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Offline Phil Krankowski

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Old, never flown Ringmaster Jr. conversion
« on: October 10, 2013, 01:30:20 PM »
So I have an old Ringmaster Jr. that is the last plane I built before we stopped doing CL as a family when I was in high school.  It has mounting holes for an unknown glow engine, but has never had an engine run on it.

The paint job is cool and reflects my teenage years.  Fireball nose. Black fuse.  Red and black wings with a giant spider on one.

I ordered a KR governor timer package from RSM.  It arrived today, so 48 hour turnaround!

I have a Turnigy G10 810kv motor and 50A BlueSeries speed control coming from Switzerland apparently. (per tracking)

I have on hand four 3S 1300 batteries for my 2 electric RC planes.

Not sure what prop to select, or what prop hub, or how best to mount this at this point.

So, is my system seeming reasonable?  Enough power for a Ringmaster Jr?  This is really my first real foray into electric CL.

Based on my RC conversion electric produces much more actual thrust compared to glow power. 

Pictures eventually.  I need to fix the cracked paint on the nose.  20 years in an attic takes a toll on dope finishes.

Phil

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Re: Old, never flown Ringmaster Jr. conversion
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2013, 04:28:00 PM »
The 810 rating of the G-10 seems a little low to run with a 3 cell setup and a KR timer.  At full charge you are looking at only 9K rpm.  The KR timer needs head room to control rpms.  Something in the 1000 to 1100 KV range would give max at 12K rpm or so.  This way you could set the KR for 9 to 10K.  Others may a better feel for what will work.  At the expense of losing nose over motor protection a simple timer may be a better fit a 3 cell 810 KV sport flying setup.  Turnigy recommends a  12 x6 prop.  A 12" prop may be a ground clearance problem.
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Offline Phil Krankowski

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Re: Old, never flown Ringmaster Jr. conversion
« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2013, 05:07:04 PM »
I have an e-flite timer somewhere around here, however I am not against going to a 4s battery.  The nose-over protection is really what I wanted.  I am not against a different motor.  I was planning the e-flight timer for a 1/2a size, but have had balance problems.

I have no idea where the landing gear are so I plan to make new. I have suitable wheels and music wire already.

How do I mount the motor in a profile?  I don't want to reinvent the wheel, but my thoughts are making a "motor box" that fits the profile motor mounts so the electric motor can be moved to adjust for CG as needed.

Phil

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Re: Old, never flown Ringmaster Jr. conversion
« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2013, 11:35:43 PM »
Hi Phil, John is quite correct about the kv rating. It's too low and the G10 is too big as well. The .15 size electric C/L is a bit of a hassle size and their are quite a few options if you check out the List My Setup sections. Some time ago, Will Moore wrote in Stunt News about using the weight of the motor and the kv to select one for C/L. I've been playing around with .15 size stunt trainers lately, and I find that you need a motor that weighs around 75 to 85 grams with a kv of 1100 ~ 1200. I modified a cheap Lanu P2B Trainer and used the E-Max/Arrowind 2220=05 motor with an APC 9 x 5 E-prop on a 3-cell 1300 mAh lipo. It flew quite well but only ran for a good 3.5 ~ 4 minutes, so it would need a slightly bigger battery for a longer run. Another way to go is with a slightly smaller higher kv motor with a smaller diameter prop, like a 7 x 6 or 8 x 4 turning higher rpms. You would then need a kv of around 1500. Dennis Adamisin did a lot of work on the Brodak systems and you can download the pdf file from their website that shows the motor, prop and esc to use for many sizes of model.

On the timer thing, a governor system is always a better way to fly.......even on a 1/2A! Losing rpm as the battery goes down and when you do a hard turn is pukey! This is why I developed my KR Governor timer. I did make timers that increased rpm over time to compensate for the volt drop and winding resistance problems, and even made one version that measured the voltage and added throttle. It was still pukey......like a real bad glow engine that runs away on the downhills and dies on the uphills.

One more thing, the 50 A esc is way too big. You need a maximum of around 20 to 25 amps. I could only find a small 30 A Hobbywing esc locally so I used that. It was still small and light and worked fine. Mounting the motor is easy.....just saw the whole nose off the model to get rid of those heavy engine mountings and ply doublers. You don't need them. Use some 1/16" ply with balsa and just make a new nose. I've added some pics of my modified Lanu trainer. Shout if you need any more help. Sounds like a nice project.

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Offline Phil Krankowski

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Re: Old, never flown Ringmaster Jr. conversion
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2013, 07:15:34 AM »


I don't have access to dope in colors, so I can't re-do the artwork; I don't want to just cut it off.  Since I was about 13 when I did this artwork I have some attachment to it.  Funny, crashing doesn't bother me nearly as much as cutting it away.

I can fix the loose paint with clear dope.  The color chips soften and lay down properly.  With a little clear underneath adhesion isn't a problem.  I have done it before on other old planes.

It sounds like I can reserve this motor/esc for a later project and go with something considerably cheaper in the 1500 kv range.  None of the motors I have here are big enough.

I found that file on Brodak's site.  If this works as I want I will be doing more electric CL.  Noisy fuel motors are "fun" as is messing with cantankerous machines, but I want to fly more than mess around.

Phil

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Re: Old, never flown Ringmaster Jr. conversion
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2013, 03:30:56 PM »
What type of lap time should a Jr. Ringmaster fly? 

50 ft spectra lines is my current plan.

Phil

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Re: Old, never flown Ringmaster Jr. conversion
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2013, 11:07:47 AM »
Fast enough to keep the lines tight, but yet slow enough you can control it.   I've been told 55 to 65 mph is about ideal for most stunt models.
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Re: Old, never flown Ringmaster Jr. conversion
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2013, 04:15:00 PM »
Fast enough to keep the lines tight, but yet slow enough you can control it.   I've been told 55 to 65 mph is about ideal for most stunt models.

so...3.5 sec per lap is 60 mph on 50 ft lines.

Hmm...

Phil

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Re: Old, never flown Ringmaster Jr. conversion
« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2013, 10:07:57 AM »
OK, I need landing gear.  Can someone please measure a Jr. Ringmaster and tell me the diameter and the long measurement?  (I can use the other measurements too, but I can also make good guesses)

Thank you

Phil

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