Author Topic: New Electric Twin project back on track (Read 116522 times)

Bill Little · « **Reply #250 on:** July 10, 2012, 05:11:19 PM »

HI Brother Bob!

The refinished Crossfire does look awesome. And the Second Wind is coming along. I believe it will be very competitive once you work into it.

A thanks from us all for your tireless efforts to make this hobby/sport a better place. And good luck in Muncie!

Bill

Bob Hunt · « **Reply #251 on:** July 10, 2012, 06:34:47 PM »

Thanks, Bill!

James Mills · « **Reply #252 on:** July 10, 2012, 07:27:47 PM »

Bob,

The Crossfire looks very nice, looking forward to seeing it next week.

James

PJ Rowland · « **Reply #253 on:** July 11, 2012, 10:10:13 PM »

Bob - did you fix that tracking error with the rebuild?

Bob Hunt · « **Reply #254 on:** July 12, 2012, 09:17:02 AM »

Tracks like a freight train!

Bob

Randy Powell · « **Reply #255 on:** July 12, 2012, 02:47:12 PM »

Glad to hear it, Bob. The new Crossfire paint scheme is awesome. Have fun in Muncie!

PJ Rowland · « **Reply #256 on:** July 12, 2012, 05:57:58 PM »

Awesome....

Bob Hunt · « **Reply #257 on:** July 12, 2012, 06:32:49 PM »

Thanks, Guys! I'm very pleased with the re-build and re-finish, but I doubt that I'll ever attempt that again; it's actually easier to build a new ship! I just thought that this model deserved a better destiny than the one it almost had to live (die...?) with. It flies much better than it did before the refinish, so I guess it was worth it.

It's off to Muncie!

Later - Bob

Chris McMillin · « **Reply #258 on:** July 12, 2012, 09:42:19 PM »

That Crossfire looks awesome, Bob. I love that canopy shape, a bit like the original Hanson Tipo's.
Really neat, good luck at the Nats.
Chris...

PJ Rowland · « **Reply #259 on:** July 12, 2012, 11:17:58 PM »

Randy and I both went through total refinishes..... they are hell.

I wont do it again - and I've done 3 of them.... problem is you *think* it will be easier than it is.. despite doing it before..

Bob Hunt · « **Reply #260 on:** September 04, 2012, 08:03:21 AM »

I got a chance to work a bit on the Second Wind twin over the weekend. I installed the front retract gear unit and then adjusted the axle position to yield a 0-degree stance for thew ship as per Dean Pappas' suggestion. I personally would have given the ship about a 1/2 degree down in the nose stance, but Dean's logic prevailed.

I fit the lower chin block and opened the area required to allow the nose gear to retract and extend through it. The next step was to fit and sand the nose block. I used two pieces of wood here and tack glued them together and then tack glued the assembly to the front of the fuselage. I just now finished sanding and shaping the nose block, although I might do just a bit more sanding to give it an even "swoopier" look. The next step is to remove the nose block, split it apart and hollow it and make provisions for an air intake hole in it. It will then be permanently installed on the nose and the fitting of the molded top hatch can be tackled. After that, it's ready for finish!

Later - Bob

Crist Rigotti · « **Reply #261 on:** September 04, 2012, 08:27:37 AM »

Wow, that's coming along very nice.

john e. holliday · « **Reply #262 on:** September 04, 2012, 08:40:18 AM »

That is awesome. Start a new trend in electric and leave in in clear or primer.

Bill Little · « **Reply #263 on:** September 04, 2012, 08:46:29 AM »

It's really coming along Brother Bob! I can't wait to hear your flight reports!

Bill

John Cralley · « **Reply #264 on:** September 04, 2012, 01:54:24 PM »

Hi Bob,

I wonder if you are planning on counter-rotating, two pusher or two tractor props. If you are doing counter-rotation which is going to be which?

Thanks and OH yes it looks awesome so far!

Bob Hunt · « **Reply #265 on:** September 04, 2012, 02:08:08 PM »

Hi John:

Dean Pappas is working up a trim flow chart for this ship. We will try all permutations of prop direction possibilities. There are lots more things to think about with a twin than you might imagine. For instance, we will probably run the outboard motor just slightly faster than the inboard motor because at the point at which the outboard motor is mounted to the wing is traveling a greater distance than the point at which the inboard motor is mounted on the inside wing. There's more, and I'll cover that when we get to it...

Thanks to everyone for the kind words and encouragement!

Later - Bob Hunt

Wynn Robins · « **Reply #266 on:** September 04, 2012, 05:32:03 PM »

stunning work!!!

Derek Barry · « **Reply #267 on:** September 05, 2012, 04:45:53 AM »

Hurry up and finish it, I want to see that thing fly!!!

Looks awesome Bob.

Derek

Bob Hunt · « **Reply #268 on:** September 05, 2012, 06:37:20 AM »

Thanks Wynn and Derek!

Hopefully I will get all the woodwork done this weekend and have it in finish by next week. Not too sure about the trim scheme yet, but I'm going to work a bit with Sina Goudarzi to come up with something "special."

