APCE props are pretty good compared to any other off the shelf props electric or standard. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that other props are not an option just that of the normal available ones the thin APC's perform pretty darn good and have significantly less amp draw then standard props.

Best,       DennisT

Offline Robertc

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Re: props
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2013, 03:15:57 PM »
Majic makes Majic.  Eastern European.  Really nice stuff. 

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« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2013, 03:20:44 PM »
I noticed the other day that Aero Products carries them.
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« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2013, 03:42:27 PM »
I presume they are from Tomas Mejzlik, a combat flier from Brno: http://www.mejzlikmodellbau.com/
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Re: props
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2013, 05:29:18 PM »
Props!!!   Now ask  Paul Waker He uses a carbon 3 blade  Majic prop.

Is that a tractor or pusher prop??

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« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2013, 06:14:08 PM »
WOW they are beautiful props and I sure Paul has tried numerous props so they will work. For the local contest flier they might be a bit pricey at $40 but its an option.

Best,          DennisT

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« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2013, 07:52:37 PM »
Looks like a tractor to me ! n~
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Re: props
« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2013, 02:01:48 AM »
WOW they are beautiful props and I sure Paul has tried numerous props so they will work. For the local contest flier they might be a bit pricey at $40 but its an option.

Best,          DennisT

you mean this one? :- )))))

as far as I know they cost 40 EURO, not $  ... but I can say they last forever ... even on rocky bulgarian "grass" :-)))


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Re: props
« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2013, 06:11:50 AM »
Looks to me like you just glued 3 APC 11 x 5,5 e-prop blades together and then painted them with carbon textured paint! VD~
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Re: props
« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2013, 10:52:06 AM »
Looks like a tractor to me ! n~

Thanks Larry.  nice pic!

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Re: props
« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2013, 11:12:40 AM »
you mean this one? :- )))))

as far as I know they cost 40 EURO, not $  ... but I can say they last forever ... even on rocky bulgarian "grass" :-)))



Only after you've mastered the talent of always landing on the wheels, with the engine off.  I'm sad to say that I'm no there yet.
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« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2013, 01:31:22 AM »
Looks to me like you just glued 3 APC 11 x 5,5 e-prop blades together and then painted them with carbon textured paint! VD~

psssst ... it is a secret from my kitchen  VD~

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« Reply #15 on: January 09, 2013, 01:36:42 AM »
Only after you've mastered the talent of always landing on the wheels, with the engine off.  I'm sad to say that I'm no there yet.

3 blade prop is a protector for your canopy and turtle decks from sanding off on concrete  LL~

but this is electric column, so if you land unexpected, you have usually flame on instead of flame off, so broken prop is not the only damage in such case  ;D


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