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Author Topic: OK, why won't my "storage" feature do the job on the first pass?  (Read 1252 times)

Offline Andrew Borgogna

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I tend to take more batteries than I need to the field when I go flying.  The benefits of having a four port battery charger, it's just as easy to charge four as one.  Both my chargers the single port and four port, have a storage feature and with some batteries it works great and with others it times out with the battery only down to 70%.  Since I don't like to store with more than 50% in the battery I have to run a second cycle to get it down.  This begs the question why?  The setup on the both chargers indicates the ability to set the discharge current rate, but neither will allow any change from the default setting.  What am I doing wrong?  ???
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Re: OK, why won't my "storage" feature do the job on the first pass?
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2012, 10:00:59 AM »
Most chargers have a time out feature.  If the time limit is reached before the job is done it tuns off.  Restarting the charger starts a new block of time.  So on larger packs it may take more time than the charger allows.  This is a safety feature so that if something goes wrong the charger will eventually turn off.

Why you can't change settings would vary with the brand of charger - so no way to help on that one.   D>K
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Re: OK, why won't my "storage" feature do the job on the first pass?
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2012, 11:18:23 AM »
You are probably trying to set the discharge rate to something greater than the charger will allow.  Just like you can't set the charge rate to a greater value than the charger will allow.  On my little Turnigy 50 watt chargers, the MAX discharge rate is only 5 watts, so for a 4 cell battery, something like 300 ma.  Not terribly useful.  In order to get batteries down to 50%, it is much easier for me to give them a partial run and then put them on 'Storage' mode charge.

Which charger do you have?  I THINK I can turn my 'time-out' feature off, but have never looked to be sure.  It would still take too long to run them down to 50%, so I just don't use that feature.
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Re: OK, why won't my "storage" feature do the job on the first pass?
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2012, 11:46:22 AM »
Hi Mike
The four port is a Hitec, but I have seen the same unit under several other names.  I am sure it came from China and can be branded to whoever whats to sell it.  I gave the single port to my son yesterday to use charging up a battery for the R/C plane I gave him.  I want him to take my granddaughter out and teach her to fly like I taught him when he was about five.  So I don't have the single port for the brand.  But outwardly its look and feel is exactly like the four port, I would bet my house the same company in China makes both.
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Re: OK, why won't my "storage" feature do the job on the first pass?
« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2012, 04:39:57 PM »
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Sky RC iMax chargers are the same as the Hitecs.  H^^

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Re: OK, why won't my "storage" feature do the job on the first pass?
« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2012, 07:26:13 AM »
What I don't get is the operation manual says the discharge rate is adjustable, but it cannot be changed from the default setting of .1 amps (100mha) which to me is really low.  If I am discharging a 3300mha battery I would like to discharge at a minimum of 1 amp hour rate at least until the charger detects it is nearing the end of the cycle. 
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Re: OK, why won't my "storage" feature do the job on the first pass?
« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2012, 08:19:47 AM »
What I don't get is the operation manual says the discharge rate is adjustable, but it cannot be changed from the default setting of .1 amps (100mha) which to me is really low.  If I am discharging a 3300mha battery I would like to discharge at a minimum of 1 amp hour rate at least until the charger detects it is nearing the end of the cycle.  
Andy

My cheep charger is about the same.  In the discharge mode you are dumping the current through a resister and generating heat. At 1 amp it would be 11 watts of heat for a 3 cell pack.  That takes more than you think to cool.  The 1 watt for the .1 amp is more like it.  The deal is that in the charge mode the charger is fairly efficient.  That 50 watts of energy that the charger dilevers is being absorbed by the battery to convert the chemicals in the battery to the high state (ie charged). Almost no energy is lost in charger and the charger heats very little.   In the discharge mode all the energy is converted to heat in the charger.  That is why in a cheep charger the discharge rate is always much - much less than the charge rate.  For this reason it is best to charge a dead pack to the storage level rather than trying to discharge a fully charged pack down to the storage level.  What I do is slap a charged pack in the airplane and run it for 3 minutes or so - then charge it to storage level.   Rig a tiedown for the aircraft and you don't even have to hold it.

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Re: OK, why won't my "storage" feature do the job on the first pass?
« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2012, 03:03:11 PM »
John
You are correct on all counts.  I didn't give thought to the obvious heat.  I think I am going to build a discharge device and put a timer on it.  I only need it for the big packs.  I too have used a plane to run the batteries down to a storage level but I it does put stress on the motor to use it in a static mode.  Anyway thanks for the information.
Andy
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Re: OK, why won't my "storage" feature do the job on the first pass?
« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2012, 07:09:21 PM »
Of course another obvious solution is to get a charger that will allow you to discharge your packs at 3-4 amps like I do with my iCharger.  There are a number of quality high performance chargers available today that will let us charge multiple packs at once.  I now charge 4 packs at a time. So in less than 2 hrs I have all six of my packs ready to go.  And before I charge them again I can discharge them all to 3.7 volts per cell and then start the charging process with the packs all very close to the same voltage.  It only takes 10 minutes to discharge all six of my packs to the same voltage  for parallel charging.  This is a much better way for me, instead of taking 6 hrs. to charge my packs.  Just my 2 cents.  :) 
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Re: OK, why won't my "storage" feature do the job on the first pass?
« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2012, 04:02:09 PM »
Dan
I too have a four pack charger and I too can charge six batteries in a couple of hours.  My problem is not with charging packs but discharging them.  I will look up your charger and see if it looks like mine.
Andy
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Re: OK, why won't my "storage" feature do the job on the first pass?
« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2012, 08:50:31 AM »
Don't batteries have a limit on how many times they can be charged and discharged? H^^
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Re: OK, why won't my "storage" feature do the job on the first pass?
« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2012, 10:59:32 AM »
Andy

I have the model 306B, but other less costly models like the 206B & 106B discharge packs easily. If you download their manuals, you can read how to set the discharge rate to make it easy to do what you are talking about.  I discharge my packs at either 1.5 or 2 amps depending on the size.  Only takes a few minutes.  Try it you'll like it. Check out the manual.

Dan
« Last Edit: July 07, 2012, 11:53:11 AM by Dan Bregar »
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Re: OK, why won't my "storage" feature do the job on the first pass?
« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2012, 03:31:26 PM »
Don't batteries have a limit on how many times they can be charged and discharged? H^^

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What really happens is the performance of the battery starts to degrade. On some batteries this may start to happen after 40 cycles. On other batteries it may not start to happen until 150 cycles. (Note: a cycle being one complete charge & discharge).  So if you buy premium batteries, they last longer. I get two full flying seasons from mine, which translates to approx. 50 cycles, which for me is about 150 flights per season.
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