I'm thinking about offering a CD with all the construction photos that have been taken along the way on this project. There are lots and lots of them! Does anyone have any interest in this?

Later - Bob

Mike Ferguson · « **Reply #269 on:** September 05, 2012, 07:36:44 AM »

Quote from: Bob Hunt on September 05, 2012, 06:37:20 AM

I'm thinking about offering a CD with all the construction photos that have been taken along the way on this project. There are lots and lots of them! Does anyone have any interest in this?

Absolutely.

Bob Hunt · « **Reply #270 on:** September 05, 2012, 08:03:35 AM »

These would, of course be high res files, not the reduced resolution files that were posted online. Nominally the files would be 2 MB in size.

I'd have to get enough interest in this in order to put the photos in chronilogical order and then have them burned to CDs. I'm guessing that the price on such a CD would be $5.00, plus shipping.

I don't really see this project becoming a full fledged construction article, but I may make the plans available along with the photo CD. Those who might possibly have an interest in building this ship probably already know how to build a model...

Later - Bob

john e. holliday · « **Reply #271 on:** September 05, 2012, 08:42:30 AM »

Count the old DOC in on a CD.

Bill Little · « **Reply #272 on:** September 05, 2012, 10:20:16 AM »

Quote from: Bob Hunt on September 05, 2012, 08:03:35 AM

(snip)
I'd have to get enough interest in this in order to put the photos in chronilogical order and then have them burned to CDs. I'm guessing that the price on such a CD would be $5.00, plus shipping.
(snip)
Later - Bob

HI Bob,

I believe you can ship the CD mailer through USPS for less than $5 so a price of $10 shipped might be feasible?

I would be in for one!
Bill

Matt Colan · « **Reply #273 on:** September 05, 2012, 11:35:29 AM »

Simply Amazing Bob!!!! And count me in on a CD as well!

Bob Hunt · « **Reply #274 on:** September 09, 2012, 10:09:20 AM »

Did a bit of work on the twin this morning. The photos may not reveal all that was done, but I "popped" the nose block off, split the halves apart, hollowed them, gluded the halves back together and glued the assembly onto the front of the plane permanently. I also fit the to hatch and sanded the edges of the fuselage sides to match the hatch piece. I had to make a custom beveled piece at the front to allow the hatch to be removed. It was a tight fit, but it is fine. The next step is to install the hatch holdowns, and I'm off to do that now. By this evening (Sunday, September 9) I should be doping the fuselage in preparation to carbon the fuse. After that its fillets and finish!

I'm hoping to get this thing done in time to make a few test flights before the weather "closes in," but I will not rush it to conclusion' its coming along too well and there is too much work involved to get impatient now.

Later - Bob Hunt

RandySmith · « **Reply #275 on:** September 09, 2012, 10:40:34 AM »

Thats a really really nice piece of work, what size are the spinners?

Randy

Bob Hunt · « **Reply #276 on:** September 09, 2012, 10:50:08 AM »

Thanks, Randy! I feel that this may be my best work to date. I had the state of mind from the beginning of this project that I would not rush it and I would not work on it unless I was fully motivated to do so. It has taken a looooong time, but I think it just may be worth it.

The spinners are Tru-Turn 1 1/2 inch diameter, needle nose units. One has a tractor cut out in the cone and one has a pusher cut out. Looks like I will be using either 9,5 or 10 inch diameter props on it, although it has clearance to accept a full 11 inch prop.

The next big decision is what paint scheme to use... I'm working with Sina Goudarzi on this, and I think we will come up with an appropriate scheme. Twins are difficult to design trim schemes for, because the nacelles break up the long leading edge lines and limit the choices. I have great faith in Sina's ideas and abilities, however, and I'm sure he will help me to flesh out an idea that I have for the scheme. He did wonders with my Thunderbird 3000 scheme that is on the rebuilt and refinished Crossfire...

Phil Granderson has also suggested a scheme for the twin and it is stunning. It may take me a while to make up my mind on the paint...

Later - Bob

Howard Rush · « **Reply #277 on:** September 09, 2012, 07:53:40 PM »

Paint is not the only stunning scheme
Plotted by the Jive Combat Team.

Bob Hunt · « **Reply #278 on:** September 09, 2012, 07:59:38 PM »

The JCT is quite eclectic.
Even more so now that they've gone electric.
Paint and powder improves their image.
But it doesn't help in a glow vs electric scrimage.

Wynn Robins · « **Reply #279 on:** September 09, 2012, 08:22:01 PM »

just dont paint it red white and blue
any other colour combination will do

Bob Hunt · « **Reply #280 on:** September 09, 2012, 08:26:17 PM »

What's wrong with red, white, and blue? I'm a very patriotic kind of guy and those have become my new airplane colors. Everyone seemed to like the red, white, and blue on the Crossfire...

Hey, at least it won't be bronze...

Tim Wescott · « **Reply #281 on:** September 09, 2012, 08:34:16 PM »

Quote from: Bob Hunt on September 09, 2012, 08:26:17 PM

What's wrong with red, white, and blue? I'm a very patriotic kind of guy and those have become my new airplane colors. Everyone seemed to like the red, white, and blue on the Crossfire...

A white base with red and white trim look pretty good, too. Depending on how much of the white gets painted over with red and blue, you can pretty much make it as loud and intrusive, or as subtle, as you want.

Bob Hunt · « **Reply #282 on:** September 09, 2012, 08:50:21 PM »

Well, as a refresher, here's the Crossfire that I used at this year's Nats. I like it!

Crist Rigotti · « **Reply #283 on:** September 09, 2012, 08:59:16 PM »

Count me in for red, white, and blue!

Bob Hunt · « **Reply #284 on:** September 09, 2012, 09:06:26 PM »

Nice Crist!

It seems to me that now, more than ever before, we need to remember what the red, white, and blue stands for. I'm proud to have it on my plane. There may come a time when it is illegal to do this... Stranger things have happened recently...

Bob Hunt

James Mills · « **Reply #285 on:** September 09, 2012, 09:51:45 PM »

Quote from: Bob Hunt on September 09, 2012, 09:06:26 PM

Nice Crist!

It seems to me that now, more than ever before, we need to remember what the red, white, and blue stands for. I'm proud to have it on my plane. There may come a time when it is illegal to do this... Stranger things have happened recently...

Bob Hunt

Bob and Crist, ditto that on the Red, White and Blue. The new twin looks very cool.

James

Chris_Burgess · « **Reply #286 on:** September 10, 2012, 06:26:18 PM »

Add me to the Red White and Blue, crew too.

Wynn Robins · « **Reply #287 on:** September 10, 2012, 08:44:51 PM »

Quote from: Bob Hunt on September 09, 2012, 08:26:17 PM

What's wrong with red, white, and blue? I'm a very patriotic kind of guy and those have become my new airplane colors. Everyone seemed to like the red, white, and blue on the Crossfire...

Hey, at least it won't be bronze...

coz all you 'mericans use red white and blue........

our flag is red white and blue too - so are the flags of Australia, England,France, Russia, Netherlands, Serbia, Slovakia, Croatia, Iceland............it conts.

Wynn Robins · « **Reply #288 on:** September 10, 2012, 08:49:27 PM »

BTW- I like your bronze planes!!!!!!!!!

john e. holliday · « **Reply #289 on:** September 11, 2012, 08:38:21 AM »

Maybe we need to paint the wing up like the flag, with bars and stars. I know its been done before.

PerttiMe · « **Reply #290 on:** September 11, 2012, 01:31:28 PM »

hmmmm, I think a touch of yellow/gold, in addition to red, white, and blue, is a nice touch on Igor Burger's electric World Champion ship.

Bob Hunt · « **Reply #291 on:** September 11, 2012, 04:06:08 PM »

Actually, I think Igor's ship is just beautiful. Perhaps Sina and I can juice up the Red, white, and blue scheme with some other colors as well.

Bob Hunt

Bob Hunt · « **Reply #292 on:** September 11, 2012, 04:07:40 PM »

Quote from: Chris_Burgess on September 10, 2012, 06:26:18 PM

Add me to the Red White and Blue, crew too.

That's very nice, Chris. What plane is that at the right in the photo? Looks like either a Panther or a Cougar.

Bob Hunt

Darkstar1 · « **Reply #293 on:** September 11, 2012, 05:30:43 PM »

Quote from: Bob Hunt on September 11, 2012, 04:07:40 PM

That's very nice, Chris. What plane is that at the right in the photo? Looks like either a Panther or a Cougar.

Bob Hunt

Bob,
Take a closer look I don't know what It is either. But it looks like a twin boom job with the nose missing.

Bob Hunt · « **Reply #294 on:** September 11, 2012, 05:57:28 PM »

Aha! You are right Darrell. I think I know what plane that is! My guess is that it is a Jean Pailet Pegasus that was modified to have wing gear. Am I right Chris?

Bob Hunt

Tim Wescott · « **Reply #295 on:** September 11, 2012, 06:21:00 PM »

Quote from: john e. holliday on September 11, 2012, 08:38:21 AM

Maybe we need to paint the wing up like the flag, with bars and stars. I know its been done before.

Here's Bruce Hunt with a flag-ish scheme:

Taken at the Dick Scobee memorial contest: http://www.flyinglines.org/scobee.12.html

Howard Rush · « **Reply #296 on:** September 11, 2012, 09:05:33 PM »

That man was painting an airplane in my garage this very afternoon.

Chris_Burgess · « **Reply #297 on:** September 15, 2012, 02:35:34 PM »

Quote from: Bob Hunt on September 11, 2012, 04:07:40 PM

That's very nice, Chris. What plane is that at the right in the photo? Looks like either a Panther or a Cougar.

Bob Hunt

That right there is a Pegasus, with the nose missing... which was a rather unfortunate incident, but it has retracts in it...

Will Hinton · « **Reply #298 on:** September 15, 2012, 03:46:41 PM »

Red, white and blue is a definite choice for me, especially, as you said Bob, during this time in our lives. Count me in for a CD and likely for a twin sometime after my next bipe!

James Mills · « **Reply #299 on:** September 15, 2012, 05:02:07 PM »

Bob,

Count me in for a CD as well.

James